Dear Herm Frazier... Future schedule request

[Alsacs]

Would Buffalo do a 2 for 1?
I see no reason to play any Pac-12 teams until we are a consistent 7-8 win team. Going out West isn't necessary and the team isn't going to win in tough road venues on the West Coast. Mind you I loved the USC game in 2011 and remember that as our get of the Big East Saturday.
West Virginia just renewed the Backyard Brawl for 4 years and that is a legit CFB rivalry. We aren't going to play WVU in the regular season unless the Big XII expand to 12 and they reduce conference games to 8.
Rutgers would be a preferred opponent to UConn. Our AD falling behind in OOC scheduling is what caused this UConn series to even be signed for in 2016 and 2018. If we are going to be playing a Northeast school from the Big East days it should Rutgers.
From the rest of the Big Ten forget Michigan and Ohio State they won't play in the Carrier Dome due to size in 1-1s. Penn State would have played us but with the Big Ten going to 9 games and them having Maryland/Rutgers to kick around Syracuse becomes less likely on their schedule.
We just signed a home/home with Wisconsin and have played Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern in the last decade. That leaves Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, Nebraska from the Big Ten we haven't played home/home.
The Prose Bowl with Northwestern is the one I would try to renew if I were in the SU AD.

We should schedule
1- P5 school preferred non-Pac-12
2. I-AA school that isn't a FCS power
3. MAC team
4. AAC/Sun Belt team

 

[LAOrange]

ASU!

Best cheerleaders in the country

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Our old AD regime unlike most of our fellow P5 schools doesn't have our future OOC games scheduled. Most teams have their schedules done for the most part we have multiple openings thus these threads spring up more.
We need Coyle to get FB scheduling done a lot better.

Our P5's are done for the next 7 seasons (hopefully). The 1AA/FCS teams usually aren't done too far in advance. IMO we need someone new in 2017 & and another in 2018 before we can get Colgate back on in 2020. Not a big deal. The issue is the non P5 games which Frazier has been awful at getting on the schedule. We need one in 2017, one in 2018, and two in 2019. We can't wait much longer or we will be out of options.

 

[Alsacs]

Ideally the ACC would go 9 conference games but because of the ND affiliation and FSU playing UF and Clemson playing USC the ACC won't go 9 games and every 6 years force FSU/CU to only have 6 home games when they play at their SEC rivals and host ND. Georgia Tech wouldn't have a problem and they play UGA but Clemson/Florida State do and they deserves football ration and that is why the ACC stayed at 8 conference games.
The local economies of FSU/Clemson need 7 home games each year so that is why the ACC won't go to 9 conference games.

 

[Orangezoo]

I would love to see WVU back on the schedule. Esp since I live in WV and have to drive by WV flags in every yard on my way to work. Nothing like breaking some couch burner hearts.

 

[Alsacs]

Best cheerleaders in the country

Oregon wins this IMO.

 

[Orangezoo]

I dunno man... up against USC, UCLA and Zona its a tough call. There is zero doubt the Pac 12 is the top cheerleader conference in the country. No debate there.

 

[Alsacs]

I dunno man... up against USC, UCLA and Zona its a tough call. There is zero doubt the Pac 12 is the top cheerleader conference in the country. No debate there.

No doubt Pac-12 by far is the number 1 conference. It is all subjective on this between Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Oregon you can't be wrong. I personally would put Oregon #1 USC #2 Arizona State #3.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

I would like to play all those teams but we don't have much connection to any of them. Since 1918 we have played Michigan twice. We have only played Texas 3x one of which was the 1960 Cotton Bowl. Same with Auburn but their Bowl was the '88 Sugar. We played UCLA throughout the '60s but have not played them since.

If I can count right here are our the P5 teams we played the most in the Carrier Dome era:

33x RU & WV
14x Penn State
12x MD (including 2019)
7x Northwestern
5x Minny
4x Illinois & Ohio State

Which is such a small number of teams number given the 43 season time frame (assuming we don't add another P5 to future schedules).

