Rick Pitino

[bnoro]

Someone remind me. How many times has JB been married? How many sanctions? Anyone know who introduced him to Julie?

Did JB have a public 15 second entanglement at an Italian restaurant?

 

[elimunelson]

My uninformed guess -- JW knows Red isn't up to the task and is actively managing lining up his replacement, probably has already had many conversations with his targets and has a good idea where it's going. His hands apparently are tied though by the BOT and donors so he has to wait it out. But there's no chance he doesn't see what the rest of us see.

The donors and BOT are small minded if this is the case. I think everyone is on board w red if they kept him. The NIL era doesn’t allow for training wheel seasons

 

[kcsu]

Did JB have a public 15 second entanglement at an Italian restaurant?

I wouldn't know.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Someone remind me. How many times has JB been married? How many sanctions? Anyone know who introduced him to Julie?

Sad commentary and pathetic attempt to make some type of crazy analogy. JB having a second marriage 28 years ago after being divorced after his first 10 year marriage, you consider equivalent? Do you really judge all people who have been divorced in that light? Despite not having any relevance to what Pitino did, it’s not even true about Juli and JB’s introduction. Pitino didn’t introduce Juli and Boeheim as Pitino himself has stated. (See below) Even if he had, which he didn’t, in what world does that have anything to do with what Pitino admitted in that extortion trial? Yes, don’t judge Pitino but do make up stuff to try to judge and make it about Boeheim, right? Uggh

Jim Boeheim-Rick Pitino friendship goes beyond coaching

Rick Pitino and Jim Boeheim go back a long time, and they've stayed in touch through all the years.

www.courier-journal.com

 

[bpo57]

Pitino is a phenomenal rebuilder. That's undeniable. I thought the job he did at UK was the most amazing as that program was in bad shape when he showed up.

But when people talk about the GOAT I am amazed how folks rarely mention John Wooden. Maybe it's a generational thing. The guy won ten national titles in 12 years. The two years he didn't win in that span were 1965/1966 (freshmen were ineligible then, too bad cuz he had a FR named Lew Alcindor) and 1973/1974 (UCLA lost in Double OT to NC State in the national semifinal).

 

[Eric15]

But when people talk about the GOAT I am amazed how folks rarely mention John Wooden.

Wait what now? I feel like Wooden is mentioned all the time as one of if not the GOAT. It’s generally either him or Coach K at the top of any coaching list.

 

[BillSU]

Wait what now? I feel like Wooden is mentioned all the time as one of if not the GOAT. It’s generally either him or Coach K at the top of any coaching list.

Agreed. Wooden is mentioned frequently and Coach K is as well.

 

[bpo57]

Wait what now? I feel like Wooden is mentioned all the time as one of if not the GOAT. It’s generally either him or Coach K at the top of any coaching list.

My experience when the topic has come up here is a majority favor Coach K. I'll attribute that to unawareness of what Wooden accomplished due to how long ago it took place. You yourself suggested an argument could be made for Pitino. Personally I feel it should be a very quick conversation. Neither of those two guys are in Wooden's league.

 

[Eric15]

My experience when the topic has come up here is a majority favor Coach K. I'll attribute that to unawareness of what Wooden accomplished due to how long ago it took place. You yourself suggested an argument could be made for Pitino. Personally I feel it should be a very quick conversation. Neither of those two guys are in Wooden's league.

My exact words were a "not-insane argument" could be made for Pitino. Meaning I think he's genuinely part of the GOAT conversation based on six ground-up rebuilds, which has simply never been done before in the history of modern US sports.

And I would be shocked if there is a single poster on this entire board who isn't aware Wooden won a bunch of titles in the 60s/70s.

 

[PoppyHart]

My exact words were a "not-insane argument" could be made for Pitino. Meaning I think he's genuinely part of the GOAT conversation based on six ground-up rebuilds, which has simply never been done before in the history of modern US sports.

And I would be shocked if there is a single poster on this entire board who isn't aware Wooden won a bunch of titles in the 60s/70s.

I was with you about the overall impressiveness of Pitino, but you should examine Larry Brown’s track record before saying things like (paraphrasing) “unprecedented in modern US Sports.”

While the peaks may not have been as high as Pitino (except Kansas), his rebuild list runs in the double digits, depending one’s perspective. It should be noted that two of his higher profile gigs, UCLA & the ‘04 Pistons were not rebuilds at all.

 

[Cusefan95]

My experience when the topic has come up here is a majority favor Coach K. I'll attribute that to unawareness of what Wooden accomplished due to how long ago it took place. You yourself suggested an argument could be made for Pitino. Personally I feel it should be a very quick conversation. Neither of those two guys are in Wooden's league.

Two things hurt Wooden - Sam Gilbert has tarnished his legacy, and the way the NCAA tournament was structured gave UCLA a near-bye to the Final Four for a decade. I think Wooden is in an argument for best coach ever while Pitino is not - but I also don’t think Wooden gets discussed very long anymore before moving on to others for legitimate reasons.

 

[Sherman20]

My experience when the topic has come up here is a majority favor Coach K. I'll attribute that to unawareness of what Wooden accomplished due to how long ago it took place. You yourself suggested an argument could be made for Pitino. Personally I feel it should be a very quick conversation. Neither of those two guys are in Wooden's league.

Wooden is widely considered the GOAT, with Coach K a close second. (I do think Pitino is top 5.) Remember Wooden was forced to retire at 65 or 66 due to California law, so he coached a decade less than K. On top of that, many people put Wooden on the Mount Rushmore of greatest coaches in all of sports. But I agree with CuseFan95 above that he sometimes gets knocked down a peg for booster Sam Gilbert reportedly paying players and the NCAA tourney structure giving UCLA an advantage in the weaker West.

