Clemson Fan- My Thoughts

[Palmer103]

Are you saying Clemson fans don't cheer when their offense scores?



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No, I'm saying we don't cheer while we are getting set. You know, when it would actually matter to the defensive communication. This was a response to a clueless fan that thought our defensive communication would be disrupted by the crowd. I don't lol often, but I did with that one.

 

[sufandu]

I'm not here to convince you guys that Syracuse has no chance, or even that Clemson is going to win. It's just not going to be b/c of the crowd. That was the point of my OP.

I was honestly surprised by how convinced your fans are that the crowd is going to be some deciding factor. That's why I brought it up. I'm sorry, but IMO, this team has played in tougher environments and performed well. If you're here to try and convince me that 49k Syracuse fans can be louder than 85k FSU fans, I'm sorry, I'm just not going to agree with you. FSU, Clemson, and other southern schools don't have to use Groupons to convince only 49k fans to show up to watch their team play a top 5 team. We sell out for SC State. And before you tell me it's because you got to be good to get fans to come, SC (who I absolutely can't stand) had 80k in their stadium every game when they were in a 21 game losing streak. That's right, a 21 game losing streak.

People in different regions are passionate about different things. I'm never gonna try and convince you that our BBall crowd will be as good as yours. Please don't do the same to me. We're more passionate than you, and we have 35k more people that are right on top of you as well. Simply having a roof is not enough to put the Carrier Dome on Clemson's level. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Nobody was claiming our fans were better or even close to being as passionate as yours. We know they're not, at least not in the same numbers. But if you don't think a small enclosed dome can be louder than an open air stadium, take a radio into your bedroom and play it as loud as it goes. Then take it outside and do the same thing. You'll see a difference. It's the same reason Cameron Indoor Stadium can be loud for Duke basketball. If you're still not convinced, ask Spurrier what he thinks about the Dome.

 

[TexanMark]

I will concede all things BBall. I love BBall and it's certainly not irrelevant to me. Clemson is not on Syracuse's level in Bball, but yall aren't on our level in football. Pretty straight forward.

But football is #1, even Swofford had to admit that much in his last round of negotiations.

We haven't argued that...we realize Clemson is higher on the FB food chain right now...and we'll never win a FB attendance contest with you. However, you have categorically dismissed the Dome's noise level and it is due to Southern provincial thinking.

 

[Palmer103]

Nobody was claiming our fans were better or even close to being as passionate as yours. We know they're not, at least not in the same numbers. But if you don't think a small enclosed dome can be louder than an open air stadium, take a radio into your bedroom and play it as loud as it goes. Then take it outside and do the same thing. You'll see a difference. It's the same reason Cameron Indoor Stadium can be loud for Duke basketball. If you're still not convinced, ask Spurrier what he thinks about the Dome.

Ok, yall have the loudest venue in college football. I've been beaten down to submission

Man, this is the best kept secret in the world. A lot of people down my way are going to be heartbroken. I'll break it to them easy. Them 49k boys up north can't be matched!!!

 

[CuseOnly]

In my OP, I did say that I have no problem with the confidence from the team expecting to win, just that I wouldn't have gone to the media with that. Most of what I'm basing this on is summed up in this article, but there have been other things too. Again, no problem with it, just surprised and wouldn't have been so public about it myself...

http://www.tigernet.com/story/football/Opposing-sideline-Syracuse-confident-win-No-3-Clemson-12069

It is funny that there are more quotes on tigernet than in our own paper especially if they can be construed as overconfident from our players. I also have not heard any of this reported anywhere, even in video interviews and beleive me I have watched them all and read every quote everywhere on the web. The "quotes" seem highly questionable and would never thought that Macky of all people would say anything of the sort about Beasley.'' The tone and attitude don't even sound remotely like our players.

Frankly I question the whole article.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

I'm not here to convince you guys that Syracuse has no chance, or even that Clemson is going to win. It's just not going to be b/c of the crowd. That was the point of my OP.