If you want recent history it should be RU & WV (although WV will be very difficult to get on the schedule). If you want pre Big East history than it should be Penn State & MD (although MD will be difficult to get on the schedule). If you want someone else then it should be Northwestern. Outside of the Northeastern schools I wouldn't mind playing Northwestern on a yearly basis. Similar schools and they are in a major city.

Out of curiosity I am listing the ACC teams over that time frame too (assuming scheduling stays the same in conference through 2022)

43x Pitt
36x BC
21x Lousiville
18x VA Tech
14x FSU & Miami
12x NC State & Wake
11x Clemson
7x ND
5x UNC
4x GA Tech & UVA
2x Duke

Crazy that by 2022 we will have played Louisville the 5th most times since the Dome opened. And only 4 schools over half the time frame.

 

[Alsacs]

Out of curiosity I am listing the ACC teams over that time frame too (assuming scheduling stays the same in conference through 2022)

43x Pitt
36x BC
21x Lousiville
18x VA Tech
14x FSU & Miami
12x NC State & Wake
11x Clemson
7x ND
5x UNC
4x GA Tech & UVA
2x Duke

Crazy that by 2022 we will have played Louisville the 5th most times since the Dome opened. And only 4 schools over half the time frame.

To play Notre Dame more than our Coastal teams make no sense. I don't blame ND but the ACC seriously needs to look at a 9 game schedule which won't happen for the reasons I said unless Clemson and FSU were compensated.
I would rather get the Coastal teams on the schedule more frequently and I know you like me are advocates of the 3+5+5 scheduling method.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Oregon wins this IMO.
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I concur. They win every year.

 

[OrangePA]

I would like to play all those teams but we don't have much connection to any of them. Since 1918 we have played Michigan twice. We have only played Texas 3x one of which was the 1960 Cotton Bowl. Same with Auburn but their Bowl was the '88 Sugar. We played UCLA throughout the '60s but have not played them since.

If I can count right here are our the P5 teams we played the most in the Carrier Dome era:

33x RU & WV
14x Penn State
12x MD (including 2019)
7x Northwestern
5x Minny
4x Illinois & Ohio State

Which is such a small number of teams number given the 43 season time frame (assuming we don't add another P5 to future schedules).

If you want recent history it should be RU & WV (although WV will be very difficult to get on the schedule). If you want pre Big East history than it should be Penn State & MD (although MD will be difficult to get on the schedule). If you want someone else then it should be Northwestern. Outside of the Northeastern schools I wouldn't mind playing Northwestern on a yearly basis. Similar schools and they are in a major city.

I don't want to play Rutgers.

I don't care about Maryland.

And I'm not all that enthused by WVU or PSU.

Northwestern? Way too boring a name for what I have in mind.

I want drawing cards and the teams I have cited are drawing cards.

And we do have historical ties to most of the teams I mentioned - we regularly played UCLA in the 1960s - beating Gary Beban the Heisman Trophy winner - we played Texas in the NC Cotton Bowl game - we played Auburn in the 1988 Sugar Bowl.

We played Michigan twice in the late 1990s and both games were memorable.

I want big time opponents in the Dome - I want name schools that will draw fans and spur fan interest.

I want an LSU every year in the Dome.

 

[OrangePA]

Michigan with 9 B1G games won't schedule us again.
Auburn is a team we could get as the SEC requires 1 P5 team per year.
I doubt Texas will play us they have 9 conference games as well. We did turn down a series with them in 2007 during Gerg's run as HC.
UCLA is possible but likely.

Never say never.

Anything is possible.

We should strive to present to our fans big time opponents in the Dome every year.

The BIG teams still have to play three non-conference games. Same with Big 12. If necessary schedule one SEC team every other year in the Dome.

 

[Chip]

I don't want to play Rutgers.

I don't care about Maryland.

And I'm not all that enthused by WVU or PSU.

Northwestern? Way too boring a name for what I have in mind.

I want drawing cards and the teams I have cited are drawing cards.

