Coach Search Options after Autry

[EnviroSciGuy]

Can’t wait for the meltdown when Hop is hired.

 

[Cusefan69]

It's been documented here before. Started a Recruiting website when he was 14 and partnered with Rivals. He was hired as a consultant by the NBA while still going to school at SU. Hired as full time scout with the Pelicans at graduation. Hired as a full time scout for the Knicks. People are just going to dump on him, so I'm not interested in going over more than that.

WhAt a LoSeR!! kLiNe hAs dONe nOtHiNg! WhAt dOeS tHe NbA kNow oR NbA pRofeSSiOnAl oRgs aNd bUiLdiNg yOuR oWn bUsiNEss iS nOthINg, EsPeCiaLLy aT 14. WHaT a ChUmp! GeT rId oF hIm.
Edit: for those not familiar that is the board sarcasm font. Syracuse having Klines experience is a strength and not a weakness.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Can’t wait for the meltdown when Hop is hired.

It just means we’re delaying a Syracuse basketball resurgence for another 3 or 4 years.

 

[Cuse1055]

Can’t wait for the meltdown when Hop is hired.

Has anyone thought to ask our biggest basketball NIL donor what he thinks and knows? Just saying….

 

[Sherman20]

I agree. I grew up in Syracuse (Westhill). Went to Siena and came back after college. Been down in Lakewood ranch the last 7 years. I would need a godfather type offer to even THINK about coming back north.

The thing is, the south isn’t for everyone. I would never live in the south, culturally and socially. Weather isn’t the be all and end all. Why don’t people get that? And speaking of weather, much of the deep south is unbearable in the summer, whereas the Northeast is wonderful in the spring, summer and fall.

 

[Sherman20]

Pretty certain Hop was seen in Cuse Friday.

Doesn’t he have a pro job rn?

 

[PeteCalvin]

I don’t know Kline from Adam, but I can’t understand the “hate” thrown his way in these threads. The kid is obviously very talented and dialed into the new age of scouting. By all accounts, people here who actually are in the know say that he had a great list of talented portal players prepared for this season. It sounds as though we went after some of them and chose not to go after others to save $$ for the next season. If so, that is Red’s problem and why he is on his way out.

If we are able to keep Kline, I think it’s a plus, especially if we have a staff that’s not afraid to spend the resources we do have. If we don’t want mediocrity, our decisions need to reflect that mentality.

All the responsibility for the failures of this season are on Red’s shoulders, not Kline’s. The kid played his part.

 

[Sherman20]

If Hodgson ends up here. We are going to get serious talent. He’s a really good recruiter. We’ll see what assistants he gets too. He needs at least one closer on staff. If we keep ONE person on this staff I wouldn’t mind it being Straughn. He is a young coach and a really solid recruiter.

Also I’m good with getting rid of EVERYONE else. But wouldn’t mind if we kept Anthony (just perception wise would look bad if Melos kid transferred). Keep White as he’s an athletic freak ooozing potential with the right coach would killlll it. White is also a good defender, hustled and brings the energy which we need in this program. And keep Kingz if he gets another year. Everyone else, respectfully I’m fine if they leave

That’s the thing. Hop is a dynamic personality and was a great recruiter for Syracuse. But Hodgson is the same and built his reputation as a bulldog recruiter, and he’s been in that game more recently. So he neutralizes Hop’s one advantage. In terms of proven system and ability to teach that system, there’s no contest. Hodgson has a proven, fast-paced NBA style system and knows how to teach it (not just as Head coach but when he was helping Oats build Buffalo and Alabama into a power), whereas Hop had 7 years to show his chops at the P5 level and failed. Why risk hiring him again at this level? It’s too important of a hire, and you can’t get it wrong.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Can’t wait for the meltdown when Hop is hired.

I don’t get it. I know Hop and Red aren’t the same, but how can such an influential swath of donors be so ready to get rid of Red that they scrounge up the money for his buyout and at the same time are so eager to go back to the JB assistant well? It doesn’t add up, to me.

 

[Cusefan69]

It just means we’re delaying a Syracuse basketball resurgence for another 3 or 4 years.

By that time the next round of league expansion will have occurred. While having a resurgence in hoops before that happens is not material compared to football, it still wouldn't hurt.

 

[hoopsupstate]

We will know early in the portal if we’re serious about upgrading the talent next year. We have to get difference makers and not role players.

