Coach Search Options after Autry

[orangefog]

sure, but you need staff to sell those deals. We haven't added any new folks to actually do that work. The current marketing people have their lane. The fundraisers have theirs. They haven't changed how they work.

Ok ok, I get it. I’m in. I’ll start making some calls.

Btw, I’m a natural born salesman. I could sell assless chaps to sdhall01 and Toga . IFYKYK.

 

[dasher]

Id be thrilled with a Calhoun or martelli, want no part of Holloway.

Calhoun is going to Cinn.

 

[Fly Rodder]

you use a lot of words to make things up. I'm talking about the post you made 1 hour ago in response to me.

and if its "duh" about me saying the question would be asked, then when i said it, why did you go off the rails writing novels and using plots i never even mentioned. so finally your duh means you agree with it.

Wait, wait wait. You're saying that coaches are asking schools how much money they'll have for rosters? Do the Syracuse U folks know? What about other schools? This is huge if true.

You see headline after headline of colleges trying to fix NIL to get XYZ candidate.

Heck, Arkansas was crying poor in December.

Part of the financial shortfall under Sam Pittman stemmed from donors’ skepticism about the program’s direction. Now, with Silverfield leading the way, confidence has returned. Silverfield’s vision and early fundraising efforts have energized supporters and proven that Razorback football has new life.

Yurachek highlighted the immediate impact:

“The new financial commitment changes the game for Razorback football. We can finally compete with the resources needed to build a championship-caliber program.”

The Yankees cry poor too fer crissakes.

 

[Syracusian]

So all we need is a few million dollars? I wonder if they read our posts about taking money from the endowment

 

[Scooch]

The number that coaches are looking for at SU is total roster $ in the $10-$12M range annually. Maybe a bit less, but not much. Figure 3-4M of it is Rev Share, the rest is NIL. It’s not a small lift. That would put top 5 ish in ACC. Barely upper half SEC/B1G.

It’s more than we spent this past year and about 3x what was spent 2 years ago.

$10-12 million is precisely what the Front Office Sports piece I posted yesterday said was the consensus "barrier to entry" next season. It was $8-10 million this season, which we were just shy of according to folks here.

3X vs. 2 years ago is a tough comparison since Red and his staff had no clue what they were doing then. They admitted that they didn't begin to prepare for that offseason until March. It was completely inexcusable to be that unprepared.

I have some hope that with Blair in the fold now he won't hire a HC that won't make fundraising and revenue generation his #1 priority.

 

[Melancer46]

Id be thrilled with a Calhoun or martelli, want no part of Holloway.

Holloway's not particularly close to the top of my list so I wouldn't be over the moon if he ends up being the hire, but I do think he can work as the coach here. In the very least he's fairly proven at this point in terms of getting athleticism and defense on the court and those first 10 or so games where we had that here this season was the most fun I've had watching a Syracuse team in a long time. Of the reasonable options, I probably go Hodg, Martelli, Skinn, Holloway, and then I guess we can start talking about the SU assistants if we must.

 

[BomberOrange]

Sounds like Eric Olen interviewed with Providence and is the 1B option to Herb Sendek.

So we are playing second fiddle (allegedly) to Providence for a coach who their #3 choice? This gets crazier every day.

 

[rrlbees]

Doubt that's sustainable unless they start pushing marketing deals that currently exist into NIL. They need to be approaching this in a different way and given how things work on the hill, i'm not optimistic. hopefully new AD helps them think differently.

i don't see how its sustainable either. numbers will just keep growing. there has to be a saturation point.

 

[OptimusOtto]

If Siena pulls off a miracle on Thursday, then Syracuse may have to pull a Seton Hall and hire their alum like when Shaheen rose up on one huge run

Those deals were already in place before the tourney - Willard to Maryland & Sha to replace him at Seton Hall. Maybe he got more money after that run but it was known well in advance and why that Hall team (led by Kadary) got boat raced in their tourney game.

 

[richmondcuse03]

i don't see how its sustainable either. numbers will just keep growing. there has to be a saturation point.

Unless you have a few big businesses supporting your NIL, it's largely not sustainable for most schools. Think we're headed for a reckoning for that piece beyond the rev share.

 

[Jake]

Seems resonable. We were at 8-9 all in this year. So getting up to 10-12 seems like a reasonable ask. Not saying that isn't a lot of money, but the ask isn't unreasonable to me.

We are going to have to pay Enis to follow him

Unless something has changed, and it may have, last years $8-9M was a one-time effort to give Red a workable roster. I’m not convinced that is our annual floor. Getting to the ceiling seems bigger than you think.

 

[Hawknate144]

So all we need is a few million dollars? I wonder if they read our posts about taking money from the endowment

They.legally.cant.do.that

 

[dasher]

I’d say Syracuse of course, but people knocking that Providence job are delusional, they have $$, they have some great facilities, they have a passionate fan base, and they are in a much smaller, easier conference, St. John’s I think is only as good as long as Rick Pitino lasts and he is in his last few seasons, Georgetown is terrible, Nova is mediocre so u compete with UConn and the rest have no NIL.

Oh, I disagree with you. P.C. as it has almost always been, is a bottom of the barrell job in the Big east. St Johns is a much stronger program with or without Rick. They can recruit in NYC. Nova, also has a better recruiting base. UConn is UConn. The only jobs that P.C. is clearly better than are Depaul and the Hall. They don't even have their own home court. You can say G-town is terrible but they still have the D.C area to recruit in. And P.C. has been to one sweet 16 since 1997? That is horrible.

 

[ezbeezy214]

No denial

 

[orangefog]

They.legally.cant.do.that

Are you a snitch?