And we do have historical ties to most of the teams I mentioned - we regularly played UCLA in the 1960s - beating Gary Beban the Heisman Trophy winner - we played Texas in the NC Cotton Bowl game - we played Auburn in the 1988 Sugar Bowl.

We played Michigan twice in the late 1990s and both games were memorable.

I want big time opponents in the Dome - I want name schools that will draw fans and spur fan interest.

I want an LSU every year in the Dome.

I like big opponents as much as the next guy or girl. But I'd pass on UCLA unless they'd agree to a 1 for 0. No more west coast trips. They just don't treat us kindly.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Never say never.

Anything is possible.

We should strive to present to our fans big time opponents in the Dome every year.

The BIG teams still have to play three non-conference games. Same with Big 12. If necessary schedule one SEC team every other year in the Dome.

But it isn't up to SU. It takes two to tango. Michigan has 9 B1G games going forward. Under the current dynamics teams no not want to play more than 1 P5 team OOC. Michigan already has an OOC P5 game scheduled through 2027. Do you expect them to play 11 games vs P5 schools and only 1 non P5 game? Michigan makes a lot of money for home games. Why would they limit that to 6 in a season? They currently have two P5 games in 2020 & 2021. I bet they try to move those or cancel them.

The big time teams in the B12 & B1G only want to play 1 OOC game vs another P5. So if you are one of those schools why would you pick SU?

 

[longtimefan]

Not gonna happen.

They have at least 3-4 other teams they'd prefer to schedule (Pitt, VTech, PSU, etc) before us.

Army.
Home and home.
Make it happen, Herm.

I don't understand the whole Army situation. This year, they play PSU, Rutgers, UConn, Wake Forest, and Duke. SU fits that profile exactly.

 

[Rocco]

There are logical reasons not to want Rutgers.

But that school just gets this board going. Imagine Rutgers week here?

I used to say no right after we got the ACC bid. Because I wanted them reduced to the Rutgers I (barely) knew in the 90s. But then the B1G came calling, so here we are...

Move BC to 2nd or 3rd weekend in October, and make Rutgers our annual finale. That's what I'd do if I were running things.

Exactly, no other school has a 2350 and counting post thread about all things Rutgers dumpster fire.

Our fan bases hate each other and I agree it would be hilariously epic.

 

[kirbivore]

I like big opponents as much as the next guy or girl. But I'd pass on UCLA unless they'd agree to a 1 for 0. No more west coast trips. They just don't treat us kindly.

The only time I want sure to cross the Mississippi is to play unlv. Fun weekend for all and drivable for the L.A. alums

 

[djorange1989]

1 FCS
1 MAC
1 Florida based
1 beatable P5 team(Illinois, Purdue, Vandy, Kansas etc)

We play FSU, Clemson and Louisville every year and ND every few years. That's plenty of big opponents as far as I am concerned.

 

[kirbivore]

hidden camera footage of Herm working on the schedule

 

[Moontan]

I want big time opponents in the Dome - I want name schools that will draw fans and spur fan interest.

I want an LSU every year in the Dome.

Which would mean playing two big name programs OOC every year (remember, they'd want a return game ). This would probably be too much of a good thing and could turn into program scheduling suicide.

How about an LSU type home game every other year?

 

[Rocco]

Which would mean playing two big name programs OOC every year (remember, they'd want a return game ). This would probably be too much of a good thing and could turn into program scheduling suicide.

How about an LSU type home game every other year?

I would love to play an Illinois, Purdue or Northwestern every year. We recruit out that way and those programs are more in-line peer programs with us than some of the bigger schools. Oh yeah, the B1G, too.

 

[jr4750]

I would love to play an Illinois, Purdue or Northwestern every year. We recruit out that way and those programs are more in-line peer programs with us than some of the bigger schools. Oh yeah, the B1G, too.

amen, Northwestern has purposely scheduled who they believe to be their peer schools recently, Stanford, Duke, Georgia Tech, etc., with the idea that they would beat them and recruit directly against them. Although, we have played them within the last 10 years a few times, I was dismayed when our name wasn't brought up in that list. I want us to be in that hierarchy of schools athletically and scholastically.