Coach Search Options after Autry

[sufan59]

How many alums have we hired to lead the Football team in the last 60 years? One? Like anyone else, alum or not, if you win, they love you.

Of course, but this is different. I mean if Autry worked, potentially in most of our lifetimes we wouldn't have ever seen an outsider running the program. I'm saying initially, it's important to embrace and accept, be open minded to this working. But yes if you win, everyone will be happy and that's when it truly becomes genuine the embracing and accepting part lol.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Agreed, salary compensation will not be an issue, total financial support is the issue some have.

I was very aggressively told a couple weeks ago that salary would not be an issue. That person also strongly hinted at a candidate that I misintepreted but was later mentioned elsewhere by somebody that would know, so I trust it.

I think SU is well aware of the chatter about how cheap they are perceived.

 

[5OutFred]

It's important to keep bringing up the coaching search to the national media, because you could count the number of people outside of Syracuse who think Hop is a good idea on one hand.

 

[elimunelson]

Calipari at 8mm is a steal as in he’s stealing 8mm a year.

That list of coach salaries shows how far the ranks of recognized coaches has fallen. Really hollowed out the personalities

 

[Biaxtar]

Which, ok, fine. If that's their expectation, then they also shouldn't expect to sell ~18,000 season tickets nor draw the eyeballs on TV. If they want to be BC, be BC. Stop blowing smoke about how SU sports is still in the 80s and 90s.

Hire Gmac and let him do his thing in front of 8k people in the dome.

I agree with this statement. Stop dancing around and masquerading as a top ACC program. If you can’t find money from the 90k tuition the school is forcing students to pay and other methods of cash that private universities have at their disposal, then say it.

(This will never happen) if they are as behind as what’s being said here, then the AD and chancellor must focus on one revenue generating sport and throw the other aside.

 

[orangepassion]

I was very aggressively told a couple weeks ago that salary would not be an issue.

Are you okay? No reason for them to be aggressive with you.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse

Thanks for the info!

Question. Is there anyone in a position of influence who will explain to others making the decision that $2m a year is not going to cut it if they actually want to win?

 

[RedtheGOB]

Kingz has been our in-conference MVP or at least MIP.

In conference his PER is 18.0 in conference and his TS% is 62.2%.

I would kill to get him back.

Same. He is the perfect role player to plug in. He also strikes me as a player that is continually improving. His 3 point shooting issues I look at as a symptom of a crappy offense.

He should’ve always been a guy going 4 for 6 from 3 most games and then we asked him to be the best defensive player AND the featured player on the offense taking the most shots.

 

[phil77]

So we are all focused on BH or Hop right now and I get it but who are the other real candidates? I know it’s a little out there but how about Bobby Hurley or either one of UConn’s top two assistants?

The biggest problem we are going to have now with other candidates is that they are going to come in and ask about our NIL situation etc...

Hopkins is bringing NIL to the table to increase what we have already
Hodgson is also doing the same

So any candidate is going to be at a massive disadvantage if it has already gotten to that point with Hopkins and Hodgson.

Hopkins and Hodgson are already talking about increasing what NIL we already have and bringing new money to the table, while other coaching candidates will be asking us about our donor base and how much NIL they should expect.

 

[RedtheGOB]

The "other" candidates on the list are supposedly much lower profile names...

Am I on the list? Are you on the list? Maybe we don’t even know. I don’t usually check voicemails from unknown 315 #’s maybe I should.

 

[Jake]

FWIW, I believe there is optimism should Kingz request an extra year.

 

[RF2044]

Even if SU gets an up and comer for $2m, the only way he stays at that price is if he flops. If he succeeds, SU will have to pay multiples of that number for future contracts. The 50-year JB alumni discount is over. The cost would be made up in ticket sales in a full Dome. If too short sighted or unwilling to do that, it's just a feeder program and SU should just go down a level.

And alternatively, if they succeed then attendance will surge. Gate revenue will increase dramatically. The fan base will be far more engaged. We'll be relevant again nationally, and get lots of favorable publicity. And it will be far easier to pay the new coach what they're worth. Because it will translate into positive gains for the University.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Are you okay? No reason for them to be aggressive with you.

 

[TommyA13]

FWIW, I believe there is optimism should Kingz request an extra year.

Will he come back here is the next question

 

[kingtidge]

Am I on the list? Are you on the list? Maybe we don’t even know. I don’t usually check voicemails from unknown 315 #’s maybe I should.

You absolutely should...

You've been ignoring your car's expired warranty for WAY too long...

 

[phil77]

FWIW, I believe there is optimism should Kingz request an extra year.

Oh man his play style would be amazing in Hodgson's system

 

[Jake]

Will he come back here is the next question

Very good q.

 

[23Zone]

Can we just hire Hodgson already and be done with all this foreplay

Just when I thought that pro-Hopkins Syracuse HC post was bad, wow this is even worse

I concur

 

[JDubbin]

I just want to jump in & add that I enjoy this thread so much, because of the consistent & continuous number of posts it really reads like a good novel. Every few hours, I’ll get comfy on the couch & read the next “chapter.” - it’s been awesome!

Also, I have read every post in this thread & plan to have the perfect read record by the time it’s done. Balling

 

[sufan59]

Oh man his play style would be amazing in Hodgson's system

For sure, I would be shocked if Kingz isn’t a priority for Hodgson to retain, though business and vibes don’t always click even if something seems like a perfect fit on surface. They actually have so many things in common from their personal life from foster care to adoption, but also their basketball lives, they both started at the lowest of levels basically and worked their way up. It has the makings of one incredible March Madness story. But again having so much in common doesn’t mean I want to play for you, building friendship on things that you have in common doesn’t also always mean I want to play for you either. But this fan is rooting for it to happen and understands if it doesn’t. Because that is College Basketball in 2026 when a coaching change happens. I would root for him wherever he goes though. His story is too inspiring.

 

[RedtheGOB]

FWIW, I believe there is optimism should Kingz request an extra year.

Sick. Can we get him to change his name again maybe?

Kingz Part Deux or how about Kingz 2 Fast 2 Furious

 

[007]

Agreed, salary compensation will not be an issue, total financial support is the issue some have.

Hopefully, the significant loss of revenue has served as a wake up call. Always late to the party...

 

[Jimmy]

Very good q.

If hodgson is the coach yes if hop is the coach not a shot

 

[djorange1989]

Good interview, smart guy with good insight

 

[2B20Again]

I agree, but just for fun, I took a look at his 3 years he has played 6 P4 games and is 1-5 in those game but here is the kicker, they are all on the road, and he has played Alabama every year. So he is 1-5 against P4 school playing only on the road as a MM school not horrible.

Also just for fun, he smashed Schertz last year in the NIT by 25 points.
And beat Utah State and Calhoun this year at home holding them to only 61 points

BH is obviously interested in (and wants) the HC job, but does that also mean he’d take a pay cut (turning down higher offers elsewhere)