 

[RF2044]

you use a lot of words to make things up. I'm talking about the post you made 1 hour ago in response to me.

and if its "duh" about me saying the question would be asked, then when i said it, why did you go off the rails writing novels and using plots i never even mentioned. so finally your duh means you agree with it.

Nonsense. You mean those posts from an hour ago, which all align to the posts I made on March 8th that you originally disagreed with, and which started this lopsided disagreement? Not sure what was "softened" [your words], given that everything I said today aligns lock step with those posts from 8 days ago.

Second, if you don't think that the points I made on March 8th applied to you, then why did you get so worked up? Ignore my stuff, if you don't think it applies to you.

Off the rails -- lmfao. I reported info about a handshake deal being in place, and that the NIL issue wouldn't be a dealbreaker. You didn't like that, because it ran counter to the sky is falling narrative you are getting behind. And here we are.

 

[phil77]

Unless something has changed, and it may have, last years $8-9M was a one-time effort to give Red a workable roster. I’m not convinced that is our annual floor. Getting to the ceiling seems bigger than you think.

I wasn't saying it would be easy or that type of money is just a snap of the fingers and it is there. What I mean was that if we were at 8-9 million this year, then for an incoming coach 10-12 isn't an unreasonable ask (from the incoming coach).

 

[Cuse2023]

Do people actually think that ADBB is just dilly-dallying in Toledo and not working on this?

I mean, talk about just being flat out wrong. From what I’m hearing, he’s very much involved in this search.

It’s still going to be a collaborative decision, but he’s out there doing what he should be doing.

From what I understand, Lally and Wildhack are totally aligned on what needs to happen. Based on some statements that BB made, I think he will also agree with them.

They know who the best candidate out there is.

 

[rrlbees]

Wait, wait wait. You're saying that coaches are asking schools how much money they'll have for rosters? Do the Syracuse U folks know? What about other schools? This is huge if true.

yes. pretty simplistic isn't it? yet someone made a huge stink about it simply by twisting words. so you agree it's an obvious question?

 

[RF2044]

Unless you have a few big businesses supporting your NIL, it's largely not sustainable for most schools. Think we're headed for a reckoning for that piece beyond the rev share.

I have to believe that some salary cap regulation has to be coming soon. Otherwise you'll have Texas, Ohio State, and about half the teams in both the SEC / B1G able to keep up.

Wasn't Texas's expenditure for their football roster last year something like $40 million? How is that fair? Who can keep up if this is a consistent upward trend, outside of like 10 teams?

 

[phil77]

Do people actually think that ADBB is just dilly-dallying in Toledo and not working on this?

I mean, talk about just being flat out wrong. From what I’m hearing, he’s very much involved in this search.

It’s still going to be a collaborative decision, but he’s out there doing what he should be doing.

From what I understand, Lally and Wildhack are very aligned on what needs to happen. Based on some statement that BB made, I think he will also agree with them.

They know who the best candidate out there is.

The thing I like about this post is the word candidate, not candidates

 

[RF2044]

yes. pretty simplistic isn't it? yet someone made a huge stink about it simply by twisting words. so you agree it's an obvious question?

Huge stink by pointing out that it what your were saying was a truism softball, and that it wouldn't be an issue?

More like, you make a huge stink when someone "condescends" to challenge your precious opinions.


Edit -- and in full disclosure, I edited this post to put a question mark at the end of the first sentence, just in case you want to accuse me of going back to "soften" this post after the fact.

 

[Scooch]

Unless you have a few big businesses supporting your NIL, it's largely not sustainable for most schools. Think we're headed for a reckoning for that piece beyond the rev share.

For sure. Even businesses, I suspect. There has to be some tangible ROI. At least in the facilities-arms-race days one could point to a building as their return. Something that'll provide value to the athletic department for decades.

Giving money to fund pro salaries? Which is precisely what direct comp is and what NIL has become? It's pissing money away. I guess some whales will do it as some kind of deeck measuring competition. But most won't.

 

[Acesn8s]

Oh, I disagree with you. P.C. as it has almost always been, is a bottom of the barrell job in the Big east. St Johns is a much stronger program with or without Rick. They can recruit in NYC. Nova, also has a better recruiting base. UConn is UConn. The only jobs that P.C. is clearly better than are Depaul and the Hall. They don't even have their own home court. You can say G-town is terrible but they still have the D.C area to recruit in. And P.C. has been to one sweet 16 since 1997? That is horrible.

I’m fine with differing opinion, I’d say it’s better than Butler, creighton, DePaul, Marquette, Georgetown, Seton Hall for sure. Nova has won’t National Championships in the past 10 years as has UConn, St. John’s in nyc and play in the Mecca Ill concede.

 

[rrlbees]

Nonsense. You mean those posts from an hour ago, which all align to the posts I made on March 8th that you originally disagreed with, and which started this lopsided disagreement? Not sure what was "softened" [your words], given that everything I said today aligns lock step with those posts from 8 days ago.

Second, if you don't think that the points I made on March 8th applied to you, then why did you get so worked up? Ignore my stuff, if you don't think it applies to you.

Off the rails -- lmfao. I reported info about a handshake deal being in place, and that the NIL issue wouldn't be a dealbreaker. You didn't like that, because it ran counter to the sky is falling narrative you are getting behind. And here we are.

yea that post you made an hour ago and kept revising to remove lies.

the rest of your post is made up bs. and your posts applied to me cause you were replying to me or making cute little digs. my post was very simple. you went off the rails and wrote novels to what you claim i was saying.

the question was asked as i said. pretty simple. nothing more nothing less.