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Alan with a good defensive guard on him will turn over the ball 7 times per possession.
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Alan with a good defensive guard on him will turn over the ball 7 times per possession.
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I like the idea of his defense at the top of the zone. I don’t like the idea of him putting the ball on the deck against a quicker player.
Rebounding from guards has never mattered in the history of basketball.
This is ridiculous. Teams in college play 3 guards a lot now.
Then every team we play for the rest of the season should do this and AG should have 7 turnovers every game.
By your logic AG shouldn’t play SF.
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AG can’t dribble. Buddy can. When Marek is on the court, Buddy is still the secondary ballhandler. Marek occasionally gets the ball across half court because his advantage dribbling the ball against a PF or Center is substantial. Getting the ball across half court doesn’t make a player a main ballhandler. In halfcourt sets Marek doesn’t dribble a lot; he catches the ball in the high post and passes.
Buddy can protect the ball against quick and athletic guards. Can he break their ankles and get to the rim for a dunk? No. AG has not shown any ability to protect the ball consistently against quicker players. He has moves that can get him a shot off of one or two bounces against bigger, relatively slower (compared to guards) defenders.
We haven’t played a bunch of teams that consistently play 3 guard lineups. It’s more common, but ‘more common’ equates to maybe one out of five teams.
This is just an alternate reality to what I see.
I don’t see Buddy ever bring the ball up.
I constantly see Marek doing it.
Buddy can pass in the half court.
He doesn’t ball handle except when he goes ISO and backs down his defender for the patent fade-away jumper.
Again I don’t want Buddy to sit the entire game. I can just be realistic and say Alan Griffin can play SG.
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Bringing the ball up the court doesn’t matter. Marek getting the ball across halfcourt has nothing to do with who is the first second, third, 20th ballhandler.
I’m not advocating for Buddy to play 40 minutes. I’m advocating for his bench minutes not to come at the expense of playing a significantly worse ballhandler in his spot.
Buddy’s backdown and fadeaway aren’t popular. I get it. His 2-point shooting percentage suggests it works okay. My point is that Buddy can at least dribble the ball to a spot on the court. AG cannot pick a spot he wants to get the ball to and dribble to that spot.
I am not going to waste anymore energy on this.
I just find it unbelievable for anyone to say a player can play SF but can’t play SG.
When the positions are basically the same thing in our offense.
The only difference is on defense because of the zone.
Offensively they are the same.
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Yet you spew this with your AG take and the 85% malarkey. It's laughable if you think that AG can't play a wink at the 2 guard position primarily because of skill set vs. JB's stubbornness and what that means for his son. Just as Alsacs mentions.
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Offensively they are not the same. If they are, then you’re saying SG-PF are interchangeable on offense, because SF and PF are indeed the same.
To suggest only PG and C matter, in terms of who can play them, on offense and the rest can be whatever doesn’t track, imo.
Some offensive sets require a ballhandler to get to a spot on his own. That ballhandler is almost always one of the two guards on the floor. Buddy can do it, AG cannot.
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It’s unlikely nepotism is playing a role in any of this.
As far as the hyperbole goes, I like to fight fire with fire I guess. AG can’t play SG. I’m sorry this bothers so many people.
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Nepotism has been specifically called out by a lot of posters here. That’s not a straw man. Go ahead and search it. Bunch of hits.
And JB’s coaching has been called out, too, as if getting old makes a coach forget how basketball works... because the game has “evolved.”
team rebounding has always mattered in basketball. Long rebounds. Either you get them or you don't. We don't. We have in the past when we had guys that could rebound from the guard position. Like Alan griffin. You are correct on one thing. griff is a horrible ball handler. And that will hurt us some. But the other ways he helps will offset the times his ball handling hurts us.
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What would we project Griff’s 7rpg to equate to at SG? 3 or 4? 5 seems to be the ceiling because that’s what MCW grabbed, and I don’t think Alan will be a better rebounder from guard than MCW was. Triche is the next best rebounder that I recall in recent history. He was at 3rpg. We’d probably be talking about 2 extra possessions if Griff were to take all of Buddy’s minutes at SG. Since I think we’re debating maybe 15-20 minutes at SG for him, that’s 1 extra possession based on rebounding (assuming no drop off from his SF replacement). I think that one extra possession would be negated by his one extra turnover.