I was honestly surprised by how convinced your fans are that the crowd is going to be some deciding factor. That's why I brought it up. I'm sorry, but IMO, this team has played in tougher environments and performed well. If you're here to try and convince me that 49k Syracuse fans can be louder than 85k FSU fans, I'm sorry, I'm just not going to agree with you. FSU, Clemson, and other southern schools don't have to use Groupons to convince only 49k fans to show up to watch their team play a top 5 team. We sell out for SC State. And before you tell me it's because you got to be good to get fans to come, SC (who I absolutely can't stand) had 80k in their stadium every game when they were in a 21 game losing streak. That's right, a 21 game losing streak.

People in different regions are passionate about different things. I'm never gonna try and convince you that our BBall crowd will be as good as yours. Please don't do the same to me. We're more passionate than you, and we have 35k more people that are right on top of you as well. Simply having a roof is not enough to put the Carrier Dome on Clemson's level. Sorry, but it's the truth.

In regards to FSU, I've been to Tallahassee. UF-FSU. I think you'll agree that's a pretty intense rivalry. It was a great atmosphere. 85,000 standing the whole game cheering their heads off. I absolutely loved it. FSU also won by a couple of touchdowns. With that said, it isn't even half as loud as the Dome when it's full and when it's rocking. That's not hyperbole, it's the truth. I was at a regular season game at the dome in 1997 against Army. I turned to talk to my father at one point, and couldn't hear MYSELF talk.

In 1992, SU played Miami and the sideline reporter had a decibel meter on the field. It was louder than standing right next to a Boeing 747 jet engine. You can believe what you want to believe, but I've experienced both venues and enjoyed both venues. Noise level isn't even close. It's easy to say "it's not as loud, and I don't believe you..." when you've never experienced it. We're passionate fans, but we're not delusional. If other venues were louder I'd say it. If FSU was louder, I'd agree with you. It's not though.

If Clemson scores early and often though, it will be as quiet as a church. You're right though, the game won't be decided by the fans, it'll be decided by the players. We're all excited about the fact that we're going to have a full dome because off the heels of the Greg Robinson era, there wasn't a whole lot to cheer about. As the program continues to build momentum, the crowds will return. The Clemson game is an important part in that process.

 

[TexanMark]

Ok, yall have the loudest venue in college football. I've been beaten down to submission

Man, this is the best kept secret in the world. A lot of people down my way are going to be heartbroken. I'll break it to them easy. Them 49k boys up north can't be matched!!!

Now you are being a douche...

 

[Palmer103]

It took me 3 pages to see the light, but now I do.

It is funny that there are more quotes on tigernet than in our own paper especially if they can be construed as overconfident from our players. I also have not heard any of this reported anywhere, even in video interviews and beleive me I have watched them all and read every quote everywhere on the web. The "quotes" seem highly questionable and would never thought that Macky of all people would say anything of the sort about Beasley.'' The tone and attitude don't even sound remotely like our players.

Frankly I question the whole article.

The reason there's more quotes on our sites than your paper, is b/c we care more about football. I would expect this to be reversed during BBall season. Tigernet pretty much sucks, but they're not going to put their reputation on the line by making up quotes. That's not a very good long term business plan. I can assure you these quotes are from the mouth. If not, I expect your coach/players, etc to come out and set the record straight. I wouldn't want articles written with direct quotes from me that are completely fabricated...

 

[jekelish]

No one is asking you to believe the Dome is the loudest place in the world, you jackass. Holy hell. Just don't write it off as being a nothing venue that could never in a million years be even half as loud as a SOUTHERN stadium.

 

[TexanMark]

It took me 3 pages to see the light, but now I do.


The reason there's more quotes on our sites than your paper, is b/c we care more about football. I would expect this to be reversed during BBall season. Tigernet pretty much sucks, but they're not going to put their reputation on the line by making up quotes. That's not a very good long term business plan. I can assure you these quotes are from the mouth. If not, I expect your coach/players, etc to come out and set the record straight. I wouldn't want articles written with direct quotes from me that are completely fabricated...

If you are coming to the game...stop by our tailgate...we can debate more over a beer and some good food.

 

[Palmer103]

Now you are being a douche...

Sorry, I've been beaten down to submission.

I'm sorry, but the Carrier Dome is not the loudest venue in College football. I can't believe I actually had to type that, much less defend it.

 

[jekelish]

If you are coming to the game...stop by our tailgate...we can debate more over a beer and some good food.

