Cooney

[Alsacs]

I disagree to a point, and maybe it'll change going forward, but teams want to stop both of those guys. I don't disagree that Cooney is a role player, but when Brandon Triche played like G has the last 3 games 3 years ago down the stretch he got killed on this board.

The reason Richardson has had open shots the last two games is because he was shooting 25 percent going into the conference and teams were happy to let him shoot. Maybe teams will gameplan to stop Richardson going forward and the other two guys can get open looks.
All of this highlights one thing. We are entirely too reliant on 3 guys that are all two guards.

Gbinije's PER this year is 21.8
Cooney's PER this year is 12.1
Richardson's PER this year is 15.4 and in the 3 ACC games it has been 21.3

An average D-1 College Basketball player PER is 12.0 an average P5 player PER is 13.5.

Cooney is a role player who plays the minutes of a superstar and that hurts him and the team.

 

[Conrad13]

He is far more concerned with contesting the pass to the big at the foul line than actually stepping out above the 3-point line and contesting a shooter.

He does do this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches want him to do it. The free throw line area is a huge hole in the zone. If the ball gets there and the center steps up it opens up easy back doors.

 

[Fly Rodder]

All of this highlights one thing. We are entirely too reliant on 3 guys that are all two guards.

and a small forward playing center.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Gbinije's PER this year is 21.8
Cooney's PER this year is 12.1
Richardson's PER this year is 15.4 and in the 3 ACC games it has been 21.3

An average D-1 College Basketball player PER is 12.0 an average P5 player PER is 13.5.

Cooney is a role player who plays the minutes of a superstar and that hurts him and the team.

I don't disagree. My point about Richardson is everyone thinks hes great already, and everyone loves his potential, and he's had three great games, but he's getting the most wide open looks on the team. ACC teams were letting him shoot because he shot 17% in December.

Everyones mad about the last shot last night. People forget what happened to even get us in position to win.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't disagree. My point about Richardson is everyone thinks hes great already, and everyone loves his potential, and he's had three great games, but he's getting the most wide open looks on the team. ACC teams were letting him shoot because he shot 17% in December.

Everyones mad about the last shot last night. People forget what happened to even get us in position to win.

I am not mad about last night. I am numb to Cooney he can't do anything anymore that angers me really. He shouldn't play 39 minutes a game but what the hell is the point anymore. We aren't good this year and I really hope JB realizes this falls on him as Cooney playing all these inefficient minutes hurts the offense.

The kid is likely going to end the year below 12 on PER that would be amazing and not in a good way. With how poor Malachi was playing he was still a more efficient player and he was getting his crap. Can Malachi and Battle be the starting backcourt next year?

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Interesting. G is supposed to be our best player. He is 5- 25 from three our first 3 ACC games and 50% from the line (13-26). He's 14-45 overall from the field 31% and has 12 turnovers.

By comparison Cooney is 7-18(39%) from three and 7-10 from the line, yet we blame the role player for our struggles.

This x 1000. If G hits his damn free throws we win last night for sure and Pitt probably. He's absolutely not our best player today...He may have the potential to be our best player, but he's clearly not...and that's why we are struggling.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I am not mad about last night. I am numb to Cooney he can't do anything anymore that angers me really. He shouldn't play 39 minutes a game but what the hell is the point anymore. We aren't good this year and I really hope JB realizes this falls on him as Cooney playing all these inefficient minutes hurts the offense.

The kid is likely going to end the year below 12 on PER that would be amazing and not in a good way. With how poor Malachi was playing he was still a more efficient player and he was getting his crap. Can Malachi and Battle be the starting backcourt next year?

I really wish Howard became the pg, but everyone says it's Battle, so who knows. PG is this teams biggest issue, last year's teams biggest issue, and probably will be an issue in the future unless we find another true distributor.

 

[Alsacs]

This x 1000. If G hits his damn free throws we win last night for sure and Pitt probably. He's absolutely not our best player today...He may have the potential to be our best player, but he's clearly not...and that's why we are struggling.