 

[FrancoPizza]

How about Richard? Would he come to Syracuse?

pitino envy is a thing. He is instant coffee success and we have a cup of cold day old coffee running the program.

PDS is a thing.

 

[baggerbob]

Wooden is widely considered the GOAT, with Coach K a close second. (I do think Pitino is top 5.) Remember Wooden was forced to retire at 65 or 66 due to California law, so he coached a decade less than K. On top of that, many people put Wooden on the Mount Rushmore of greatest coaches in all of sports. But I agree with CuseFan95 above that he sometimes gets knocked down a peg for booster Sam Gilbert reportedly paying players and the NCAA tourney structure giving UCLA an advantage in the weaker West.

And they also had rules for a number of years back then where only conference winners got in . Maryland had some teams back then that were among the best in the country and finishing 2nd in the ACC didn’t get in.

 

[OburgOrange]

 

[Scooch]

If anyone happens to be watching the Celtics City documentary on HBO, you can see from the episodes that focus on the Pitino era why I loathe the guy so very, very much,

His players couldn't stand him and knew he was a narcissistic huckster from literally day one.

He's a very good college coach, of course.

 

[bnoro]

If anyone happens to be watching the Celtics City documentary on HBO, you can see from the episodes that focus on the Pitino era why I loathe the guy so very, very much,

His players couldn't stand him and knew he was a narcissistic huckster from literally day one.

He's a very good college coach, of course.

Coaching in college was a lot easier when the players had no power and were easier to influence. Not surprised a lot of his guys didn't stick around for year 2 at St. Johns.

 

[PeteCalvin]

ABSJ - Anyone But St. John’s

Hope that team crashes and burns.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Coaching in college was a lot easier when the players had no power and were easier to influence. Not surprised a lot of his guys didn't stick around for year 2 at St. Johns.

I think Rick is perfectly happy putting a new team together every year. With the $ behind him it's a process that can be repeated on a yearly basis rather easiliy. He's obviously not a saint to say the least nor does his schtick fly in the NBA it didn't 20 years ago and certainly would not today to say the least. The kids at SJU will continue to line up because they are well compensated and it's a 1 year commitment. Like I said, don't think Rick cares if the roster flips every year and what kids think of him, that is rather apparent. He is who he is at this point but the money does the talking and he wins games.

His biggest NIL guy spends 50 mil a year chasing the KY Derby win coming up with money for the SJU hoop team he can probably find in his couch cushions regardless of how much. Repole won't stop until SJU gets a national championship either. It's a rather unique situation.

 

[jdubs30]

Coaching in college was a lot easier when the players had no power and were easier to influence. Not surprised a lot of his guys didn't stick around for year 2 at St. Johns.

Eujifor stayed. Kadary, Devion Smith and Aaron Scott graduated and were gone regardless. Wilcher just entered the portal but he’s worse than the guards they added and that’s why he left. RJ Luis was the only real question mark.

Rick doesn’t have to worry about kids buying in for multiple years. Now he can add veterans who’ve played college ball before, and he can be tough on them knowing they’ll be gone in a year anyway. They’re also more likely to be ok with the tough coaching than freshman are. I think this is his wheelhouse

 

[Cusefan95]

Coaching in college was a lot easier when the players had no power and were easier to influence. Not surprised a lot of his guys didn't stick around for year 2 at St. Johns.

Pitino is probably a terrible human being generally - but at a glance it looks like anyone with remaining eligibility that left was getting recruited over. RJ Luis Jr might be an exception...but since he was also declaring for the NBA draft, entering the portal looks like more of a back-up plan. I think Pitino will be fine as long as St John's is willing to pay guys top dollar, and he doesn't get in the best players way of making it to the NBA (which he never has in the past, so its unlikely to start now...).
I wouldn't want him as the HC at Syracuse - but I think you're going to be disappointed if you think he's going to flame out at St John's because coaching in college is harder now than two decades ago.

 

[Scooch]

The Nil era is tailor made for Pitino. All the stuff he had to keep under the table at UK and UL he can do right out in the open now. And no one has to deal with his self-obsessed bullsp!t for more than a year.

I’m just glad that he knows he was a flaming wreck in Boston. And now the documentary memorializes that for future generations.

 

[stuckinbig11]

The Nil era is tailor made for Pitino. All the stuff he had to keep under the table at UK and UL he can do right out in the open now. And no one has to deal with his self-obsessed bullsp!t for more than a year.

I’m just glad that he knows he was a flaming wreck in Boston. And now the documentary memorializes that for future generations.

All the stuff he had to keep under the table at UK and UL he can do right ON THE TABLE now.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Did JB have a public 15 second entanglement at an Italian restaurant?

No, but he killed a guy while travelling over the posted speed limit and his long time assistant was accussed of sexual abuse.

 

[orangecuse]

If anyone happens to be watching the Celtics City documentary on HBO, you can see from the episodes that focus on the Pitino era why I loathe the guy so very, very much,

His players couldn't stand him and knew he was a narcissistic huckster from literally day one.

He's a very good college coach, of course.

When free agency hit the NBA in 1998 (only 1 year after he was hired at Boston) just as it did in the NFL 5 years preceding, it changed the entire professional sporting paradigm. So, now with the "inmates running the asylum" or as that saying goes, Pitino's style didn't have a chance. No different than the Paul Brown's, George Halas', Vince Lombardi's, etc., etc. of the world would've ever achieved the same successes in the modern (free agency) world of pro football.