Coach Search Options after Autry

[LpoolNative]

The Lally's have the better coach to bring to the table though lol. Same thing with what Football needed.

Fran has done a great job thus far.

 

[sufan59]

Fran has done a great job thus far.

Fran has done a great job overall, didn't handle the adversity of losing Angeli in season well which affected the rest of last season, but I feel like they've done a good job making the moves they've needed to in the coaching moves and the portal. We will see what happens. He was the right hire for Syracuse Football, recruiting is better than it's been in over 25 years atleast. Syracuse Football while it does have impressive history in the 20th century is not the same as our 5th most winningest men's basketball program. Fran is 13-12, but started 13-4. Mods, this is all the football I will mention here.

 

[Chip]

I just skipped a bunch of pages, but last I saw the Lallys and Team Carmelo are in a bidding war for their favorite Ho? (Ho is Jake's patent).

May the highest bidder win.

 

[Briancuse]

Fran has done a great job thus far.

He did a great job year one. He gets a bit of a pass last year losing his qb, and wildhack screwing him giving him that schedule. This year is a big year he has to get to a bowl game or the bloom will be off the rose.

 

[phsyra]

Fran has done a great job thus far.

love fran, but he gets a few demerits for last year. Dont want the bball coach to be that inexperienced. see 70-7 Notre Dame game

 

[CardiacCuse]

Does anybody else remember a mere couple of months ago folks were deferring to Melo as somebody who had the expertise to recommend a coach to the school due to his playing career. What changed?

hes supporting a dud (apparently)

Which is why Hopkins's candidacy for our opening is bizarre, and not supported by logic [beyond some higher ups "liking" him from his time here, 10 years ago -- when college basketball was fundamentally different than it is now].

We dropped the ball with the Red hire, because he was unqualified.

And it seems like there is a subset of the BoT and donors who are rushing toward making the same exact mistake again. Like Red this year, Hopkins had talent at UW -- perhaps more talent than we have, given McDaniel and the big from Rochester, both of whom fast tracked to being NBA starters -- and he posted a losing record. This should be a cautionary red flag about his X's and O's.

perhaps: JB wants to make up for not letting Hop get the job and is supporting him behind closed doors and since they didnt listen to him last time and picked red over gmac, he is getting listened to this time...plus melo wants hop bc he knows kiyan will get playing time guaranteed

 

[BomberOrange]

I have been a fan since Roy's runts. I have bled orange since then.
Thru the many highs and the recent lows.
Things could have gone better at the end with JB but I was never ashamed of the team while he was there, still went to all the games and still watched even tough games with the belief that we always had a good chance to win. Cussed out the universe when Buddy was suspended a game and thus we lost our final game that year. Always felt with Jim's teams that there was always a sense of hope that he could pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Fan bases live on hope and belief that things will get better next year.

I have never ever felt that way with Red, and this last year it has been really hard to drag my ass to my seats and sometimes on away games drag my butt in front of the TV.

I am sure that deep down Red cares about the team but dear God his press conferences are so vanilla, so bland, so meh that hope dies, albeit a slow death.

I want a coach that cares, that knows how to coach, that can change our awful culture, that can make the players play their hearts out.
That can restore hope to all of us.

Perhaps that is the main reason that I would love to see GMAC as coach because, if nothing else, he would care and show it, he would change the culture, he would make the players play hard and tough like he did when he was at SU and won the national championship.

But it is probably too soon for him to take on this massive project so I understand if people want to go elsewhere for a coach.

Is it Hop? I never watched any Washington games so I have no idea why he went off the rails after 2 years of winning coach of the year.

Can he restore hope? The only thing that I am sure of is if Melo dumps 15 to 20 million of money a year into the program that we will have at least a 2 to 3 year ride where we wont be ashamed to admit we are SU fans and wont be watching TV games thru half closed eyes. I do believe that Hop is good enough with that kind of backing to at least get us back to the NCAAT. Then, even after Melo leaves after 3 years, we will at least have a new winning tradition that perhaps we can build on.

Is it BH? I know nothing about the dude except he appears to be highly respected by many in the know on this board. It seems his only negative is he wont bring the kind of money Melo can and will have to probably make due with a 3rd of the financial support that Hop can bring.

So, the question is for me, who will have the better results over the next 3 years.
Hop with all the money thrown into players and assistant coaches, or BH with a lower level of player talent and assistant talent because of less funds.

Honestly, at this point, I am sick of waiting for results. These last 2 years have been one long nightmare, and 3 years ago with the unmanageable team wasn't much better.

The issue I feel is that some are seeing the $$$, when it really boils down to the coaching. BH has improved programs wherever he has gone both as an assistant and a HC. Hop has not. Hop is trying to play the financial game, while enticing, isn’t everything. As many posters have pointed out, look at UK.

 

[phsyra]

We need someone who can teach fundamentals and man to man defense...I cant imagine that person is Hop

 

[qdawgg]

With Melo$ connection$ he has to have a better choice than Hop. The whole thing is odd.

The only thing that makes sense is he knows if he can get Hop hired he can control more of what happens with the team, how his son is used and have more access all the way around.