G has the team's best defender on him and he is responsible for getting the ball to Mal/Cooney/everyone else. G has way too much on his plate. He is by far our best player. Now Richardson has scored the most in the ACC games but G is the guy.

The other 5th year Senior doesn't create anything for anybody, doesn't rebound, he needs to make shots or he doesn't help the offense. There is a reason Cooney's PER is 12.1. He is a volume shooter. Cooney isn't the single reason we lost these games but he isn't giving us enough with the minutes he plays.

 

[pearl31]

There is a reason Cooney's PER is 12.1. He is a volume shooter.

Kind of like G's 4/13 from three last night?
(I generally agree with what you're saying - that they've put too much on G's plate - but he has been bad so far in the ACC)

 

[Alsacs]

Kind of like G's 4/13 from three last night?
(I generally agree with what you're saying - that they've put too much on G's plate - but he has been bad so far in the ACC)

G also racks up assists, a couple of rebounds, and draws fouls. G has struggled shooting but it still doesn't make a less efficient player than Cooney.

G does more for the team. Cooney needs to make shots or doesn't really do much more.

 

[pearl31]

G also racks up assists, a couple of rebounds, and draws fouls. G has struggled shooting but it still doesn't make a less efficient player than Cooney.

G does more for the team. Cooney needs to make shots or doesn't really do much more.

Cooney aside... you'd agree that G has been bad in league play, yes?

 

[Alsacs]

Cooney aside... you'd agree that G has been bad in league play, yes?

I would agree he has struggled and needs to improve for sure. I can just cut that kid a lot more slack when you see how much is on his plate. He is the only ballhandler playing right now.

 

[SmilinBob]

This team is a mix/mash mess of players thanks to the NCAA/SU/Transfers and that being said, I'm going to have some 6th graders teach Cooney how to use picks correctly because the 3 foot of space between him and the guy setting the pick is beyond a waste of time and energy. Also, the other teams know what spots he runs to and beats him there as well. No inside presence offensively or defensively what so ever and Landon will pump fake 40 times before he shoots.

 

[Cusefan0307]

G also racks up assists, a couple of rebounds, and draws fouls. G has struggled shooting but it still doesn't make a less efficient player than Cooney.

G does more for the team. Cooney needs to make shots or doesn't really do much more.

G should get more rebounds than Cooney. He doesn't. At least in conference play and he's Stevie Thompson from the line. I expect more from our best player. I'm not saying G is a bad player, because he isn't. You're right he has a lot on his plate, but Im sure Boeheim thought he would play better than this.

Im sure Scoop or Triche wish they were on this team with Cooney. They never would receive criticism.

I just think it's interesting who the fans consistently blame for our problems when in reality said player isn't the reason why we lost.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

G should get more rebounds than Cooney. He doesn't. At least in conference play and he's Stevie Thompson from the line. I expect more from our best player. I'm not saying G is a bad player, because he isn't. You're right he has a lot on his plate, but Im sure Boeheim thought he would play better than this.

Im sure Scoop or Triche wish they were on this team with Cooney. They never would receive criticism.

I just think it's interesting who the fans consistently blame for our problems when in reality said player isn't the reason why we lost.

I just got to watch the first half of last night's game (the feed keeps messing up for me so I'm not going to watch the second half). Seems like G's 3's are just too far back. I know he has the range, but he's better when he's within a foot or two of the line. But he was taking a bunch that were farther out than that, and he struggled with them. I'd like to see him get back to taking more at or near the line. I'm sure he'd have much more success.

 

[MikeSU02]

Cooney has been playing better (and, coincidentally, his usage rate has gone down), but to the point TinyManInside made, he usually craters in Feb/Mar.

I hope he bucks that trend, but playing this many mpg usually catches up with him, along with the night in/night out better competition in the conference.