 

[CuseMan4]

That’s the thing. Hop is a dynamic personality and was a great recruiter for Syracuse. But Hodgson is the same and built his reputation as a bulldog recruiter, and he’s been in that game more recently. So he neutralizes Hop’s one advantage. In terms of proven system and ability to teach that system, there’s no contest. Hodgson has a proven, fast-paced NBA style system (not just as Head coach but when he was helping Oats build Buffalo and Alabama into a power), whereas Hop had 7 years to show his chops at the P5 level and failed. Why risk hiring him again at this level? It’s too important of a hire, and you can’t get it wrong.

I know it probably won’t happen. But Hodgson as the head coach and Hop as top assistant. We’d be sooooo back. One can dream right?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I don’t get it. I know Hop and Red aren’t the same, but how can such an influential swath of donors be so ready to get rid of Red that they scrounge up the money for his buyout and at the same time are so eager to go back to the JB assistant well? It doesn’t add up, to me.

Some have said that these donors want to maintain some sort of "ownership" of the program. Fortunately Lally supposedly wants to put money behind Hodgson.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I know it probably won’t happen. But Hodgson as the head coach and Hop as top assistant. We’d be sooooo back. One can dream right?

Hodgson has assistants that are offensive and defensive coordinators on his staff. Hop can’t be either.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Has anyone thought to ask our biggest basketball NIL donor what he thinks and knows? Just saying….

It's not AW but who is it?

 

[FrancoPizza]

no we're not. Milton 2024, flooding totaled 2 cars, my mom's and my in laws.

That’s exactly my point. However bad Milton was - it could be much worse. Think 26 ft storm surge into the Bay.

 

[LAorange44]

What was hop preparing for?

Spending his $30 million war chest

 

[blust2i3d4]

I really hope SU can hire Jay Wright. He will give Syracuse at least five good years. At least we can recover to a credible program 100%. Any other young coaches have different degrees of risk to sink us lower.

 

[blust2i3d4]

If we hire Hop, I think under him, SU will never reach Top 5 of ACC. The ceiling will be the sixth place, under Duke, UNC, Virginia, Louisville and Clemson.

 

[orangepassion]

I've also gone from wanting Schertz first to wanting Hodgson first. It just seems too good to be true for me, so I'm hoping to hell SU doesn't ffff it up.

I'm still Schertz first based on his longer track record, but would also be very happy w/ Hodgson.

 

[Sherman20]

Has there ever been a situation that meets this criteria:

-A coach that wants to be here
-The coach has had early success in his career and is actually qualified for the job
-Coach is young in his coaching career, so he wouldn't break the bank in buyout or contract
-The majority of fans would be happy with this hire

Has any search ever checked all those boxes?
It would make no sense for Syracuse just to go against all that. LOL Like, actually crazy.

This is where I’m at. If we can actually land him, possibly due to his NY state roots, why would we pass him up? He’s going to be one of the hottest coaches on the market, and there isn’t as much competition this year in terms of elite or name brand programs looking for new head coaches. This unique opportunity is staring at us right in the face. Are we really gonna mess it up?

 

[phil77]

This is where I’m at. If we can actually land him, possibly due to his NY state roots, why would we pass him up? He’s going to be one of the hottest coaches on the market, and there isn’t as much competition this year in terms of elite or name brand programs looking for new head coaches. This unique opportunity is staring at us right in the face. Are we really gonna it up?

Yup and because he is one of the hot names and it does fail by chance, Syracuse still did the correct thing.

 

[Sherman20]

Some of the callers to the Syracuse sports talk radio shows are clueless about coaching searches and Hodgson’s success, btw. They’re like, who is this guy? Why would we hire him? They do not understand college basketball outside of SU and maybe the ACC. The myopia is astounding. Like that LockedOn dweeb, I’m sure many of them think we can hire Bruce Pearl, Jay Wright or Tony Bennett. And they’d be fine with Hop over some guy they never heard of like Schertz or Hodge. I really hope this isn’t what the administration is banking on.

 

[Sherman20]

Good to hear, had heard murmurs he wouldnt even entertain

There are ways to make your pitch if you really want a guy. But you have to have a good network and/or prominent people making those overtures. You think Schertz wouldn’t listen if a Mike Tirico, Carmelo Anthony or JB was calling. But for that, Wildhack would have to get all the SU stakeholders on board with said candidate beforehand, and it doesn’t seem like we have any consensus right now.

 

[sweetpea]

I really hope SU can hire Jay Wright. He will give Syracuse at least five good years. At least we can recover to a credible program 100%. Any other young coaches have different degrees of risk to sink us lower.

If Jay says no, then I'm hoping to take a flyer on Jon Scheyer. I'll also take a step down and for settle for Sampson, Self, or Few.