Coach Search Options after Autry

[M2MPrinciples]

From an SI.com article on possible Tang successors. Hodson is on there, but among the the least likely candidates:

Hodgson built a reputation at Alabama for being one of the best recruiting assistants in the sport, and has succeeded early in head coaching stints at Arkansas State and now South Florida. It is a poorly kept secret in industry circles that Syracuse is the job he covets should it open, but Kansas State would be wise to at least talk to the guy currently leading the AAC.

 

[CuseBlood44]

I agree. Some people think bc is Massasoit community.

Massive booster base. They haven’t chased good money after bad so far. Gonna need proof of concept there. An Irish kid named McNamara sounds on brand. Haven’t had it since Jimmy Obrien

Not to mention why wouldn’t Gerry want to live in Wellesley or Newton vs Albany area? It’s a no brainer no matter what the cost of living is. He would be paid well enough to afford a nice house

As someone who moved out of Boston and back to the Albany suburbs, not everyone wants the big city lifestyle. I get the sense Gerry & family are happy here and that is why they left Syracuse for a similar environment (living wise)

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

So you connected with your contact who knows BH to get the truth on him, that is what you indicated you were going to do. Your message back in the thread is there is hysteria and smoke and then say we will be happy with the hire and toss in a happy face.
So presumably your BH contact said BH is a good guy and he will be the coach at SU?

Unfortunately my friend just missed Hodgson at USF, so he didn't have anything firsthand to share. I thought they overlapped, but I was wrong.

Hmmm. So a new name has entered the chat?!

Just a hint at the direction/strategy.

 

[Cuse1055]

From an SI.com article on possible Tang successors. Hodson is on there, but among the the least likely candidates:

Hodgson built a reputation at Alabama for being one of the best recruiting assistants in the sport, and has succeeded early in head coaching stints at Arkansas State and now South Florida. It is a poorly kept secret in industry circles that Syracuse is the job he covets should it open, but Kansas State would be wise to at least talk to the guy currently leading the AAC.

It’ll be Oates 2.0 if we don’t make the move.

 

[CuseBlood44]

For some people yes,,,Gerry doesn't seem the big city type.

His Instagram profile picture is literally he and his boys on a dock holding a nice large mouth bass lol, the pretentiousness of some people

 

[Cusefan0307]

As someone who moved out of Boston and back to the Albany suburbs, not everyone wants the big city lifestyle. I get the sense Gerry & family are happy here and that is why they left Syracuse for a similar environment (living wise)

Boston’s good for the Uber wealthy. It is unaffordable for even upper middle class people. I have friends and colleagues making in the 200’s that can’t afford to live anywhere close to where they work so hello to 3 hours of commuting a day.

 

[rrlbees]

Hmmm. So a new name has entered the chat?!

Bruce Pearl

 

[BigNastyJon]

Bruce Pearl

Lmao might be the only good coach I’d say no thanks to.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Boston’s good for the Uber wealthy. It is unaffordable for even upper middle class people. I have friends and coworkers making in the 200’s that can’t afford to live anywhere close to where they work so hello to 3 hours of commuting a day.

Like my buddies on Long Island that can't wait to move out of there because they've been dragging their butts on the LIRR for 40 years of aggravation. If you have a good job and live in upstate NY, you can basically write your ticket to a nice lifestyle.

 

[hoopsupstate]

You shouldn't, it's apples to oranges. They play at an exponentially, faster offensive tempo than we do.

Turnovers are turnovers and they still play forty minutes. You also need to take into account about teams that shoot poorly. When you have poor shooters, it’s easy for defenses to just play your passes, which also leads to turnovers. When guys don’t look at the basket, they usually have more turnovers. SU’s guards are a perfect example. You’re correct that it’s apples to oranges. There’s a lot of reasons why teams turn over the ball. Playing fast doesn’t always lead to turnovers. Usually they just shoot it quicker before you get a chance to turn it over. My issue with Hogdson is has he done and proven enough to warrant the SU job? He might kill it, but can SU really take that chance? I’m just skeptical at this point in time. I think we all want the next coach to be successful. I just want someone with a longer track record at a higher level with proven success. Unfortunately, that might not be an option.

 

[jdubs30]

Hodgson has already turned around 2 programs in year 1. I’m not saying he’s Hurley but it’s so obvious the fit is perfect and he’s a potential program changer … this isn’t Chris Holtmann

 

[OrlandoCuse]

No horse in this race, but some fun facts:

Hodgson is 38 years old, Gerry is 42.

Hodgson has only been a head coach for one more season than Gerry.

Both of them are 17-8 this season.

Hodgson has USF ranked 57 in the NET.

GMac has Siena ranked 193 in the NET.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Bruce Pearl

 

[RF2044]

Turnovers are turnovers and they still play forty minutes. You also need to take into account about teams that shoot poorly. When you have poor shooters, it’s easy for defenses to just play your passes, which also leads to turnovers. When guys don’t look at the basket, they usually have more turnovers. SU’s guards are a perfect example. You’re correct that it’s apples to oranges. There’s a lot of reasons why teams turn over the ball. Playing fast doesn’t always lead to turnovers. Usually they just shoot it quicker before you get a chance to turn it over. My issue with Hogdson is has he done and proven enough to warrant the SU job? He might kill it, but can SU really take that chance? I’m just skeptical at this point in time. I think we all want the next coach to be successful. I just want someone with a longer track record at a higher level with proven success. Unfortunately, that might not be an option.

When a team plays at a faster offensive tempo, they have more possessions. So if they average x number of turnovers, it isn't as impactful as a team that plays a slower tempo and has many fewer possessions and averages the same number of turnovers.