I'm less concerned with Cooney, because I know what I'm getting. I'm more concerned with PG and FT shooting at this point. I've given up having any sort consistent presence at center.

 

[SUFan44]

Joseph will probably transfer and we will have no one to replace him.

So we'll go into next year with only 3 guards and a 10-man roster.

We will have an 11-man roster, in case you hadn't heard. And there will be someone who will replace him.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I just got to watch the first half of last night's game (the feed keeps messing up for me so I'm not going to watch the second half). Seems like G's 3's are just too far back. I know he has the range, but he's better when he's within a foot or two of the line. But he was taking a bunch that were farther out than that, and he struggled with them. I'd like to see him get back to taking more at or near the line. I'm sure he'd have much more success.

Yeah. He's got to be better if we are going to win any games. I really thought he would be first team All ACC. He cut down on the turnovers last night, but he really hasn't had a great game since we played St. Johns.

 

[Kowbelkat]

Interesting. G is supposed to be our best player. He is 5- 25 from three our first 3 ACC games and 50% from the line (13-26). He's 14-45 overall from the field 31% and has 12 turnovers.

By comparison Cooney is 7-18(39%) from three and 7-10 from the line, yet we blame the role player for our struggles.

This team is a mix/mash mess of players thanks to the NCAA/SU/Transfers and that being said, I'm going to have some 6th graders teach Cooney how to use picks correctly because the 3 foot of space between him and the guy setting the pick is beyond a waste of time and energy. Also, the other teams know what spots he runs to and beats him there as well. No inside presence offensively or defensively what so ever and Landon will pump fake 40 times before he shoots.

that is our offensive philosophy and not coneys fault everyone knows our game plan hell its been the same for years

 

[orangecuse]

I don't disagree. My point about Richardson is everyone thinks hes great already, and everyone loves his potential, and he's had three great games, but he's getting the most wide open looks on the team. ACC teams were letting him shoot because he shot 17% in December.

Everyones mad about the last shot last night. People forget what happened to even get us in position to win.

I think though that at least in part why MR seemingly is getting the most wide open looks is his pretty decent handle, and ability to penetrate and create a shot for himself.

 

[RF2044]

I just got to watch the first half of last night's game (the feed keeps messing up for me so I'm not going to watch the second half). Seems like G's 3's are just too far back. I know he has the range, but he's better when he's within a foot or two of the line. But he was taking a bunch that were farther out than that, and he struggled with them. I'd like to see him get back to taking more at or near the line. I'm sure he'd have much more success.

Remember a couple of games ago when the John Wooden's of the board were clamoring for G and Lydon to just shoot more as their solution to our offensive woes? Yeah... no. When he forces, you get those deep threes and off balance shots that he took in abundance last night.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think though that at least in part why MR seemingly is getting the most wide open looks is his pretty decent handle, and ability to penetrate and create a shot for himself.

I wasn't talking about the drives to the basket which we do need btw. I'm talking about the open looks at three he gets catching and shooting. He was our worst 3pt shooter entering conference play. Miami wasn't paying much attention to him, but yes he's playing better.

 

[orangecuse]

I wasn't talking about the drives to the basket which we do need btw. I'm talking about the open looks at three he gets catching and shooting. He was our worst 3pt shooter entering conference play. Miami wasn't paying much attention to him, but yes he's playing better.

10/4.

 

[Fly Rodder]

We will have an 11-man roster, in case you hadn't heard. And there will be someone who will replace him.

Syracuse doesn't bring in JUCO transfers. They're not over their limit on scholarships right now for next season even if Thompson commits. If they don't get Thompson and Joseph transfers, I'm not sure who they'll have lined up to come in since Boeheim won't do grad transfers.

 

[AZOrange]

To be honest, could careless about the shot. He panics and lacks awareness, have to know theres 11 seconds left and not 3. Settle down instead of playing hot potato

this is exactly the issue. It's also what separates a guy like Gmac. While he may have struggled shooting at times, GMac makes that play every time.