Coach Search Options after Autry

[Bulldog04]

Agreed, so a context Q...

Do you think the PC NIL amount/better job information is legitimate or a bid negotiation ploy by an agent, or something in-between?

It could be both. His interest in cuse for a long time (just like dasher has eluded to) makes it seem like it should be BH. And I’ve been around agents my entire life, they are the slimiest worst people there are so nothing surprises me obviously. It’s all part of the game. But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

 

[DoctahLexus]

This Providence situation really feels like more of a negotiation tool by BH’s team. I’m not saying Providence isn’t legitimately interested or that they don’t have Hodgson high on their list, but BH has wanted this job forever. From what I’ve heard, Syracuse has been pursuing him for two years now, according to Red’s daughter and Kline’s girlfriend.

Because of that, it’s hard for me to see a scenario where Syracuse loses him to Providence over a slightly better NIL situation.

If you’re looking strictly at NIL numbers, then maybe someone could argue that Providence might look comparable or even better in that specific category. But when you step back and look at the total picture, program history, resources, exposure, and overall stature in college basketball, I don’t see how Providence is a better job than Syracuse. Not when you factor everything in.

Even in the period from 2017 to the start of Red coaching, where the consensus is that JB was slowly killing the program and we were wrong not to fire him sooner since things were going so down hill, we went to more sweet 16s than Providence has been to in the last 30 YEARS! 2022 is the only year they have been to the Sweet 16 since 1997. They are both nothing now and have never been anything.

 

[phil77]

I think you can make the argument that PC is a better job right now (not historically). Its not that crazy. More $$ to spend+ less dysfunction + easier conference to win top to bottom = a pretty sweet gig. Now are those things accurate right now? I have zero idea. But if they are, its not a totally insane thought once we take our orange colored glasses off.

If the goal is to win a national title, the ACC is probably the better landing spot. Simply put, it’s easier to get an at-large bid if you win games there. This year, the ACC had eight teams in the tournament while the Big East had only three I am pretty sure.

In the ACC you can be a team like NC State or SMU, have relatively mediocre results, and still make the tournament because of the overall strength and perception of the conference.

With the coaches the ACC has hired recently, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

 

[VikesCuse84]

At this point I have zero faith in the university to not screw this up

 

[orangepassion]

I think if BH passes then we would pivot to GMac at this point. That is why I think it is BH and bust for us and I think BH knows this as well.

I hope not and if we do that's an us problem. There are other good candidates besides those two.

 

[orangecuse]

It’s happening at the moment. Providence is actively negatively recruiting against cuse. And they are providing more money and resources and that’s coming from a super strong source. He actually said “providence is the better job”

Well, he's a...

 

[orangefog]

It could be both. His interest in cuse for a long time (just like dasher has eluded to) makes it seem like it should be BH. And I’ve been around agents my entire life, they are the slimiest worst people there are so nothing surprises me obviously. It’s all part of the game. But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

Would Melo back BH? If he had $30MM over 2 years, that would do it, no? Also, there was another X post by someone saying that the former players just want a winner and are ready to back whoever gets the job.

 

[Orangezoo]

If he wants the job enough, he'll take it. If not, Martelli Jr's resume is excellent. I'm not saying we need to offer it to Martelli, just have a conversation. Let's not get locked into one guy and be scrambling if it doesn't work.

I don’t disagree at all- just that losing option one because of self inflicted organizational and donor stupidity is a setback even if it’s more than smart to be looking hard at such other options like Martelli Jr

 

[phil77]

It could be both. His interest in cuse for a long time (just like dasher has eluded to) makes it seem like it should be BH. And I’ve been around agents my entire life, they are the slimiest worst people there are so nothing surprises me obviously. It’s all part of the game. But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

Did you just call dasher slimy and a terrible person LOL

 

[Starman]

What's the rumored amount of nil that Hodgson wants? 12 mil? I feel like if we hit that number then that might change things as far as which coaches are interested in the job. I've VERY pro Hodgson, but ready to pivot if we get lucky with a better option.

 

[BomberOrange]

It could be both. His interest in cuse for a long time (just like dasher has eluded to) makes it seem like it should be BH. And I’ve been around agents my entire life, they are the slimiest worst people there are so nothing surprises me obviously. It’s all part of the game. But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

I like that we know the number. Now it’s up to the powers that be to secure it and get us our coach. Would be embarrassing to lose out to PC knowing the number we have to hit

 

[kingtidge]

It could be both. His interest in cuse for a long time (just like dasher has eluded to) makes it seem like it should be BH. And I’ve been around agents my entire life, they are the slimiest worst people there are so nothing surprises me obviously. It’s all part of the game. But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

OK, thx.

