Coach says recruiting

[IthacaBarrel]

I want an overall coach that wins games. Look at sabin, miles, paterno, or tressel they have titles not offensive explosion or an identity. Do I want the offense to score more, absolutely, but the bigger picture is to win and put your team in position to do so.

Yes, we just need Saban and Miles defense, sure that works! Ohio St was always pretty balanced. These arguments are kind of crazy. That said, I want Oregon, Stanford, or Ok or Ok ST's offense, they seem to win a few games too. Unless you are in the SEC offense wins games in college.

 

[SmilinBob]

Yes, we just need Saban and Miles defense, sure that works! Ohio St was always pretty balanced. These arguments are kind of crazy. That said, I want Oregon, Stanford, or Ok or Ok ST's offense, they seem to win a few games too. Unless you are in the SEC offense wins games in college.

Just look at the number of qb's ohio state put into the nfl compared to their success. LSU, psu, or alabama too. I agree that I'd love their defenses and I like to look at SU has being in position to win all their games with usc and louisville being a bit of a stretch. When robinson was here were got completely blown out at times and the same with coach p. Look at gill and the games he has been absolutely demolished in. I think Marrone will continue to grow as a coach and continue learning his craft.

Scoring more points than the other team will always be a constant. The offense has saved the d with some points and when they struggle it's the d's turn. If they put it together we have a West Virginia game. I'd love to win 45-0 each time but until SU upgrades their facilities, the dome is full and they continue to win we will slowly get better recruits each year.

I see flaws with this team and if it's because of the players or coaches is a moot point. I want these flaws fixed just like anyone here. People have to remember that many SU stars were not great playmakers when they were freshman. Ismail, Harrison, Monk and many others were not gamebreakers as freshman and I don't believe Ismail did anything until his junior year. I think there is talent here and it is going to get better.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Where you're goofed up is that you get the cause and effect of completion percentage and interceptions wrong. you think that because those 2 stats are good, he should do more.

Actually, where I'm goofed up isn't where you think. Where I'm goofed up is that I think Nassib plays a lot better when he's throwing the ball a lot. Ergo, I think we should probably have Nassib throw the ball a lot.

 

[Millhouse]

Actually, where I'm goofed up isn't where you think. Where I'm goofed up is that I think Nassib plays a lot better when he's throwing the ball a lot. Ergo, I think we should probably have Nassib throw the ball a lot.

do you have evidence of this?

WVU 33 passes, 41 rushes
K State 22 passes, 43 rushes

if you can run for 250 yards a game, you're going to get a lot of plays which is going to mean more passes. but the balance of run pass in the games where nassib has been good doesn't imply that the balance should go more to the pass

 

[OttoinGrotto]

do you have evidence of this?

WVU 33 passes, 41 rushes
K State 22 passes, 43 rushes

if you can run for 250 yards a game, you're going to get a lot of plays which is going to mean more passes. but the balance of run pass in the games where nassib has been good doesn't imply that the balance should go more to the pass

Usually if I have evidence I say I know. In the case of that post I said I think.

AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT FROM ME!

 

[Millhouse]

Usually if I have evidence I say I know. In the case of that post I said I think.

AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT FROM ME!

nice try. then you should've said "I think Nassib would plays a lot better when if he's throwing the ball a lot."

 

[GoSU96]

Pick a probability that a kinder run offense could be worse. As long as that probability is above zero, Marrone isn't going to take that chance because he incorrectly believes that Nassib offers a 6 win floor - and bowl eligibility is all that matters to him right now. once he has enough players to have a reasonable expectation of bowl eligibility no matter what, he'll start thinking more in terms of expected value and upside. Where you're goofed up is that you get the cause and effect of completion percentage and interceptions wrong. you think that because those 2 stats are good, he should do more. Where marrone thinks he can't do more so he pares everything down to optimize those 2 stats. there's a million things the guy can't do so we're going to focus on the 2 things he can do rollout dumpoffs and slants to at least keep the ball off the ground or out of the other team's hands.

by continuing to think that nassib is serviceable, you dismiss that the offense could be worse. they're at the 20th percentile now. you can be worse than that

you think marrone's nuts for not running his offense with nassib, i think he's nuts for not running his offense with kinder. and i'll really think he's nuts for not running it with hunt next year

It's not just two stats: I'll post this again.

