Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

[syracuse95]

Johnny Manzel’s Heisman Trophy football season brought in over 300 million dollars in donations, sold over 250,000 #2 jerseys, and basically funded the expansion of Kyle Field.

If he was given more than just scholarship and had to pay taxes for that I think he would
Be okay with that.

That's great...for Johnny Manziel. There are 11,000 FBS football players, the vast, vast majority of whom the average fan can't name. A HUGE number of those guys are going to pay a price if this happens, because the number of colleges playing D1 football will drop dramatically. Kent State, Appalachian State, and LA-Monroe don't make nearly enough money to pay their players...so they won't. They'll drop down to FCS, or drop football. And among those 3 teams there's 75 guys every year that won't play football beyond high school, or at least not D1 football.

It's going to further consolidate the money to fewer and fewer schools. I'm not even sure all the current Power 5 schools will opt in for this. Some may decide, even if the money is there, it doesn't fit with their overall academic mission. Maybe Syracuse will be one of them, maybe not. I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole SU will go.

Even for the schools which have the resources to pay players, the admitted consequence of this is to cut non-revenue athletics. Which I guess some people are okay with. I'm not.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Post yours first

We'll start with you.

I'm not the one saying they're overcompensated and they should just shut up and be happy with what they're given.

 

[Fly Rodder]

It is not the colleges responsibility to get the less than 1 percent of the players ready for professional supports. It is for an education.
Now if we want to talk about player benefits already let’s. Tuition, room and board (more than regular students), trainers, sports psychologist, nutritionist, tutors for classes, priority registration, a stipend, medical, coaching and the list goes on. The amount a school spends on a player is enormous.
In a sense they already get substantial money for playing a sport they love. They just don’t get cash so they do not have to pay taxes. They also walk out debt free.

Sounds like schools should just drop football considering what a waste of money it is.

 

[Acesn8s]

1 year for a select group of players during a once in a lifetime event - yeah seems fair

it’s systemic and it’s blatant enough it will change or die out. Instead of fighting for an old BS system we could be making the whole system work better

You are comparing college students who have a choice to go to play a game and get a free education to the Jim Crow south. It is not systemic, its real life. Also I do not think it is BS.

 

[Acesn8s]

I got most of my tuition comped for my grad degree at Newhouse and ended up with a job at Trader Joe's while being broke for the better part of two years.

You over-value the value of a degree. Not to mention that a scholarship doesn't help some of these guys help their families immediately, which they would like to do.

Well I got my degree through the SUNY system paid the whole damn thing myself, just finished paying off and my degree turned out to be an outstanding choice for me. Not to say you did anything wrong, or there are not lots of cases of people falling on hard times who have degrees but we all made those choices. If these kids make a choice to go into college to play football and expect that is how they can get their family in a better situation then they have been mislead or blind to reality. Either way it shouldn't be on the institution to start paying them a salary like they are in a professional field. Very few make it to the NFL and very few would get compensated because on a huge roster maybe 10 would have market value.

 

[Acesn8s]

Lot of guys come from poverty.

who is the blame for that?

 

[Alsacs]

That's great...for Johnny Manziel. There are 11,000 FBS football players, the vast, vast majority of whom the average fan can't name. A HUGE number of those guys are going to pay a price if this happens, because the number of colleges playing D1 football will drop dramatically. Kent State, Appalachian State, and LA-Monroe don't make nearly enough money to pay their players...so they won't. They'll drop down to FCS, or drop football. And among those 3 teams there's 75 guys every year that won't play football beyond high school, or at least not D1 football.

It's going to further consolidate the money to fewer and fewer schools. I'm not even sure all the current Power 5 schools will opt in for this. Some may decide, even if the money is there, it doesn't fit with their overall academic mission. Maybe Syracuse will be one of them, maybe not. I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole SU will go.

Even for the schools which have the resources to pay players, the admitted consequence of this is to cut non-revenue athletics. Which I guess some people are okay with. I'm not.

But you have no problem with Jim Boeheim and Dino Babers making millions.

 

[All4SU]

A document written by slave owners three centuries ago? I don’t hate it but I’m far from it’s biggest fan. Our country and it’s social constructs have changed pretty drastically since its inception.

I’m all for the concept of the Constitution and what it’s supposed to stand for but it’s far from perfect. It has also been constantly left up to interpretation by appointed justices who can twist words to reach a predetermined decision.

I wish I had a solution in mind but I don’t trust anyone in power to make a decision/revision with America’s best interest in mind.

No offense Upstate, I’m sure you’re a swell person. But it’s comments like this that legitimately make me concerned for the future of this country, the greatest country.

 

[dasher]

Football and basketball players are not amateur athletes. If they are being used to bring lots of money.

Giving them a slice is acknowledging the system has changed and their is more revenue in the game.

