coaching status'

[orangepassion]

The thing I find most strange about Marrone's coaching is the only time he gambles is when we're in the lead and it's totally unnecessary. The only time you see a fake punt/FG, attempt to block a punt is when we're ahead. The biggest example I can think of is this year's West Virginia game when we're blowing them out and he has Antwon Bailey attempt to throw a pass for a TD, possibly on 4th down (which was nearly intercepted). I think there was something similar in the Bowl game last year. Those are the only times when he's pedal to the metal agressive (not including when we're down at the end of games and there's no choice) on offense. Very bizarre.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

All I want is our O to start scoring some ******* points. I simply can't take more seasons of us trying to grind out 16-13 slugfests, especially when we're trying to do it with atrocious specials.

At least when you can score you always have a puncher's chance.

Exactly.

 

[kingottoiii]

I get that people don't like Marrone's philosophy on offense because I personally hate it as well but he has his belief in what works and will stick to it. Personally, I have serious doubts but changing now isn't the answer for Marrone, I don't think it will and will cost him his job but this is how he coaches.

I don't think he is an idiot but think what you stated above. How is what you wrote any different? Wouldn't that be naive to go down in flames thinking his way will work?

As to the O assistants they might all become great coaches in time. But the fact is prior to coming to SU they have all had little to no experience. They are all learning their craft. A veteran coach doesn't have to learn. A veteran coach has been through the battles and can offer more insight from experience. Our O staff simply does not have that. In time I think many of them will. But they do not have it now. So we have a HC and O staff who are all trying to learn on the job. IMO that has a lot to do with our O struggles. I will also add that I think a dedicated QB coach is important in CFB. You need a guy to develop arguably the MOST IMPORTANT position on the team. It is naive that we don't have one.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Define one of the worst. GRobs last year we were 92nd of 117 D1's. Bad yes, one of the worst maybe, maybe not depends on how you define one of the worst. But first it was going to take a few years to get it back, then 4 years. Now we are on a 5 year plan. How did Temple do it? They were in as bad if not worse shape. 88th during GRobs last season and in the 100's before that in D1. They went from 88 to 68 to 63 to 42. We've gone from 92nd to 78 to 48 to 81st. I used Sagarin for lack of anything else not that his rankings are the end all but for comparison sake. One of the worst programs does not beat the Lville's and ND's. A bad one does have What loses like to Akron. The bottom line is that it is time to stop placing any problems in the program 3 years in on someone else and to the point of saying it will take 5 years because we were so far gone. The difference between 50 and 100 in any ranking is a break here or there. Nobody is asking for top 20 finishes out of the gate. SU being 5-2 and then losing their last 5 against teams they could have beaten and needing just ONE, has nothing to do with what GRob did or didn't do and everything to do with what this staff did or didn't do.

Gave me a ton to reply to here. Intent of my post was simply defending last years 8 win season as an 8 win season and get rid of the * that people like to put on it.

Temple did it with good coaching and a MAC schedule. Pretty sure Syracuse could compete in the MAC but thankfully the ACC grabbed us so we won't have to find out.

Marrones coaching tenure has been a roller coaster ride. When I was walking out of the West Virginia game I thought maybe we had made a jump and a year or 2 before schedule. It's one thing to beat a top 25 team, but it's been awhile since we beat a top 25 like that.

The 5 losses to end of the season sucked badly but it doesnt completely overshadow everything else that has transpired. It doesn't mean Marrone cannot coach, Nassib cannot play QB, Macky cannot play center @ a D1 level, etc, etc.

Just trying to maintain focus on where we've been, vs where we are, vs hopefully where we're going.

 

[GoSU96]

im just saying if he fired some offensive guys along with dan and brum it would have looked like he had the whole picture covered-

he has to make some serious offensive changes -either in style of play or coaching-what he has done these 3 seasons is as bad as what he who shall not be named did

Nonsense.