Out of BCS AQ QB's (66 I believe is the number) playing only BCS AQ opponents

Nassib is: 34th in yds per game, 37th in passing , 21st in Completion %, 23rd in TD's, T 21st in Ints, T 21st TD/Int ratio, T22nd TD % per attempt, T 21st Int%.

For all QB's in all games, 53rd in yds per game, 51st in , 27th in completion %, 26th in TD's, T 40th in Ints, 23rd in TD/Int ratio, 33rd in TD %, 31st in Int %.

 

[Millhouse]

It's not just two stats: I'll post this again.

Out of BCS AQ QB's (66 I believe is the number) playing only BCS AQ opponents

Nassib is: 34th in yds per game, 37th in passing , 21st in Completion %, 23rd in TD's, T 21st in Ints, T 21st TD/Int ratio, T22nd TD % per attempt, T 21st Int%.

For all QB's in all games, 53rd in yds per game, 51st in , 27th in completion %, 26th in TD's, T 40th in Ints, 23rd in TD/Int ratio, 33rd in TD %, 31st in Int %.

we're already pretty pass happy relative to a lot of other teams that have the qbs running around. will make this quick, sometime i'll pore it over but we're in the 100s in rushing att and 40s in passing attempts. so yards and tds should be relatively higher than the teams that run all day all else equal. i agree that his completion percentage and int % is good. i think that's a function of marrone's offense. never throw downfield, rollouts and slants.

in the end the offense is in the 90s and the offense is more weighted to the pass than most teams.

and i think the games where he's been best are the games where that balance flipped.

 

[GoSU96]

we're already pretty pass happy relative to a lot of other teams that have the qbs running around. will make this quick, sometime i'll pore it over but we're in the 100s in rushing att and 40s in passing attempts. so yards and tds should be relatively higher than the teams that run all day all else equal. i agree that his completion percentage and int % is good. i think that's a function of marrone's offense. never throw downfield, rollouts and slants.

in the end the offense is in the 90s and the offense is more weighted to the pass than most teams.

and i think the games where he's been best are the games where that balance flipped.

Now you want a RUNNING QB?

 

[Millhouse]

Now you want a RUNNING QB?

Ugh. We're talking about just Nassib here. I think *he* only does well when we run effectively and often. The whole point of this is to counter Otto's dopey idea that he'd be better if they just let him throw more. and my response to you was that you have to consider that other teams don't throw the ball when you're looking at where Nassib is in the rankings. he used to be neck and neck with those guys anyway so it's gotten better, i'll give you that.

I would rather have a pass happy offense with a better qb. but at this point, i'll take anything

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Ugh. We're talking about just Nassib here. I think *he* only does well when we run effectively and often. The whole point of this is to counter Otto's dopey idea that he'd be better if they just let him throw more. and my response to you was that you have to consider that other teams don't throw the ball when you're looking at where Nassib is in the rankings. he used to be neck and neck with those guys anyway so it's gotten better, i'll give you that.

I would rather have a pass happy offense with a better qb. but at this point, i'll take anything

Anything being the operative word... Whatever moves the ball and scores points. You either need an accurate passer or an athlete that can make plays with his legs, scramble, improvise.. complete a few passes. We don't have either or.

You could run the bootleg a lot more effectively with a qb that could run out of it

 

[Bayside44]

I find this maddening.

I realize he may not have the desired personnel for his "system," but how much worse could the performance be from what we get right now?

We win in spite of the offense, not because of it.

If Marrone's "system" calls for a QB who can run, and we have one who cannot, well...

 

[Aweart23]

If Marrone's "system" calls for a QB who can run, and we have one who cannot, well...

and if the QB who can't run gives you the best odds of winning...maybe you modify your "system" to take advantage of what your QB does do well...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

nice try. then you should've said "I think Nassib would plays a lot better when if he's throwing the ball a lot."

You grammarian meat head. Are you really trying to change sentence structure to support your argument?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If Marrone's "system" calls for a QB who can run, and we have one who cannot, well...

The offense sucks. Much like it does now.

and if the QB who can't run gives you the best odds of winning...maybe you modify your "system" to take advantage of what your QB does do well...