If schools want to take less money then they can keep the status quo.
Athletic departments in the P5 are doing pretty well.

I'm curious, if Syracuse University puts on a play, should the actors get a piece of the revenue that is brought in from ticket sales? The cheerleaders at a professional event get paid. Should our cheerleaders get paid? They are a part of the entertainment.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm curious, if Syracuse University puts on a play, should the actors get a piece of the revenue that is brought in from ticket sales? The cheerleaders at a professional event get paid. Should our cheerleaders get paid? They are a part of the entertainment.

Yes. They should if the school makes millions of dollars in broadcasting the play on TV/DVD sales, and brings in profits for the shows.

Cheerleaders don't get paid much in professional sports. They make more using the brand as a cheerleader for paid appearances as Cheerleader X.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I'm curious, if Syracuse University puts on a play, should the actors get a piece of the revenue that is brought in from ticket sales? The cheerleaders at a professional event get paid. Should our cheerleaders get paid? They are a part of the entertainment.

You do know those actors are allowed to take paying gigs as actors and STILL participate in the Drama department productions without the directors and Syracuse Stage members hitting the fainting couches and whining about it ruining student drama productions.

 

[syracuse95]

But you have no problem with Jim Boeheim and Dino Babers making millions.

I didn’t say whether I was or not, and it’s really irrelevant.

You and I just fundamentally disagree on what a college athletic department should be. You see it as a for-profit business enterprise that should compensate the revenue generators and cull the under performers. I see it as serving to provide athletic opportunities to enrich the college experience of ALL student athletes, not just the ones that bring in the money.

Just because “football drives the bus” shouldn’t mean only football players get to ride.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

While I was at Syracuse I bought a #39 football jersey, #1 football jersey, and #3 basketball jersey.

Herein lies the problem.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Good bye soccer - already talked to my sophomore son about this.

 

[Orijinal]

That's great...for Johnny Manziel. There are 11,000 FBS football players, the vast, vast majority of whom the average fan can't name. A HUGE number of those guys are going to pay a price if this happens, because the number of colleges playing D1 football will drop dramatically. Kent State, Appalachian State, and LA-Monroe don't make nearly enough money to pay their players...so they won't. They'll drop down to FCS, or drop football. And among those 3 teams there's 75 guys every year that won't play football beyond high school, or at least not D1 football.

It's going to further consolidate the money to fewer and fewer schools. I'm not even sure all the current Power 5 schools will opt in for this. Some may decide, even if the money is there, it doesn't fit with their overall academic mission. Maybe Syracuse will be one of them, maybe not. I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole SU will go.

Even for the schools which have the resources to pay players, the admitted consequence of this is to cut non-revenue athletics. Which I guess some people are okay with. I'm not.

Many schools have a hard time maintaining an athletic budget without paying players. What a wreck actually paying players would be. It would be an absolute train wreck

Syracuse has cut wrestling and swimming and diving. Maybe more that I don't know about

 

[RandomGuy]

Good bye soccer - already talked to my sophomore son about this.

:-( Where is he playing?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I could see colleges getting out of it all together, then having semi-pro sports teams that they will sponsor, all as part of advertising and branding.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

That won't pass. November stunt

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

:-( Where is he playing?

Currently went JUCO to a top 4 program (Iowa Western) They put 8 guys into D-1 of last year's team, plus a pro.

 

[dasher]

You do know those actors are allowed to take paying gigs as actors and STILL participate in the Drama department productions without the directors and Syracuse Stage members hitting the fainting couches and whining about it ruining student drama productions.

Why? Are musicians allowed to make money from music and still major in music?

 

[Alsacs]

Herein lies the problem.

Lol because I was a student and I bought 3 jerseys herein lies the problem.
Thanks boss.

 

[Alsacs]

Why? Are musicians allowed to make money from music and still major in music?

Yes. They can.

 

[dasher]

Yes. They can.

Of course. But actors can't? that doesn't seem right to me.

 

[Alsacs]

I didn’t say whether I was or not, and it’s really irrelevant.

You and I just fundamentally disagree on what a college athletic department should be. You see it as a for-profit business enterprise that should compensate the revenue generators and cull the under performers. I see it as serving to provide athletic opportunities to enrich the college experience of ALL student athletes, not just the ones that bring in the money.

Just because “football drives the bus” shouldn’t mean only football players get to ride.

Only football players shouldn’t get the ride.
The football players subsidize the other sports scholarships.
Athletic departments waste a lot of money on buildings and locker rooms when they could just give the players that bring in that revenue a piece of it and the bottom lines for the schools wouldn’t change.

Why spend 28 million dollars on a locker room? When the players could receive a piece of that?

 

[Alsacs]

Of course. But actors can't? that doesn't seem right to me.

If the actors were bringing in ridiculous profits for the university I would say the same thing.