Coach Search Options after Autry

[orangepassion]

I'm not needed, the university is already ruining everything.

Just be ready if we need you

 

[BomberOrange]

Stop making sense.

Covid was two years? Hell let’s just make it 5 and we can loop Reds tenure in there, use the covid excuse and give him another year.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Just sent John an email.

Hopefully you told him to take the temperature of this place

 

[RedtheGOB]

Can anyone please explain for those of us who are less knowledgeable what happened with Hop in Washington? Why so many have decided he was a failure as a head coach and we would be unleashing the apocalypse if he was hired here?

I know he was his leagues coach of the year his first two years. He went 48-22 those years.
Seems to me that is pretty damn good.

Then came Covid and his record for those 2 years was horrific but I dont blame him for that - there were horrific records all over the country. The two Covid years were a combined 20-38. Again I completely discount all of this.

The next 3 years he went 50-46. Respectable, nothing great.

Since he left Washington went 13-18, and are currently 14-14. This is Red level of ineptitude.

Seems to me there is more going on here than Hop suddenly forgot how to coach.

Listen, I have no problem believing BH is a better coach, as is Scherz.
I also believe GMAC is better than Hop.

But nothing in his Washington record suggests he is the second coming of Red.
You don't win coach of the year in your league, let alone twice, if you are a bad coach.

Again, Hop is not my first choice, or even my second choice.
But if he can bring twice or three times the NIL money as BH, I think he has enough coaching ability to get results and get us back to the NCAAT.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am not going to refuse to renew my season tickets if they choose Hop and the higher NIL.

It’s a valid comment. I have not watched anything Hopkins did in Washington so am trying not to opine on his time there much. Wins and losses talk the most anyway.

Honestly I’m not happy about the drama but I also need to see the players we get in the portal. I said before if we roll in the countries top point guard and center then maybe the shortcomings of either of the candidates may not seem so terrible.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Sadly, I am finding that during Ramadan many establishments are only serving alcohol discreetly, hence me having to room service the beers.

Where do you live?

 

[Scooch]

Stop making sense.

That post makes no sense.

As others have noted, COVID didn't impact the 2020 regular season at all. "Back 9" Boeheim made the S16 in 2021, but we're supposed to give Hop a pass that season?

Meanwhile 2022, 2023 and 2024 were lousy. 3 year COVID hangover?

Hop's a nice guy and his tenure at UW was a big flop. There's no rationalizations for that.

If you want to hire him anyway, that's a choice. But he stunk in UW for 5 years.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If the University decides Hop should get the job, they better not go more than three years with no buyout. The days of five year contracts should be over. The portal changes everything.

 

[RedtheGOB]

And the best we could hire under Red were Brendan Straughn and Dan Englestad.

We don’t talk about this enough. I’m not even sure Englestad is a person. If they put some random fan on the bench in his spot I would have no idea and I don’t think it would impact the game one bit.

 

[phil77]

Yep. I don't know if Hop was bad at NIL, I wasn't following him at all. But his last 3 years in Seattle were lousy. And the 2 before that.

Like I said the other day, he hasn't been around a successful basketball program since 2019.

Dont worry Melo going to give him one time lump sum of 30 mil for NIL and that will make him a good coach. What happens if he spends it all year 1?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

If that number is accurate - and not including revenue share or money from Vegas - Syracuse would likely have the biggest NIL budget in CBB for two years. I get why people are not on board with Hop but it’s hard to turn that down.

And what happens then,with ou plodding style, 2/3 zone, and losing record

 

[CuseCPT]

Fair enough. A lot of the highest paid teams have underachieved. I don’t understand why people haven’t looked at certain programs with good coaching and without unlimited budgets and think we couldn’t be them. I mean Iowa State and Houston were two of those schools we played this year.

I don't get it. People watch teams like all those Pay Pal Cal UK teams flame out of the tourney, or Rutgers with 2 top 10 recruits last season and SU fans are like, "Man, THAT'S what we need here!" while completely ignoring the existence of well coached teams with sane NIL budgets and coherent identities competing just fine in the modern game.

If we have Hop and $30m or whatever, I fully expect a team of overpaid mercenaries competing with each other for stats as we scrape into the tournament and lose in the first round.

 

[Cusefan69]

So who

Say Hop is coach and spends 12 million on a roster next year. I would expect nothing less than a top 10 ranking, a top 3 seed, and a top 3 ACC finish. Anything else would be a failure. There would be no grace period. No excuses. It’s win now only.

And out of curiosity what if it's BH? Lots of people saying he just needs one year to turn it around. He has been presented that he also would recruit great and bring in plenty of Nil. It's been mentioned he would bring a couple of studs from his current team. Lally supports him. Same expectations? And don't tell me his up tempo will be fun even if he doesn't win. To me any coach coming in has to have high expectations cuz we already have cratered for awhile now. There's no long runways for anyone at this point.