 

[GoSU96]

I see your point but GROB kept making changes and that didn't work either, 3 coordinators in 5 years, pistol, etc etc. You also have to remember that recruiting is also a big part of the game here. If you bring in new coaches, they damn well better be able to hit the ground running, recruiting. If he gets rid of Hackett, sure people feel better from February-September but at the end of the day, the system is Marrone's and it ain't changing a ton so he will either improve on it or bust, sure he will look at tweaking it but as I have said, the job, the program and his future are on his shoulders and I am sure if he thought a new offensive system was the answer or a few new assistants on offense were the answer then he would do that.

I run my own business and there isn't a day that goes by that if I felt there was a way I could improve it that I wouldn't take the steps to do so. I think people think that Marrone is sitting around nieve to the issues, and I don't think that is the case at all. Look, I certainly am not the guys biggest cheerleader far far from it, I have made that pretty clear but I think his cards are on the table and he isnt't changing much, the foundation for what he wants to do has been in place for 3 years, the next 2 will either prove him right or wrong.

He knows exactly what the issues are with the program. He's had to balance winning now with rebuilding the program, a sometimes things don't work out as well or as quickly as anyone would like. There are kids that have been brought in that have performed as well as expected. They also didn't have access to programs and kids that they wanted the last couple of years, (as result of damage to the brand)but those doors are starting to open up.

 

[kcsu]

Define one of the worst. GRobs last year we were 92nd of 117 D1's. Bad yes, one of the worst maybe, maybe not depends on how you define one of the worst. But first it was going to take a few years to get it back, then 4 years. Now we are on a 5 year plan. How did Temple do it? They were in as bad if not worse shape. 88th during GRobs last season and in the 100's before that in D1. They went from 88 to 68 to 63 to 42. We've gone from 92nd to 78 to 48 to 81st. I used Sagarin for lack of anything else not that his rankings are the end all but for comparison sake. One of the worst programs does not beat the Lville's and ND's. A bad one does have What loses like to Akron. The bottom line is that it is time to stop placing any problems in the program 3 years in on someone else and to the point of saying it will take 5 years because we were so far gone. The difference between 50 and 100 in any ranking is a break here or there. Nobody is asking for top 20 finishes out of the gate. SU being 5-2 and then losing their last 5 against teams they could have beaten and needing just ONE, has nothing to do with what GRob did or didn't do and everything to do with what this staff did or didn't do.

Here is my point if we dont give Grob credit for last year and we dont give Grob credit for the 5-2 start how the hell can we give him the blame for the 0-5 finish? Dougs lovers need to realize at this point it is on him and his staff. Lets see what 12 brings no more excuses

 

[GoSU96]

, little ability to coach up players, and little ability to offer input to Marrone's gameplans. They are all a bunch of yes men. quote]


What do you base any of that on? One fact, not the normal BS speculation.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Nonsense.

You consistently fail to understand that in this context the truth is less important than what people perceive it to be.

 

[GoSU96]

You consistently fail to understand that in this context the truth is less important than what people perceive it to be.

Yeah, it's always best to be driven the preception of morons.

 

[kingottoiii]

They all have little experience. That isn't even debatable. Do you really think an assistant coach early in his career has as much to offer as later in his career? Our O coaches are all very raw. That doesn't mean that they won't all go onto very successful careers. They can. But right now they are all a work in progress.

Were you happy with the development of any of the O units this year? Why did we regress in some areas? Why do the young skill guys have problems getting onto the field? The O regressed as the season went on and non of the young guys had an impact. That isn't debatable either.

So what facts do you have? All you ever offer is BS excuses, which is all speculation. You need to start dealing with the reality of the situation.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yeah, it's always best to be driven the preception of morons.

And there it is. I view the SU fan base as sophisticated consumers. You view them as morons.

And I'm the bad guy who lacks an opinion of value to so many on the board.

 

[GoSU96]

They all have little experience. That isn't even debatable. Do you really think an assistant coach early in his career has as much to offer as later in his career? Our O coaches are all very raw. That doesn't mean that they won't all go onto very successful careers. They can. But right now they are all a work in progress.

Were you happy with the development of any of the O units this year? Why did we regress in some areas? Why do the young skill guys have problems getting onto the field? The O regressed as the season went on and non of the young guys had an impact. That isn't debatable either.

So what facts do you have? All you ever offer is BS excuses, which is all speculation. You need to start dealing with the reality of the situation.

