Coach Search Options after Autry

[LAorange44]

Damn if Hop and Melo pull this off, they understand the modern game more than you will ever know. Game passed them by???? Nonsense. Real G’s move in silence like Gbinije.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I was just thinking about failed coaches that went on to become big winners. You guys might be too young to remember the NY papers when Joe Torre got hired by the Yankees. Or the reaction in Boston when Terry Franconia was hired by the Red Sox. Throw Bill B in to that as well with the Pats. People can learn and they can get better. That isn't to say I would hire Hop. I wouldn't. But the amount of Nil that we are talking is eye opening. Is it a sugar high? 100% yes. Is it the long term answer, I think not. But I have been wrong before and so has everyone on this board. The good thing is the answer is coming. Sooner rather than later.

can you provied any examples from NCAABB?

 

[Trueblue25]

how many successful coaches outsource the mental part of the job?

How many sports have made a pivot as significant, and rapid, as NIL and the portal?

Coaches are CEO’s now. We going to pretend we’re better when Fran makes all the decisions in football? Hurley lets Murray coach and determine the offense. We’re boxing ourselves in deciding we need another HOF coach, or maverick. Get someone who can build us a modern program, thats our shot. Likelihood is Hops not that guy. But we have to change how we think of HC’s.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Lately, I've been thinking more and more about how Syracuse reminds me of my Pittsburgh Steelers. Organizations that are afraid of change, clinging to the status quo, and frankly being frugal, convincing themselves that sustained success (i.e., just being average) justified standing still. It's time for a total reset. At least in the Steeler's case, they finally moved on from Tomlin, and for once, there's actually optimism. Hoping the same for Syracuse in that a new hire will bring in fresh ideas and is "outside of the family." Just give the fanbase a reason to believe again and provide hope.

NFL is rigged and scripted FYI

 

[orangepassion]

Is the Shark about to learn that there is always a bigger fish out there?!?!?! Stay tuned folks. Hold on to your butts.

I don't think I've ever put anyone on ignore before-Congrats!

 

[orangepassion]

Wildhack is simply waiting to be told what the decision is so he can announce it.

Then why even have an AD?

 

[RedtheGOB]

The only thing that makes sense is he knows if he can get Hop hired he can control more of what happens with the team, how his son is used and have more access all the way around.

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

 

[Cusefan0307]

How many sports have made a pivot as significant, and rapid, as NIL and the portal?

Coaches are CEO’s now. We going to pretend we’re better when Fran makes all the decisions in football? Hurley lets Murray coach and determine the offense. We’re boxing ourselves in deciding we need another HOF coach, or maverick. Get someone who can build us a modern program, thats our shot. Likelihood is Hops not that guy. But we have to change how we think of HC’s.

Correct, Hodgson is. That’s why this is so maddening.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I'm a little surprised that Melo and crew would hitch their wagon to Hop. Everyone likes Hop, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a Head Coach. Same with Wayne Morgan and Rob Murphy and nobody has ever mentioned them.

Wayne Morgan had a good career. He, like Hop, was an excellent recruiter. He took over as head coach after Larry Eustachy was let go because of scandal after being his assistant. He led Iowa St to an NCAA tournament bid and a NIT bid in 2 of his 3 seasons there.He had a 55-39 record at Iowa St. Creightons Greg McDermott followed him as head coach at Iowa St and left with a 59-68 record before heading to Creighton. Before Iowa St, Morgan was head coach of Long Beach St and had a 175-91 head coaching record there.

Wayne Morgan (basketball) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Trueblue25]

Correct, Hodgson is. That’s why this is so maddening.

And I prefer Hodgson as the #1 guy if it were up to me.

 

[kingtidge]

Damn if Hop and Melo pull this off, they understand the modern game more than you will ever know. Game passed them by???? Nonsense. Real G’s move in silence like Gbinije.

Would have nothing to do with understanding the modern game and EVERYTHING to do with understanding how to pull the levers of INCOMPETENCE on the hill...

 

[Orangezoo]

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

Who those assistants would be however then is the key to everything. It can’t be a staff like we have now or even worse like what Hop had at UW. Effectively you need an OC and DC along with maxing out the coaching slots available to go with that can actually contribute and elevate the staff not just fill a spot with a few defined roles.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

If Hop is the coach they better at least keep Alex Kline. I don’t trust Hops judge for talent either. Too defensive focused.

 

[orangepassion]

The only thing that makes sense is he knows if he can get Hop hired he can control more of what happens with the team, how his son is used and have more access all the way around.