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Man, you are digging in on some crazy stuff today. I need to look at the stats, but I’m guessing teams that play primarily zone do much better with guards who rebound well.
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Stop with this. Look at this video. First play is AG dribbling into the lane for a nice feed to Marek. Then go to the 1:08 point, AG dribbles horizontally through the lane to find Buddy for a three. In between he nails a bunch of catch-and-shoot 3s (a.k.a. things a SG can do).
There's no reason for AG to play 35 minutes a game at the 2. But he absolutely could give us time there, when we need length at the top of the zone, and/or want to get Braswell or Newton in at the 3 for additional rebounding.
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The difference between a guard who rebounds well in our zone and a guard who rebounds poorly is about 1.5 rebounds. MCW is an example of a guard who rebounded at an elite level with 5 per game.
Feel free to look up whatever you want, but guards rebounding just doesn’t matter that much.
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Stop with this. Look at this video. First play is AG dribbling into the lane for a nice feed to Marek. Then go to the 1:08 point, AG dribbles horizontally through the lane to find Buddy for a three. In between he nails a bunch of catch-and-shoot 3s (a.k.a. things a SG can do).
There's no reason for AG to play 35 minutes a game at the 2. But he absolutely could give us time there, when we need length at the top of the zone, and/or want to get Braswell or Newton in at the 3 for additional rebounding.
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What's frustrating about JB's relative lack of lineup optimization this season is that we seemingly have a team with a good amount of interchangeable pieces. Two point guards, three shooting guards, four small forwards, three power forwards (and sadly, zero centers).
But the only optimization I've really seen is JB getting tired of Girard's itchy trigger finger and giving Kadary occasional long stretches at the 1.
Outside of that, we're basically getting 38-40 minutes of Buddy at the 2, Griffin at the 3, Q at the 4, and Marek at the 5, unless there's foul trouble.
I watch a lot of Celtics basketball, and it's just so jarring to watch Brad Stephens constantly moving pieces around to scheme matchups, play hot hands, etc, and then tune in to SU, which would easily see JB play the same guys for 40 minutes every game if he could get away with it.
But the only optimization I've really seen is JB getting tired of Girard's itchy trigger finger and giving Kadary occasional long stretches at the 1.
Outside of that, we're basically getting 38-40 minutes of Buddy at the 2, Griffin at the 3, Q at the 4, and Marek at the 5, unless there's foul trouble.
I watch a lot of Celtics basketball, and it's just so jarring to watch Brad Stephens constantly moving pieces around to scheme matchups, play hot hands, etc, and then tune in to SU, which would easily see JB play the same guys for 40 minutes every game if he could get away with it.
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^This^ JB has said many times that there is little difference between the 2 and 3 on offense. This is true with most college offense systems, especially if the PG is competent. Is AG an ideal 2? No. Can he play the 2 in JB's system? Yes, without question.Stop with this. Look at this video. First play is AG dribbling into the lane for a nice feed to Marek. Then go to the 1:08 point, AG dribbles horizontally through the lane to find Buddy for a three. In between he nails a bunch of catch-and-shoot 3s (a.k.a. things a SG can do).
There's no reason for AG to play 35 minutes a game at the 2. But he absolutely could give us time there, when we need length at the top of the zone, and/or want to get Braswell or Newton in at the 3 for additional rebounding.
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Stop with this. Look at this video. First play is AG dribbling into the lane for a nice feed to Marek. Then go to the 1:08 point, AG dribbles horizontally through the lane to find Buddy for a three. In between he nails a bunch of catch-and-shoot 3s (a.k.a. things a SG can do).
There's no reason for AG to play 35 minutes a game at the 2. But he absolutely could give us time there, when we need length at the top of the zone, and/or want to get Braswell or Newton in at the 3 for additional rebounding.
In both plays he bounced the ball two whole times. The first he went around a screen and made a nice pass. The second, he beat a poor close out from a forward and gathered to prevent the guard from ripping the ball from him.
I’m talking about him in half court with a 6’3” guard in his face with more foot speed and quicker hands. Guys every ACC team has. Buddy doesn’t beat those guys to the rim but he also doesn’t let them just pick his pocket at will. AG will get his pocket picked or pick up his dribble too early and put the offense into scramble mode.
