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[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Why is it that when a fight happens in Hockey, everyone cheers. But if there is a fight in Basketball, we need to end someone's season?

Because it's basketball and not hockey?

The suspensions were a frigging joke. Gates is a piece of who should never play D-1 college basketball again.

 

[OttoMets]

Why is it that when a fight happens in Hockey, everyone cheers. But if there is a fight in Basketball, we need to end someone's season?

I don't know, but you can bet that if one hockey player knocked an opponent down with a punch and then the player's teammate came over and stomped on the opponent's face, people would be outraged.

As Dick said, if Gates and #13 had behaved that way on the street, they'd be looking at a gang assault charge and a lengthy state prison sentence. That was a serious incident. And it's a shame that the officials who allowed it to occur are going to see no punishment.

I can't say any of this surprises me, though. After Donna Shalala let those punks skate when they stomped (with cleats) and used a helmet as a weapon in that 2006 Miami/Florida International brawl, I've been of the opinion that these university administrators are spineless and disinclined to punish their own.

 

[OttoMets]

Holloway really came off an ass in his postgame interview. I can't imagine any Syracuse player saying stuff like that.

People were quick to go overboard last month and say things like "If SU fires Boeheim, they've seen me and my money for the last time," but if a Syracuse player conducted himself like Holloway did (and without reproach), that might well be the end of my time as a season ticketholder.

Not a proud moment to be associated with either of those universities; I'd be ashamed if my school saw that happen and then doled out those halfhearted punishments.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Pathetic.

 

[rstone7727]

Well, here is the penalty for fighting in Division 1 hockey per Wiki:

In Division I & III NCAA hockey, the fighters are given a Game Disqualification, which is an ejection from the game and a suspension for as many games as the player has accrued Game Disqualifications during the course of a season.

It doesn't state that there is a difference for severity of the fight. At the root, imo, is racism. Pure and simple.

 

[MiniCuse]

Because it's basketball and not hockey?

The suspensions were a frigging joke. Gates is a piece of **** who should never play D-1 college basketball again.

Why is it when a bench clearing brawl happens in baseball it's entertainment but if it happens in basketball it's a travesty?

 

[JeremyCuse]

A couple things, the dude who kicked the Xavier player while he was down actually missed him and didnt connect.
Second how can anyone be surprised over the amount of games, did you really think Cincy was going to suspend some of there best players for the year? Come on this is exactly what I expected and to be honest I doubt the NCAA imposes anything additional.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Well, here is the penalty for fighting in Division 1 hockey per Wiki:

In Division I & III NCAA hockey, the fighters are given a Game Disqualification, which is an ejection from the game and a suspension for as many games as the player has accrued Game Disqualifications during the course of a season.

It doesn't state that there is a difference for severity of the fight. At the root, imo, is racism. Pure and simple.

Oh joy.

You realize that

a: Hockey is a contact sport
and
b: 99% of punches thrown in hockey are during a 1 on 1 fight when both guys are squared up to each other and ready to defend themselves?

There are very few sucker punches in hockey.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Why is it when a bench clearing brawl happens in baseball it's entertainment but if it happens in basketball it's a travesty?

I dont watch enough college baseball to be able to speak to the parallels here.

 

[slidingdown]

Why is it that when a fight happens in Hockey, everyone cheers. But if there is a fight in Basketball, we need to end someone's season?

Also, boxing!

 

[rstone7727]

Haha im sure little Mick Cronin was ripping jerseys off people like Yancy Gates.

HaHa, When he was saying that, I'm thinking "yeah right"...

 

[Cusefan95]

Well, here is the penalty for fighting in Division 1 hockey per Wiki:

In Division I & III NCAA hockey, the fighters are given a Game Disqualification, which is an ejection from the game and a suspension for as many games as the player has accrued Game Disqualifications during the course of a season.

It doesn't state that there is a difference for severity of the fight. At the root, imo, is racism. Pure and simple.

Yes, because everything comes down to racism and sexism in the end.

Idiotic viewpoint. FAIL.

 

[rstone7727]

Yes, because everything comes down to racism and sexism in the end.