 

[RedtheGOB]

If the University decides Hop should get the job, they better not go more than three years with no buyout. The days of five year contracts should be over. The portal changes everything.

I suspect that with the scary stories about Lyke that this may be a bigger thing that we thought.

BH and the other AD candidates have jobs and contracts and expect to be compensated well because other places will also pay them well.

Guess who does not expect to be paid well and have their buyouts paid for because they have no other prospects. Ding ding Hop and Lyke.

 

[Scooch]

Dont worry Melo going to give him one time lump sum of 30 mil for NIL and that will make him a good coach. What happens if he spends it all year 1?

Put that in a high yield savings account any by year 3 we’ll finally be able to afford Dakota Laffew.

 

[phil77]

I don't get it. People watch teams like all those Pay Pal Cal UK teams flame out of the tourney, or Rutgers with 2 top 10 recruits last season and SU fans are like, "Man, THAT'S what we need here!" while completely ignoring the existence of well coached teams with sane NIL budgets and coherent identities competing just fine in the modern game.

If we have Hop and $30m or whatever, I fully expect a team of overpaid mercenaries competing with each other for stats as we scrape into the tournament and lose in the first round.

It's because his name is Hopkins and he played and coached here, that is the only REASON. PERIOD full stop. He has been out of college basketball for multiple years. He hasn't recruited the East Coast for almost a decade now and hasnt been apart of a winning college program since 2019. If his name wasn't HOPKINS, his offseason would involve getting fired from his player development gig for the Pelicans and that might be the end of the road.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

She could be your uncle if she’s so chose even without the balls

 

[Cusefan0307]

So who

And out of curiosity what if it's BH? Lots of people saying he just needs one year to turn it around. He has been presented that he also would recruit great and bring in plenty of Nil. It's been mentioned he would bring a couple of studs from his current team. Lally supports him. Same expectations? And don't tell me his up tempo will be fun even if he doesn't win. To me any coach coming in has to have high expectations cuz we already have cratered for awhile now. There's no long runways for anyone at this point.

BH will get more leeway. He has to build infrastructure. Hurley and Golden didn’t win right away.

 

[LAorange44]

putting money into NIL instead of buyouts, even for the so-called Shark, is a good thing.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

? Why didn’t Melo raise the 30 million to make sure his kid had enough players around him so he could win this year?

 

[LAorange44]

It's because his name is Hopkins and he played and coached here, that is the only REASON. PERIOD full stop. He has been out of college basketball for multiple years. He hasn't recruited the East Coast for almost a decade now and hasnt been apart of a winning college program since 2019. If his name wasn't HOPKINS, his offseason would involve getting fired from his player development gig for the Pelicans and that might be the end of the road.

Life is all about luck, timing, and being the right guy, in the right place, at the right time.

ALL ABOARD THE HOP EXPRESS!!!!!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

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I think wanting experienced, successful assistants is reasonable if Hop would become the HC.

You mean people who can actually coach basketball and win games that be a novel idea

 

[phil77]

So who

And out of curiosity what if it's BH? Lots of people saying he just needs one year to turn it around. He has been presented that he also would recruit great and bring in plenty of Nil. It's been mentioned he would bring a couple of studs from his current team. Lally supports him. Same expectations? And don't tell me his up tempo will be fun even if he doesn't win. To me any coach coming in has to have high expectations cuz we already have cratered for awhile now. There's no long runways for anyone at this point.

My expectations for BH year 1 would be different because he wouldn't have 30 million dollars backing him. In YR 1 I would want to see BH make the team compete on both ends of the floor, successfully changing the culture in the program. I want to see the actual defensive and offensive systems installed. And I would expect us not to have a losing season doing this.

YR 2 and going forward I would expect the tournament again, no exceptions every year. Any year after YR 1 that isn't a tournament team would be a failure.

That would be my expectations for anyone who isn't a continuity hire with 30 million dollars backing them

 

[grepal]

“he lets Murray plan and run the offense.”
This is wildly overstated. Hurley empowered Murray and they structured recruiting and player acquisition around their offensive (and defensive) identity. Hurley is very much involved with every detail. My issue is that Hop had 7 years to modernize his offense and implement a vision or hire an offensive guru and he failed. Unless Hop comes in with a brilliant roadmap and vision for the program—including upgrading the staff and infrastructure from top to bottom and modernizing the offense based on analytics and advanced stats—then this is just putting lipstick on a pig. Even with that, Hop never implemented such a system and has no experience doing anything other than what JB did at Syracuse, so we shouldn’t even be entertaining this idea.

I think SU will go outside the program this time. Not saying an assistant can't be a part of the staff but SU needs a new start.

 

[GHLF]

1. Haynie 2. Lyke 3. Hodgson If numbers have already been floated. Pure speculation, You cannot let anyone strong arm playing time for nil, If it is not warranted.

 

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