Cooney

[cuseguy]

Why Howard/Joseph weren't given 10-12 minutes per game in the non-conference while Cooney was getting 38 mpg is why those guys are useless now. You can't throw them into the lion's den and expect results. They should have been fattening up in the layup games but we left Cooney in too long and now we are paying the price.

We were struggling to win some of those non conference games.

We'll struggle with BC next week.

There just isn't a lot of opportunity to play Joseph and Howard without costing us.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Why Howard/Joseph weren't given 10-12 minutes per game in the non-conference while Cooney was getting 38 mpg is why those guys are useless now. You can't throw them into the lion's den and expect results. They should have been fattening up in the layup games but we left Cooney in too long and now we are paying the price.

I think Joseph just stinks. It wouldn't of even of helped. He doesn't even hit rim on his shots.We have about five guys even capable of seeing the court right now. Three of them play the same position.

 

[Alsacs]

Idk what some people expect. He hit 1 out of 2 down the stretch. He isn't Steph, and NBA players shoot a terrible percentage down the stretch of games anyway. The blame on Cooney is ridiculous. people want him to be Jimmer Fredette for us. He's not. People need realistic expectations. He played really well in the second half. So did Richardson, besides the missed free throw.

We blew the game at the line. Again. And we just get destroyed inside.

If Cooney only played average starters minutes he would take a lot less scorn IMO. The fact he plays as much as he does because JB is more stubborn than an ox betrays Cooney.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

The biggest reason for this thread, why I may not miss Cooney after his graduation is the fact that he is seems dreadful in the clutch. I don't have late game statistics but from memory, Cooney for the majority of his career has not shot well in late game situations.

Not to mention the fact that a good number of those crunch time misses are not close.

 

[Brooky03]

You're thinking about this too rationally for how soon after the end of the game it is.

He took the final shot with a chance to win. We didn't win. Knee jerk reaction is that he blew it.

Then people are idiots

 

[Ghost]

Give him heat when it's deserved, not when he's as big a reason as any other player that we were even in the game to begin with.

I think part of the frustration is that he also missed by a mile... On an uncontested look.

Idk what some people expect. He hit 1 out of 2 down the stretch. He isn't Steph, and NBA players shoot a terrible percentage down the stretch of games anyway. The blame on Cooney is ridiculous. people want him to be Jimmer Fredette for us. He's not. People need realistic expectations. He played really well in the second half. So did Richardson, besides the missed free throw.

We blew the game at the line. Again. And we just get destroyed inside.

Then don't give him minutes like he's Fredette for 3 years? We make no attempt to develop anyone because of his play in practice...

 

[Brooky03]

The biggest reason for this thread, why I may not miss Cooney after his graduation is the fact that he is seems dreadful in the clutch. I don't have late game statistics but from memory, Cooney for the majority of his career has not shot well in late game situations.

Most players don't shoot well in late game situations. I'd argue that the overwhelming majority don't. It's the reason it's special to find a player who is clutch like Gerry McNamara. It wouldn't be special if all or most players were beasts in clutch situations.

 

[Alsacs]

We were struggling to win some of those non conference games.

We'll struggle with BC next week.

There just isn't a lot of opportunity to play Joseph and Howard without costing us.

If we need Cooney to play 38 to beat those teams then the program is better off sucking this year and developing talent for the future. I don't want to see a flawed player getting all those minutes and I refuse to believe Cooney was needed to win those games. If Joseph/Howard played those minutes we would still struggle and games wouldn't have been different.

Cooney is not a good enough player to every play 38 in a game unless his offense is on. His D is average and his offense is hot/cold.

 

[iommi]

Why Howard/Joseph weren't given 10-12 minutes per game in the non-conference while Cooney was getting 38 mpg is why those guys are useless now. You can't throw them into the lion's den and expect results. They should have been fattening up in the layup games but we left Cooney in too long and now we are paying the price.

I agree with this concept; the issue is I don't think JB had enough confidence that any of our early "easy wins" were actually easy wins. But to your point, JB does have a tendency to not lengthen his bench, and sometimes that does bite us in the arse.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Then people are idiots

Eh, well.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If Cooney only played average starters minutes he would take a lot less scorn IMO. The fact he plays as much as he does because JB is more stubborn than an ox betrays Cooney.

Who's going to play? Joseph is bad. Coleman isn't giving us anything. Howard has been sick on and off for a month, and Cooney is shooting 36 percent from three which really is actually decent. He, Richardson and Gbinije need to be on the court at all times, especially now with Lydon all of a sudden scared to shoot.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The biggest reason for this thread, why I may not miss Cooney after his graduation is the fact that he is seems dreadful in the clutch. I don't have late game statistics but from memory, Cooney for the majority of his career has not shot well in late game situations.

Not to mention the fact that a good number of those crunch time misses are not close.