Idiotic viewpoint. FAIL.

You tell me why it is a one game suspension in Hockey, and 6 games in basketball. Really, people have a problem when a black guy is swinging his fists, but when a white guy does the same thing? eh... You need to think this out.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Why is it when a bench clearing brawl happens in baseball it's entertainment but if it happens in basketball it's a travesty?

Good question.
Maybe its because theres an established culture in both baseball & hockey for fighting.
Baseball has had spiking, brushback pitches, etc,- which sometimes lead to fighting (bench-clearing brawls).
Hockey has the whole "goon aspect" where you have intimidators whose entire role is to instigate fights.

There is no "expected" behavior in basketball that is specifically geared to initiate fights. Fights are the exception, not the norm, hence the belief that basketball is a "non-contact" sport.
A coupla elbows, boxing out, etc, can lead to rough play, but technically, escalation to fisticuffs is rare.
JMHO

 

[rstone7727]

Good question.
Maybe its because theres an established culture in both baseball & hockey for fighting.
Baseball has had spiking, brushback pitches, etc,- which sometimes lead to fighting (bench-clearing brawls).
Hockey has the whole "goon aspect" where you have intimidators whose entire role is to instigate fights.

There is no "expected" behavior in basketball that is specifically geared to initiate fights. Fights are the exception, not the norm, hence the belief that basketball is a "non-contact" sport.
A coupla elbows, boxing out, etc, can lead to rough play, but technically, escalation to fisticuffs is rare.
JMHO

Agree with this to some extent, but the NCAA needs to work on the rule book a little and make the penalties for fighting standard. Makes no sense to me to have a one game suspension in Hockey and no written rule for basketball. I think each player that fights should take a one game suspension. Let's face it, tempers in any sport can be shortened by several factors and to take a full season away from anyone that throws a punch does not fit the crime. It really is no more of a deterrent than a one game suspension since when it happens, nobody is thinking about the penalty, happens too quick.

 

[OttoMets]

That's lovely.

Wake us up when two benches clear in a hockey game and a player prone on the ice gets his face deliberately stomped.

 

[MiniCuse]

Good question.
Maybe its because theres an established culture in both baseball & hockey for fighting.
Baseball has had spiking, brushback pitches, etc,- which sometimes lead to fighting (bench-clearing brawls).
Hockey has the whole "goon aspect" where you have intimidators whose entire role is to instigate fights.

There is no "expected" behavior in basketball that is specifically geared to initiate fights. Fights are the exception, not the norm, hence the belief that basketball is a "non-contact" sport.
A coupla elbows, boxing out, etc, can lead to rough play, but technically, escalation to fisticuffs is rare.
JMHO

I find the idea that there is an "established culture" in primarily white sports of violence on the playing field to be abhorent. And then you look at basketball, a primarily black sport, which has a primarily non-violent culture. Violence shouldn't be a part of any game. But white people punching each other is celebrated but black people punching each other is treated as this horrible, horrible thing. It's clearly a racist double standard where blacks are expected to act in a certain way.

 

[mark79]

This is not equivalent to any old fight in hockey that is basically supervised by referees while it is happening. This is equivalent to the time that hockey player made that cheap shot from behind that dude and layed him out was suspended for the rest of the year.

I'm not saying he should be suspended for the rest of the year, but this was not a fight it was assault and battery.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I find the idea that there is an "established culture" in primarily white sports of violence on the playing field to be abhorent. And then you look at basketball, a primarily black sport, which has a primarily non-violent culture. Violence shouldn't be a part of any game. But white people punching each other is celebrated but black people punching each other is treated as this horrible, horrible thing. It's clearly a racist double standard where blacks are expected to act in a certain way.