And hopefully JarHeadJim will be around. I have a feeling you wouldn't feel like spouting off then, my new Clemson fan friend.

(All in good fun...but for the record, I will go out of my way to always stay on Jim's good side after getting a look at the dude)

 

[FAL]

Here's my thought: Arguing on the internet is useless. Let's see what happens on Saturday. May the better team win.

Are you serious? How dare you bring logic and common sense to this thread!?! The nerve of some people!!!!!

 

[Palmer103]

If you are coming to the game...stop by our tailgate...we can debate more over a beer and some good food.

I would, can't come up. I will be sure to in 2 years though.

 

[Palmer103]

No one is asking you to believe the Dome is the loudest place in the world, you jackass. Holy hell. Just don't write it off as being a nothing venue that could never in a million years be even half as loud as a SOUTHERN stadium.

Yeah, that's not what I said at all. Actually put yall at #4 in the ACC, then eventually conceded that I would put you on the same level as VT in a tie for 3rd.

Geez, you would think that I said it was like playing in Wallace Wade or something (Duke's stadium, unfortunately you will have to visit there every blue moon now that you're in the ACC). It's a miserable experience.

 

[FAL]

I've seen the good teams come into a loud Carrier Dome and get rattled. I've seen good teams come into a loud Carrier Dome and it looks like it's just any other game for them. So no idea if it will matter. I hope it does. The Dome doesn't rock very much anymore, but when it does, I think it will be harder than GT or NC State. Fans are right on top of you, there's nowhere for the noise to go. But a couple big plays here or there, they quiet like any other place.

As for the humidity, again, it's not like the hot places. Miami players (of all people) used to cramp up here all the time. It's just hard to prepare for.

I just hope it's a competitive game. Two scenarios, Clemson wins by a lot, or it's a close game. The SU winning by a lot would be a pleasant surprise but I think that's off the table. So here's to a close game.

I'm convinced it's the CO2 level--all those people exhaling tons of carbon dioxide has to screw around with your physiology.:crazy:

 

[Marroniac]

There is one more thing we have, besides a roof, those other stadiums don't have that contributes to the noise...beer concessions.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Sorry, I've been beaten down to submission.

I'm sorry, but the Carrier Dome is not the loudest venue in College football. I can't believe I actually had to type that, much less defend it.

I really don't take issue with what you are saying. Agree with Mark you are being dismissive, but its your opinion and it is what it is.

Curious though, which Carrier Dome game did you go to when forming this opinion about how loud it is? Was it during the 90s or during the down years more recently? I mean you obviously have been to the Dome given the emphatic nature of your proclamation. ..just trying to figure out if you may have made a rash decision based on a sleepy Wagner crowd?

 

[jekelish]

There is one more thing we have, besides a roof, those other stadiums don't have that contributes to the noise...beer concessions.

Finally, someone makes the best possible point in this thread.

 

[Orangepace]

I'm not here to convince you guys that Syracuse has no chance, or even that Clemson is going to win. It's just not going to be b/c of the crowd. That was the point of my OP.

I was honestly surprised by how convinced your fans are that the crowd is going to be some deciding factor. That's why I brought it up. I'm sorry, but IMO, this team has played in tougher environments and performed well. If you're here to try and convince me that 49k Syracuse fans can be louder than 85k FSU fans, I'm sorry, I'm just not going to agree with you. FSU, Clemson, and other southern schools don't have to use Groupons to convince only 49k fans to show up to watch their team play a top 5 team. We sell out for SC State. And before you tell me it's because you got to be good to get fans to come, SC (who I absolutely can't stand) had 80k in their stadium every game when they were in a 21 game losing streak. That's right, a 21 game losing streak.

People in different regions are passionate about different things. I'm never gonna try and convince you that our BBall crowd will be as good as yours. Please don't do the same to me. We're more passionate than you, and we have 35k more people that are right on top of you as well. Simply having a roof is not enough to put the Carrier Dome on Clemson's level. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Don't believe us... get off your a$$ and get up to the Dome and experience it. Simple as that. As the underdogs, SU is expected to lose. While not always the case, there are times when the underdog steps up and pulls it all together. We've seen it happen in each of the last few years.