If the offense sucks, it sucks, so if we're going to run a sucky offense, let's at least run the suckfest offense we want.

I do not believe that the offense would be any worse if we were running our true "system."

 

[Aweart23]

The offense sucks. Much like it does now.

If the offense sucks, it sucks, so if we're going to run a sucky offense, let's at least run the suckfest offense we want.

I do not believe that the offense would be any worse if we were running our true "system."

If its the offense from the 1st half last week or from Louisville, I'd agree...if its the offense from the second half last week or the WVU game I would disagree...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If its the offense from the 1st half last week or from Louisville, I'd agree...if its the offense from the second half last week or the WVU game I would disagree...

No doubt, when the offense looked good it has looked really good. Problem is, that has been soooooooo rare.

 

[John Syracuse]

save room for some penn st players

 

[RF2044]

save room for some penn st players

This might not be so much about recruits, but what about any Penn State transfers? :noidea:

 

[Aweart23]

No doubt, when the offense looked good it has looked really good. Problem is, that has been soooooooo rare.

I don't agree with rare...Inconsistent yes...but rare no way

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I don't agree with rare...Inconsistent yes...but rare no way

It is rare.

Slap dash look - I looked to see how many quarters we've had in which we've scored more than 7 points. Seems like a good quick and dirty measure. It would mean you put two scoring drives together in the same quarter. Sounds like good offense to me.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

To me, that looks like good performance is rare.

As a comp, Ohio is 40th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 22
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 14

And TCU, rated 10th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 17
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 19

And let's go the other way w/ UCLA, ranked 80th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

Looks just like us. Offense rarely performing well.

 

[bnoro]

It is rare.

Slap dash look - I looked to see how many quarters we've had in which we've scored more than 7 points. Seems like a good quick and dirty measure. It would mean you put two scoring drives together in the same quarter. Sounds like good offense to me.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

To me, that looks like good performance is rare.

As a comp, Ohio is 40th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 22
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 14

And TCU, rated 10th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 17
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 19

And let's go the other way w/ UCLA, ranked 80th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

Looks just like us. Offense rarely performing well.

Why compare us with two mid majors? if we played all MAC schools or MWC schools I'm sure our offense would look a lot better...

 

[Aweart23]

It is rare.

Slap dash look - I looked to see how many quarters we've had in which we've scored more than 7 points. Seems like a good quick and dirty measure. It would mean you put two scoring drives together in the same quarter. Sounds like good offense to me.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

To me, that looks like good performance is rare.

As a comp, Ohio is 40th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 22
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 14

And TCU, rated 10th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 17
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 19

And let's go the other way w/ UCLA, ranked 80th in scoring.

Quarters w/ 7 or fewer points - 27
Quarters w/ more than 7 points - 9

Looks just like us. Offense rarely performing well.

Pretty arbitrary measure of how successful an offense performs...Since we are being arbitrary...We are 49th (out of 120) in scoring offense (points/game) against BCS AQ teams..TCU is #1 and Ohio is #40...We are ahead of Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Illinois and South Florida...

Since we suck on offense, you'd rather we run an offense that Ryan is ill suited to run? As long as its the offense Marrone intends on eventually running...rather than putting Ryan in position to be successful?

I'd rather they make two bowls in a row and have something substantial to sell recruits even if that means limiting the offense until we have the horses to open things up...

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

do you have evidence of this?

WVU 33 passes, 41 rushes
K State 22 passes, 43 rushes

if you can run for 250 yards a game, you're going to get a lot of plays which is going to mean more passes. but the balance of run pass in the games where nassib has been good doesn't imply that the balance should go more to the pass

Don't feel like researching, but I wonder what our record is in games where we had more first half passing attempts than second half attempts?I too, feel that our offense is a lot better when the coaches let Nassib try to get into a rhythm early. Looking at your stats you posted, I can see why rushes would outnumber passes in the WVU game, just because we had such a lead and all.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Why compare us with two mid majors? if we played all MAC schools or MWC schools I'm sure our offense would look a lot better...

Ugh, it was a random draw. I just grabbed 10, 40 and 80. This wasn't a scientific study.

The point is our offense is bad. I hope it's good tomorrow.