Apples & oranges.
Each of those sports' cultures were established long ago, & I doubt that race played a major role in doing so. At one time ALL the major sports were all-white, & the acceptance of fights in baseball & hockey were the same. Basketball has not had a history of fighting- so when one happens, people are more appalled.
As its evolved, yes, basketball has become predominantly black, but what does that have to do with how fighting is perceived within the sport itself?
Since baseball is evolving & is becoming more Hispanic, does that now mean that fighting in baseball will be looked on as a "Latino" problem, rather than a baseball problem?
Yes, there are those who look at big black men brawling and see it as a race thing. But the original point was why is fighting more "accepted" in baseball & hockey, and less in basketball? That, IMO, has less to do with the race of the participants, than the culture of the sport.

 

[longislandcuse]

Did I miss the part where Al Sharpton got involved in this thread?

 

[Niastri]

In baseball, when punches are actually thrown, people are suspended. Most "bench clearing brawls" have exactly zero punches thrown, and little enough pushing and shoving. Hockey fights are one on one, and anyone who leaves the bench to join a fight is suspended for a longer time than those who were in the fight in the first place. The sucker punch and the attempted stomp are way outside the realm of acceptable. Even looking back at the old Derrick Coleman fight footage, he went up to people who were in the fight, and attempted to engage them. Basically, honorable behavior (from a certain point of view).

Blindside punching a guy who doesn't know it is coming, and isn't even looking at you. Are you really trying to defend that behavior? Stomping a guy who has already been knocked down? Really? And by bringing racism into the discussion, are you suggesting that only black players sucker punch? That viewpoint sounds very racist to me. And reading your posts, that seems to be what you are saying.

If a hockey player or a baseball player stomped a downed opponents face, we would be looking at murder charges.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Did I miss the part where Al Sharpton got involved in this thread?

Hasn't he charged the mound at every brush-back pitch?

 

[tbonezone]

6 Games.. so that means it only lasts until the first BE game vs Pitt and that was on the road and probably a loss anyway..

i'm cool with the 6 games provided that it comes with a season long probation period . one more punch thrown and you're done. period.no appeal. that basically would give every player in the league one free shot at gates. would love to see him get cold cocked once a game knowing that retaliation gets him banned.

 

[MiniCuse]

Apples & oranges.
Each of those sports' cultures were established long ago, & I doubt that race played a major role in doing so. At one time ALL the major sports were all-white, & the acceptance of fights in baseball & hockey were the same . Basketball has not had a history of fighting- so when one happens, people are more appalled.
As its evolved, yes, basketball has become predominantly black, but what does that have to do with how fighting is perceived within the sport itself?
Since baseball is evolving & is becoming more Hispanic, does that now mean that fighting in baseball will be looked on as a "Latino" problem, rather than a baseball problem?
Yes, there are those who look at big black men brawling and see it as a race thing. But the original point was why is fighting more "accepted" in baseball & hockey, and less in basketball? That, IMO, has less to do with the race of the participants, than the culture of the sport.

Race did play a large role in establishing sports' culture by the exclusion of people of color. Different discussion but significant in how violence in sports is viewed or allowed. It's accepted as normal that white people fighting is perfectly fine but blacks fighting is very bad. Clearly a racist and double standard exists where the perception of sports cultures and the perception of white vs. black culture has been blurred. Blacks are viewed as more violent or "thuggish" and that perception makes it easier to view basketball fights as somehow more egregious than fights in other sports.

 

[Eric15]

Apples & oranges.
Each of those sports' cultures were established long ago, & I doubt that race played a major role in doing so. At one time ALL the major sports were all-white, & the acceptance of fights in baseball & hockey were the same. Basketball has not had a history of fighting- so when one happens, people are more appalled.
As its evolved, yes, basketball has become predominantly black, but what does that have to do with how fighting is perceived within the sport itself?
Since baseball is evolving & is becoming more Hispanic, does that now mean that fighting in baseball will be looked on as a "Latino" problem, rather than a baseball problem?
Yes, there are those who look at big black men brawling and see it as a race thing. But the original point was why is fighting more "accepted" in baseball & hockey, and less in basketball? That, IMO, has less to do with the race of the participants, than the culture of the sport.

I agree with all of this.

Beyond that, let's be honest, hockey NEEDS fighting. For a sport that the average American does not really identify with, I feel as though the NHL allows fighting to keep casual spectators interested.