Did I dispute the experience description?

So you have no facts to support your other assertions.

TW and RM were high level D1 and NFL player who both had pretty long careers in the league, they were vets when they left the game not marginal players who lasted a year or two. There's your experience.

GA is no rookie. Hackett has been around the game his whole life.

None of these guys are 26 year olds 2 years removed from being a GA.

Marrone has a lot of considerations when putting together a staff and he doesn't have unlimited resources.

As for Hackett, unless there is a major change I haven't heard about, he is going to be getting more responsibility, not less.

 

[GoSU96]

And there it is. I view the SU fan base as sophisticated consumers. You view them as morons.

And I'm the bad guy who lacks an opinion of value to so many on the board.

Anyone who believes the offense is as bad as when Robinson was here is by definition a moron.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Anyone who believes the offense is as bad as when Robinson was here is by definition a moron.

Regardless of whether that is true, if people believe the offense is that bad they aren't buying tickets.

Ask yourself - are we selling enough tickets?

 

[gocraz4dasu]

I believe Dan was fired for more than that. All the details nobody knows but as I have said for a month now, it's Doug's program, his arse on the line, he should be able to hire and fire assistants as he sees fit, not as people perceive assistants. Really not a smart post

See, you believe that but from the people I've talked to there are 2 reasons why he was fired and the one I can say is that he was too emotional but can't give any details as to the certain instances with it. I can't just post the specific explanations of it and the second on a free website for anyone to take it and run with it. (On another SU website, someone also with sources has also claimed his sources have said that he was hearing it was also due to partly because of being too emotional)

I do also believe Doug should be able to hire and fire who he wants but that doesn't change the fact I am a big fan of Conley. I'm simply saying that Doug (who I am a fan of) better have one hell of a replacement to get rid of Conley. Marrone is a very controlling guy, I personally think it is even worse now because he is afraid of losing his job.

 

[anglerman]

See, you believe that but from the people I've talked to there are 2 reasons why he was fired and the one I can say is that he was too emotional but can't give any details as to the certain instances with it. I can't just post the specific explanations of it and the second on a free website for anyone to take it and run with it. (On another SU website, someone also with sources has also claimed his sources have said that he was hearing it was also due to partly because of being too emotional)

I do also believe Doug should be able to hire and fire who he wants but that doesn't change the fact I am a big fan of Conley. I'm simply saying that Doug (who I am a fan of) better have one hell of a replacement to get rid of Conley. Marrone is a very controlling guy, I personally think it is even worse now because he is afraid of losing his job.

I heard it had stricly to do with player evalution on game film for both of them. They didn't make very good evaluations.

 

[gocraz4dasu]

I heard it had stricly to do with player evalution on game film for both of them. They didn't make very good evaluations.

Certainly part of it. That's the easiest and most logical thing to tell fans

 

[OttoForLife]

Anyone who believes the offense is as bad as when Robinson was here is by definition a moron.

Such a stupid argument to have. Doesn't matter which regime's offense was better...however you want to define success. What's clear is that both struggle to score points over the course of an extended period in an era of offensive football.

Both are unacceptable, but if what Marrone shuffles out there makes you sleep better at night, then more power to ya.

 

[Scooch]

When you think about it, this is the list of 2010 players that we recruited by the previous coach. The starting QB, the starting RB, the backup RB, all the contributing WRs, all the contributing TEs, the 2 best OL, 9 of 11 starters on D. How does a team win 8 games that quickly in a TOTAL rebuild using so many of the previous coach's players? You wouldn't think it possible in a TOTAL rebuild.

This post made me utterly depressed for the future. So thanks for that, Chip!

Seriously, what it tells me is that (a) Marrone is a much better coach than GRob, (b) the "program" was not in as bad of shape as the head coaching position was -- meaning that we had some modest amount of talent but a dunderhead implementing it, (c) the talent doesn't seem to be getting a ton better overall, although I'll cop to not knowing how the guy's who haven't played much have progressd, so I may be off on this one, thus (d) we're looking at the 7 win ceiling that IB keeps talking about.

I still think that Marrone could be a good coach, but the next few months may determine that.