Yes, where was all this support for Hop 3 years ago after JB stepped down before Kiyan got here?

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[Scotch]

Washington is also 27-42 since Hopper left. Maybe there are some systemic issues in the programs

Mike, chill.

 

[Cusefan78]

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

My worry if it’s the hop route, where does the money come from after his son is done at su. The 30 million figure I heard he’s offering won’t last long. Can hop raise big money yearly? With hodgson at least we get a guy than a turn around a program. I’m also worried that Hopkins east coast contacts being dried up. He’s been gone for a long time. I think hodgson is much safer bet.

 

[orangepassion]

The best of both worlds would be Hodgson as HC and give HOP a promotion from where he is now to associate HC. Don't know if Hodgson would go for it, but if he would, tons of support and an excellent Head Coach.

 

[kingtidge]

My worry if it’s the hop route, where does the money come from after his son is done at su. The 30 million figure I heard he’s offering won’t last long. Can hop raise big money yearly? With hodgson at least we get a guy than a turn around a program. I’m also worried that Hopkins east coast contacts being dried up. He’s been gone for a long time. I think hodgson is much safer bet.

The approach is so short-sighted, it really is morbidly comical...

I PRAY this is all being floated as a litmus test for the fanbase to gauge reaction first for the final decision...

I FEAR that they could really care less about what the fans think and that they can force through whomever they want and sell it to the fans regardless, later.

If so, I think that last part is gonna be a lot harder than they are planning for and the leash on Hop is going to be a 1-foot choke chain from day 1.

 

[CuseCPT]

With Melo$ connection$ he has to have a better choice than Hop. The whole thing is odd.

It’s almost like having lots of money and the interests of your child involved doesn’t guarantee good, objective decision making. Crazy!

 

[Cusefan78]

The approach is so short-sighted, it really is morbidly comical...

Yeah that’s my thought. If it’s hop the need to score a monster portal class year one is a must. The clock is ticking. They only have 3 years of Melo money and I bet it’s only two as he leaves after his junior year.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Even with money we are going to have to overpay players. Who wants to take a chance coming to a coach that struggled to average 70 ppg playing an offense designed for 1995 where his teams shoot 30% from 3 each season no matter the players. It’s so stupid I can’t even believe it’s got to the point of legitimate discussion. And we didn’t even get to discussing the zone.

i thought i was in the twilight zone for a sec coming on here and reading so much about Hop...

...and then reading about him being Melos choice...

after some thought, it makes a bit of sense

my theory:

Kiyan cant cover anyone 1 on 1...he needs zone...hop is a zone coach...

IF you need a zone coach...who else would you get for Cuse?

i dont want zone and i dont thik many do...but hop at least has experience coaching it

so Melo would be willing to donate heavy to rationalize it, most likely...as long as Kiyan gets guaranteed heavy minutes...which Hop would be more than willing to promise to get the job

If Melo is backing Hop, maybe its not about the Cuse, but about his son (i genuinely beleive that melo cares deeply about resurrecting the program but family comes first)

 

[Sherman20]

I can say this with certainty - Melo has a package of $30 million (and growing) lined up for Hop. This includes nba players, local guys and a few that have never donated to cuse ever before. The plan is to front load that money for the first 2 years to immediately become relevant. But that’s what the deal is for Hop from Melo.

I wish Melo was aware of what a poor track record Hop has as an offensive and defensive coach when it comes to modern schemes and sets using analytics and data then being able to teach those to his team. And I honestly don’t think his time in the NBA is gonna help, because NBA offenses are so different due to the talent level.

 

[PoppyHart]

I have it on good authority that the university, in conjunction with its renowned marketing department, is going to make a major announcement regarding the head men’s basketball coaching position very soon.

The day after the Pitt game, on March 3rd, the plan is to announce that Red Autry will not be returning in 2026-27.

The following day, and continuing in 14 day increments, they will release the surname of the new hire ONE letter at a time, culminating with the third letter reveal on April 1st.

Anybody who is dyslexic should proceed with the utmost caution.

 

[Sherman20]

Reading this thread today and seeing that Lyke and Hopkins both have great chances of being the AD and HC have almost made me want to cry. I wish I was kidding, but that’s how bad I’d feel if they’re hired.

It’s gonna be so depressing to go through another 3-5 years of crap basketball. I can’t do it. At this point, I’m increasingly angry at JB for holding this program hostage for so many years at such a pivotal time.