Regarding the game itself... Our blitz packages haven't looked as solid as they have the last two years. I think our guys telegraph where the blitz is coming from more this year. That said, they've had two weeks to work on the gameplan and I would assume that the issue has been addressed to some extent. I'm not really all that worried about your speed... our team is faster than it was the past two years and we handed the speedy WVU two a$$whoopings. I would say your guys are probably on a par with those WVU teams when it came to speed, but I'd say your boys have more size than those teams. Oh, and you actually play defense. Nobody here EXPECTS to beat Clemson, nor that SU can do so like it did those teams. That said, we all realize there is a chance. Let's let the game be played out on the field.

 

[sufandu]

Ok, yall have the loudest venue in college football. I've been beaten down to submission

Man, this is the best kept secret in the world. A lot of people down my way are going to be heartbroken. I'll break it to them easy. Them 49k boys up north can't be matched!!!

Wow, you really are a douche. We didn't claim that we're absolutely the loudest, but we can be amongst them. We claimed that 49,000 fans that are into it can create intimidation. Michael Vick called timeouts in the Dome because of the noise the year after playing for the national championship, so I think he knew how to handle pressure. Tee Martin did the same thing in '98 with Tennessee, their national championship year.

You seem to want to make this an all or nothing thing. Can't you just show some respect for an opponent instead of being a condescending jack ass? We have sucked for a while, but in the past we had a very good home field advantage. The environment for this game will be more like our hey day than the last 10 years, if the game remains close.

Your team is more talented, accomplished, and deserves to be a nearly 2 TD favorite. If our guys can use emotion early to take a lead or stay close, a heavily favored road team could begin to feel the pressure late in the game, and the crowd could factor into that. That's not an insult, it's happened to a lot of very good teams. If you guys jump out to a 2 or 3 TD lead the place will get quiet and the crowed won't matter.

Here's to a good physical hard fought game. Go Cuse!

 

[Palmer103]

I really don't take issue with what you are saying. Agree with Mark you are being dismissive, but its your opinion and it is what it is.

Curious though, which Carrier Dome game did you go to when forming this opinion about how loud it is? Was it during the 90s or during the down years more recently? I mean you obviously have been to the Dome given the emphatic nature of your proclamation. ..just trying to figure out if you may have made a rash decision based on a sleepy Wagner crowd?

I haven't been. Just as you haven't been to any of the venues that you are comparing it to. It's just my opinion, but based on a lot of people's opinions too. I've actually never seen it rated anywhere near Clemson's to be honest.

I should have never gone down this road

I honestly didn't think I was being insulting rating yall in the top half of conference venues before you've even played a game. You also still haven't sold out Saturdays game, despite the #3 team in the country coming to town.

I'm out. It's been fun. I may make another thread tomorrow solely on the X's and O's or something, but will 100% never go down this road again.

I can understand if you guys think I was trolling, but I can assure you that was never my intent. Good entertainment for the past couple hours or so if nothing else

 

[CuseOnly]

Lol, Clemson Tom is ridiculous.

I stand by everything I've said. Please let me know which of my points you think I'm off base on. I know there's a lot going on in this thread, but I 100% am not trolling and stand by everything I've said...

I don't know any other stadium where the closest seat all around in the first row is only about 20-25 feet from the sideline. The entire crowd of 49K will be within about 90-120 feet (in the farthest row) of the sidelines... if that. Combined with the fact that there is a roof on top of that cauldron and there is only concrete and teflon to reflect the noise and nothing to deaden it. Unlike other stadiums, there is no breeze, no AC, no air movement to take the edge off and it will be unlike anyplace your players have ever played.

There is no place like it and comparing it to any other arena is folly.

I would say that you will see, but you won't because you won't be there.

Good Luck!

 

[TheCusian]

Can't. Hold. Back...

Y'all isn't a word. "You all" isn't proper grammar.

I know it's culture and traditional south - but it drives me insane.

 

[jekelish]

I do have to concede one thing that the Clemson fans are mocking, by the way.

The jingling keys thing is stupid. I hated it when I was a student and I still hate it now. It's so incredibly dumb. I wish we would do away with it. It doesn't make noise. It's just...dumb.