Any idea on what the requested number is?

 

[Cuse2023]

Would Melo back BH? If he had $30MM over 2 years, that would do it, no? Also, there was another X post by someone saying that the former players just want a winner and are ready to back whoever gets the job.

Just stating a fact here, and I don’t mean this to step on anybody’s toes, but the $30MM Melo and Hopkins situation was completely fabricated.

I don’t think that means you need to attack the people who share info on here. Sometimes even the best get bad info every once in a while.

 

[djorange1989]

I hope not. There are other good candidates besides those two.

Yep Martelli Jr should be next up

 

[orangefog]

OK, thx.

Any idea on what the requested number is?

 

[baggerbob]

I share the information given to me. Whether its “right or wrong” I don’t care. They aren’t predictions. They are information. Isn’t this a talking/message board ?
Was Rippey in a good spot when I literally met him griff and his dad at melo center before the football game on his visit. Yeah it was pretty apparent what his dad told me about cuse. Not sure how else to put that. And PEOPLE go off the rails, I don’t have any part of that

Look I'm sure that's what your source is being told I get that. But if this guy is who we think he is there is no way he is going to go to Providence. This is the type of guy who doesn't just want to be in the big dance, he wants to win it all. And the only school out there where he has that chance is here and he knows it.
This is a money and resources play good for
him exactly the type of coach we need.
Now its up to all the big money people to take their egos and shove them where the son don't shine and give him the money and resources he needs and get him signed.

 

[nyucuse]

I think if BH passes then we would pivot to GMac at this point. That is why I think it is BH and bust for us and I think BH knows this as well.

My instinct is that there are more players in play here than just these two. I think and hope that we would pivot to an unknown but more proven coach before we go to GMac

 

[Bulldog04]

Just stating a fact here, and I don’t mean this to step on anybody’s toes, but the $30MM Melo and Hopkins situation was completely fabricated.

I don’t think that means you need to attack the people who share info on here. Sometimes even the best get bad info every once in a while.

I don’t know if it was fabricated but I know it had something to do with Lallys name being on the melo center and some divisiveness being had there during all that. Could have been a vengeful play based on melo being pissed and not wanting to get bullied by Lally. Again, that came from someone close to melo and shared with me.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I think you can make the argument that PC is a better job right now (not historically). Its not that crazy. More $$ to spend+ less dysfunction + easier conference to win top to bottom = a pretty sweet gig. Now are those things accurate right now? I have zero idea. But if they are, its not a totally insane thought once we take our orange colored glasses off.

Do we know there is less dysfunction there? Yes we have some, but they had the whole saga with Cooley leaving and lawsuits not that long ago.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Providence is a better job than Syracuse on Pluto. Their previous coach abandoned them for Gtown.

Drugs are strong.

If you take a look at the PC fan posts pushing BH I get a chuckle because they get so many comments about how they're not even the best basketball program in the state from Rhode Island Rams people ha

 

[cardiac]

We have lost a lot of insiders with great information because of people like you. So, if you don't understand how this works, shut the hell up.

It's simple: if you consistently get things wrong, you are not an insider. He openly admitted he does not care whether his takes are right or wrong.

 

[sufan59]

Look I'm sure that's what your source is being told I get that. But if this guy is who we think he is there is no way he is going to go to Providence. This is the type of guy who doesn't just want to be in the big dance, he wants to win it all. And the only school out there where he has that chance is here and he knows it.
This is a money and resources play good for
him exactly the type of coach we need.
Now its up to all the big money people to take their egos and shove them where the son don't shine and give him the money and resources he needs and get him signed.

 

[illi3]

Do we know there is less dysfunction there? Yes we have some, but they had the whole saga with Cooley leaving and lawsuits not that long ago.

As I said in the post, I have zero clue. But it certainly sounds like they are selling with all of those claims, true or not.

 

[rrlbees]

But I know BH is requesting a specific number from Cuse for resources. He knows the number. He asked for it. Well see what happens

just wanted to highlight this part.

 

[OptimusOtto]

Ok, well atleast not directly from BH mouth directly, though that answer is coming officially soon lol. I don't disagree in this very moment that Providence is on par or maybe even a slightly better job than Syracuse. IF you are planning to leave Providence in 5 years. What's the realistic ceiling at Providence

Making the tournament every other year, winning the conference once and making 1 sweet 16 before parlaying it into a bigger job.