1-2 tonight.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

Most players don't shoot well in late game situations. I'd argue that the overwhelming majority don't. It's the reason it's special to find a player who is clutch like Gerry McNamara. It wouldn't be special if all or most players were beasts in clutch situations.

You're right, and I don't expect everybody to be clutch time shooters. Maybe I expect to much from Cooney.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If we need Cooney to play 38 to beat those teams then the program is better off sucking this year and developing talent for the future. I don't want to see a flawed player getting all those minutes and I refuse to believe Cooney was needed to win those games. If Joseph/Howard played those minutes we would still struggle and games wouldn't have been different.

Cooney is not a good enough player to every play 38 in a game unless his offense is on. His D is average and his offense is hot/cold.

That isn't Boeheims philosophy. He plays each season to win as many games as possible in that season. He will never play guys to develop for next year.

 

[Alsacs]

Who's going to play? Joseph is bad. Coleman isn't giving us anything. Howard has been sick on and off for a month, and Cooney is shooting 36 percent from three which really is actually decent. He, Richardson and Gbinije need to be on the court at all times, especially now with Lydon all of a sudden scared to shoot.

I disagree about Howard. Before the last 2 games he could have played more. We didn't use him. Also Richardson could play SG as well.

G, Mal, Lydon, Roberson, Coleman could be lineup as well for a little bit.

Cooney is a 5th year Senior he should be graded a lot higher standard than the kids younger.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think part of the frustration is that he also missed by a mile... On an uncontested look.

Then don't give him minutes like he's Fredette for 3 years? We make no attempt to develop anyone because of his play in practice...

I'm pretty sure we tried to develop Kaleb Joseph. He is not good.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I disagree about Howard. Before the last 2 games he could have played more. We didn't use him. Also Richardson could play SG as well.

G, Mal, Lydon, Roberson, Coleman could be lineup as well for a little bit.

Cooney is a 5th year Senior he should be graded a lot higher standard than the kids younger.

We wouldn't score. Roberson and Coleman clog the paint and Lydon is afraid to shoot.

I like Howard as well, and he was on his way to playing more until he got sick. This illness has been on and off since after Georgetown.

 

[Alsacs]

That isn't Boeheims philosophy. He plays each season to win as many games as possible in that season. He will never play guys to develop for next year.

I love JB but this philosophy is maddening and is part of the reason he underachieves in March because his teams are always finished products in November rather than peaking in February/March.

 

[cuseguy]

I'm pretty sure we tried to develop Kaleb Joseph. He is not good.

Joseph will probably transfer and we will have no one to replace him.

So we'll go into next year with only 3 guards and a 10-man roster.

 

[Alsacs]

We wouldn't score. Roberson and Coleman clog the paint and Lydon is afraid to shoot.

We don't score with Trevor on the floor either. He is the easiest guard in the P5 conference level to guard. His moves are all the same and easy to defend.

 

[Millhouse]

I skipped the game tonight. But the reason Cooney isn't clutch is because he doesn't make enough shots. It seems odd to ignore all the non clutch misses and say OMG this guy is so not clutch when he misses.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We don't score with Trevor on the floor either. He is the easiest guard in the P5 conference level to guard. His moves are all the same and easy to defend.

Well he had 12 in the second half. He should of had a four point play as well that the officials screwed us on, but that's an officiating issue. None of those other guys are even scoring 5 points right now.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Cooney has to play beyond his skill level to even give this team a chance. The staff makes him do too much, play too many minutes, etc. beacuse of THEIR recruiting debacles. On good teams he should be coming off the bench or a 3rd-4th option. He is forced to have to play like Dion Waiters or Marcus Paige. Not good.

 

[Alsacs]

Well he had 12 in the second half. He should of had a four point play as well that the officials screwed us on, but that's an officiating issue. None of those other guys are even scoring 5 points right now.

He is the best option obviously but that again falls on the staff. I feel bad for the kid watching him play. He isn't good enough to be asked to do what he does.

 

[patcuse]

To be honest, could careless about the shot. He panics and lacks awareness, have to know theres 11 seconds left and not 3. Settle down instead of playing hot potato[/QUO

Who's going to play? Joseph is bad. Coleman isn't giving us anything. Howard has been sick on and off for a month, and Cooney is shooting 36 percent from three which really is actually decent. He, Richardson and Gbinije need to be on the court at all times, especially now with Lydon all of a sudden scared to shoot.

Good post. Maybe we should take out Cooney and play with 4 guys

 

[SoBeCuse]

He is the best option obviously but that again falls on the staff. I feel bad for the kid watching him play. He isn't good enough to be asked to do what he does.

Agreed. The kid tries and works his tail off I'm sure but he isn't superhuman. The staff thinks he is JJ Redick or something. The staff made this mess of having him play nearly 40 mpg nearly 2.5 seasons in a row now.