 

[LAorange44]

Damn if Hop and Melo pull this off, they understand the modern game more than you will ever know. Game passed them by???? Nonsense. Real G’s move in silence like Gbinije.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I was just thinking about failed coaches that went on to become big winners. You guys might be too young to remember the NY papers when Joe Torre got hired by the Yankees. Or the reaction in Boston when Terry Franconia was hired by the Red Sox. Throw Bill B in to that as well with the Pats. People can learn and they can get better. That isn't to say I would hire Hop. I wouldn't. But the amount of Nil that we are talking is eye opening. Is it a sugar high? 100% yes. Is it the long term answer, I think not. But I have been wrong before and so has everyone on this board. The good thing is the answer is coming. Sooner rather than later.

can you provied any examples from NCAABB?

 

[Trueblue25]

how many successful coaches outsource the mental part of the job?

How many sports have made a pivot as significant, and rapid, as NIL and the portal?

Coaches are CEO’s now. We going to pretend we’re better when Fran makes all the decisions in football? Hurley lets Murray coach and determine the offense. We’re boxing ourselves in deciding we need another HOF coach, or maverick. Get someone who can build us a modern program, thats our shot. Likelihood is Hops not that guy. But we have to change how we think of HC’s.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Lately, I've been thinking more and more about how Syracuse reminds me of my Pittsburgh Steelers. Organizations that are afraid of change, clinging to the status quo, and frankly being frugal, convincing themselves that sustained success (i.e., just being average) justified standing still. It's time for a total reset. At least in the Steeler's case, they finally moved on from Tomlin, and for once, there's actually optimism. Hoping the same for Syracuse in that a new hire will bring in fresh ideas and is "outside of the family." Just give the fanbase a reason to believe again and provide hope.

NFL is rigged and scripted FYI

 

[orangepassion]

Is the Shark about to learn that there is always a bigger fish out there?!?!?! Stay tuned folks. Hold on to your butts.

I don't think I've ever put anyone on ignore before-Congrats!

 

[orangepassion]

Wildhack is simply waiting to be told what the decision is so he can announce it.

Then why even have an AD?

 

[RedtheGOB]

The only thing that makes sense is he knows if he can get Hop hired he can control more of what happens with the team, how his son is used and have more access all the way around.

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

 

[Cusefan0307]

How many sports have made a pivot as significant, and rapid, as NIL and the portal?

Coaches are CEO’s now. We going to pretend we’re better when Fran makes all the decisions in football? Hurley lets Murray coach and determine the offense. We’re boxing ourselves in deciding we need another HOF coach, or maverick. Get someone who can build us a modern program, thats our shot. Likelihood is Hops not that guy. But we have to change how we think of HC’s.

Correct, Hodgson is. That’s why this is so maddening.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I'm a little surprised that Melo and crew would hitch their wagon to Hop. Everyone likes Hop, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a Head Coach. Same with Wayne Morgan and Rob Murphy and nobody has ever mentioned them.

Wayne Morgan had a good career. He, like Hop, was an excellent recruiter. He took over as head coach after Larry Eustachy was let go because of scandal after being his assistant. He led Iowa St to an NCAA tournament bid and a NIT bid in 2 of his 3 seasons there.He had a 55-39 record at Iowa St. Creightons Greg McDermott followed him as head coach at Iowa St and left with a 59-68 record before heading to Creighton. Before Iowa St, Morgan was head coach of Long Beach St and had a 175-91 head coaching record there.

Wayne Morgan (basketball) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Trueblue25]

Correct, Hodgson is. That’s why this is so maddening.

And I prefer Hodgson as the #1 guy if it were up to me.

 

[kingtidge]

Damn if Hop and Melo pull this off, they understand the modern game more than you will ever know. Game passed them by???? Nonsense. Real G’s move in silence like Gbinije.

Would have nothing to do with understanding the modern game and EVERYTHING to do with understanding how to pull the levers of INCOMPETENCE on the hill...

 

[Orangezoo]

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

Who those assistants would be however then is the key to everything. It can’t be a staff like we have now or even worse like what Hop had at UW. Effectively you need an OC and DC along with maxing out the coaching slots available to go with that can actually contribute and elevate the staff not just fill a spot with a few defined roles.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So would it be an accurate description to say the Melo / Hopkins plan is to basically install Hop as like a GM / recruiter and we hope that the portal talent we get is just so far ahead the competition that we don’t need an offense or a gameday coach. Rely on the assistants and players to just figure out what works.

Then on the other side of the fence we have the new blood in BH. Better at everything across the board as a HC but more of a wildcard and less donor support upfront.

If Hop is the coach they better at least keep Alex Kline. I don’t trust Hops judge for talent either. Too defensive focused.

 

[orangepassion]

The only thing that makes sense is he knows if he can get Hop hired he can control more of what happens with the team, how his son is used and have more access all the way around.

Yes, where was all this support for Hop 3 years ago after JB stepped down before Kiyan got here?

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[Scotch]

Washington is also 27-42 since Hopper left. Maybe there are some systemic issues in the programs

Mike, chill.