So while the number might be the same, it is in fact vastly different based upon the tempo. Turnover percentage is a better indicator.

 

[jdubs30]

Turnovers are turnovers and they still play forty minutes. You also need to take into account about teams that shoot poorly. When you have poor shooters, it’s easy for defenses to just play your passes, which also leads to turnovers. When guys don’t look at the basket, they usually have more turnovers. SU’s guards are a perfect example. You’re correct that it’s apples to oranges. There’s a lot of reasons why teams turn over the ball. Playing fast doesn’t always lead to turnovers. Usually they just shoot it quicker before you get a chance to turn it over. My issue with Hogdson is has he done and proven enough to warrant the SU job? He might kill it, but can SU really take that chance? I’m just skeptical at this point in time. I think we all want the next coach to be successful. I just want someone with a longer track record at a higher level with proven success. Unfortunately, that might not be an option.

You’re wrong. USF turns the ball over on 15.6% of its offensive possession … 96th in the country. Cuse is 16.1% which is 128th in the country.

It’s not about 40 minutes it’s about number of possessions

 

[Cusefan0307]

You’re wrong. USF turns the ball over on 15.6% of its offensive possession … 96th in the country. Cuse is 16.1% which is 128th in the country.

It’s not about 40 minutes it’s about number of possessions

They also out rebound their opponents by 5 per game including 41.6% of their own misses. It leads to them shooting 3 more shots and 4 more free throws per game than their opponents.

 

[hoopsupstate]

You’re wrong. USF turns the ball over on 15.6% of its offensive possession … 96th in the country. Cuse is 16.1% which is 128th in the country.

It’s not about 40 minutes it’s about number of possessions

I’m not going to squabble about .5 of teams offensive possessions, but teams that can’t shoot are prone to turn the ball over more. Neither percentage is anything to brag about.

 

[rrlbees]

You’re wrong. USF turns the ball over on 15.6% of its offensive possession … 96th in the country. Cuse is 16.1% which is 128th in the country.

It’s not about 40 minutes it’s about number of possessions

i don't know what the math means but usf gets 6.8 more possessions than su.

 

[ar inj]

Ok….so my wife is an academic and as a result we have lived in Baltimore, Chestnut Hill and Charlottesville. I was raised in DeWitt. Here is the deal….the DeWitt Wegman’s is the 2nd Wegman’s in the entire system. It is a bit of a Frankenstein as it has been cobbled together over decades as their model has changed. It is way too large in my opinion and the only thing fun about it is the possibility of running into Jim and Juli Boeheim. The one in Baltimore is nice but too far outside the city and thus we never went there as it just was not compelling enough to make the hike each way and burn up an entire morning. The Wegman’s in Chestnut Hill / Newton has a great wine and liquor store….which was fantastic during COVID. The store itself is competing with Star Market which has a great fish department and made it the default winner for us. Finally the Wegman’s in Charlottesville is new-ish, the right size, really good meat department, bakery and prepared foods. Their subs and sushi are really good. So overall, the one in Charlottesville is my winner today except for booze during a pandemic which gives the nod to the Wegman’s in Chestnut Hill over the other Wegman’s.

If food is the deciding factor for where I live next I will pass on all the Wegman’s in the world if I can get a local butcher with a delivery boy on a bike.

 

[CuseBlood44]

People love to complain about construction. Folks…that’s a good thing!!!

It is but go to Boston and it’s everywhere. At some point infrastructure can’t keep up and places get too congested

 

[Dcuse]

A couple of quick quotes from the internet when searching Hodgson and recruiting...

"Bryan Hodgson is widely regarded as one of the nation's top college basketball recruiters, known for his relentless energy, ability to land elite talent, and success in rebuilding programs. As a key assistant under Nate Oats at Alabama and Buffalo, he was pivotal in signing top-15 recruiting classes and developing high-level players.
Key Aspects of Hodgson's Recruiting Style:

• Elite Talent Evaluator: Recognized as one of the top recruiters in the nation by 247Sports and a premier assistant coach by The Athletic.
• Primary Recruiter for Stars: Led efforts for major commitments at Alabama, including Brandon Miller, Jaden Bradley, Noah Clowney, and Josh Primo.
• "High-Energy" Approach: Known for intense, relentless, and hardworking recruiting, often referred to as someone who "beats the bushes" to find talent.
• Program Builder: Successfully recruited and rebuilt rosters at Buffalo, Alabama, and Arkansas State before becoming head coach at USF.

Hodgson's reputation as an "ace recruiter" is backed by his consistent ability to secure top-tier talent and his recognition as one of the most impactful coaches in the country. "

Recruiting is College Basketball yesteryear. NIL is the recruiter…..nothing else. We’ve been told here that not only don’t we have the money to get the top recruits, we also don’t have the money to get any top shelf coaches. The most informed people on our board have unfortunately told us as much. It feels like everybody is jumping ship at the same time here ( Sevyrud, Wildhack, Frazier.) After learning what we have in this thread, it’s obviously not coincidence. Doomsday has sadly arrived.

 

[orangepassion]

I wonder if the choice was Gmac vs Luke Murray, who most would prefer?

 

[phil77]

i don't know what the math means but usf gets 6.8 more possessions than su.

6.8 is correct

USF averages 78.5 possessions per game
Syracuse 71.7 possessions per game

 

[Cusefan69]

Unfortunately my friend just missed Hodgson at USF, so he didn't have anything firsthand to share. I thought they overlapped, but I was wrong.


Just a hint at the direction/strategy.

So the smile still suggests some knowledge shared. A reference to smoke is interesting. Perhaps Schertz is in play? Just fishing, don't mind me.

 

[orangepassion]