Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[KellySyracuse]

Great story today by Robert Searing, curator of history for the Onondaga Historical Association. I love reading about Syracuse history, the salt potato is well known but he offers a few tidbits here that I did not know.

Exploring the rich Irish heritage in Syracuse and the invention of the salt potato

OHA curator Robert Searing explores Syracuse's Irish heritage and the creation of the its favorite summer side.

www.syracuse.com

"As the story goes, the salt-boilers brought potatoes, a staple of their diets, in to work. At some point, a flash of divine inspiration came over them and they threw the spuds into the big bubbling kettles. Little did they know that this delightful dish, born of necessity and convivence, would become the region’s culinary calling card.

By the 1880s, the taverns and saloons on Syracuse’s North Side, where many of the boilers and other workers congregated at the end of a hard day, were serving bowls of salt potatoes with their pints. One establishment in particular, Keefe Brothers, can be identified as the place that brought salt potatoes out of the blocks and into the bars."

 

[KellySyracuse]

more...

"Keefe Brothers were the first, but Hinerwadel’s Grove, another North Side establishment, made salt potatoes famous. They served them as part of their legendary clambakes from the day they opened in 1904. In 1981, Hinerwadel’s trademarked their “famous salt potatoes” and began selling the beloved five-pound white bag of potatoes and a salt packet. Sadly, Hinerwadel’s Grove closed in 2018, but the iconic white bag lives on. Pick one up for the holiday or for your first springtime cookout, go home and pretend you’re an 19th century salt boiler! They pair wonderfully with a Guinness."

 

[KellySyracuse]

I had a great aunt that lived at the Skyline Apts back in the 70's when it was a high end apt building. My mother would pick her up every Sunday, we'd make the trek on Rt81 past the Wonder Bread bakery and could smell the bread baking. It was right past the oil tanks that so many people thought we couldn't survive without. Congel's one good deed.

My aunt Ethel would give me and my brother candies, sometimes there were Brachs, yum, and sometimes it was ribbon candy, yuck. She liked to watch 60 Minutes when we wanted to watch Wild Kingdom and Wonderful World of Disney.

In my memory the building seems as beautiful as it did back then. More recently I remember going to a restaurant there, probably about at least a dozen years ago. Anyway, Aunt Ethel if she were alive would be 150 years old now and still be thinking people liked ribbon candy.

‘Fearless’ retired teacher, 93, was killed in Skyline Apartments, family says

Connie Tuori was discovered murdered in her apartment Wednesday afternoon, police said.

www.syracuse.com

Connie Tuori, 93, survived Afghanistan, Antarctica and African safari, only to be killed in her Syracuse apartment

The globetrotting teacher and librarian lived a simple life to pay for her lifelong travel bug that took her to all seven continents.

www.syracuse.com

Police, tenants push football legend Tim Green’s firm to fix nightmare apartments

Green owns the Skyline apartments on James Street, plus more than a dozen other complexes worth $26M

www.syracuse.com

Inside Tim Green’s Skyline Apartments: Murder, drugs and filth. Tenants, cops say enough already

Syracuse police are called there about three times a day. An elderly woman was killed there this week.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Cheriehoop]

I had a great aunt that lived at the Skyline Apts back in the 70's when it was a high end apt building. My mother would pick her up every Sunday, we'd make the trek on Rt81 past the Wonder Bread bakery and could smell the bread baking. It was right past the oil tanks that so many people thought we couldn't survive without. Congel's one good deed.

My aunt Ethel would give me and my brother candies, sometimes there were Brachs, yum, and sometimes it was ribbon candy, yuck. She liked to watch 60 Minutes when we wanted to watch Wild Kingdom and Wonderful World of Disney.

In my memory the building seems as beautiful as it did back then. More recently I remember going to a restaurant there, probably about at least a dozen years ago. Anyway, Aunt Ethel if she were alive would be 150 years old now and still be thinking people liked ribbon candy.

‘Fearless’ retired teacher, 93, was killed in Skyline Apartments, family says

Connie Tuori was discovered murdered in her apartment Wednesday afternoon, police said.

www.syracuse.com

Connie Tuori, 93, survived Afghanistan, Antarctica and African safari, only to be killed in her Syracuse apartment

The globetrotting teacher and librarian lived a simple life to pay for her lifelong travel bug that took her to all seven continents.

www.syracuse.com

Police, tenants push football legend Tim Green’s firm to fix nightmare apartments

Green owns the Skyline apartments on James Street, plus more than a dozen other complexes worth $26M

www.syracuse.com

Inside Tim Green’s Skyline Apartments: Murder, drugs and filth. Tenants, cops say enough already

Syracuse police are called there about three times a day. An elderly woman was killed there this week.

www.syracuse.com

Sad sad story. So cowardly.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Sad sad story. So cowardly.

Imagine spending your life fearless and trotting around the globe only to be murdered in your hometown. Sickening

 

[tptcuse]

I had a great aunt that lived at the Skyline Apts back in the 70's when it was a high end apt building. My mother would pick her up every Sunday, we'd make the trek on Rt81 past the Wonder Bread bakery and could smell the bread baking. It was right past the oil tanks that so many people thought we couldn't survive without. Congel's one good deed.

My aunt Ethel would give me and my brother candies, sometimes there were Brachs, yum, and sometimes it was ribbon candy, yuck. She liked to watch 60 Minutes when we wanted to watch Wild Kingdom and Wonderful World of Disney.

In my memory the building seems as beautiful as it did back then. More recently I remember going to a restaurant there, probably about at least a dozen years ago. Anyway, Aunt Ethel if she were alive would be 150 years old now and still be thinking people liked ribbon candy.

‘Fearless’ retired teacher, 93, was killed in Skyline Apartments, family says

Connie Tuori was discovered murdered in her apartment Wednesday afternoon, police said.

www.syracuse.com

Connie Tuori, 93, survived Afghanistan, Antarctica and African safari, only to be killed in her Syracuse apartment

The globetrotting teacher and librarian lived a simple life to pay for her lifelong travel bug that took her to all seven continents.

www.syracuse.com

Police, tenants push football legend Tim Green’s firm to fix nightmare apartments

Green owns the Skyline apartments on James Street, plus more than a dozen other complexes worth $26M

www.syracuse.com

Inside Tim Green’s Skyline Apartments: Murder, drugs and filth. Tenants, cops say enough already

Syracuse police are called there about three times a day. An elderly woman was killed there this week.

www.syracuse.com

"The apartments are managed by a company he owns with his son, Troy Green, 25." A 25-year old in charge. Ridiculous.

 

[OttoMets]

Imagine spending your life fearless and trotting around the globe only to be murdered in your hometown. Sickening

Tweaked.

Horrible.

Tim Green should be remembered as a despicable slumlord.

 

[shandeezy7]

I had a great aunt that lived at the Skyline Apts back in the 70's when it was a high end apt building. My mother would pick her up every Sunday, we'd make the trek on Rt81 past the Wonder Bread bakery and could smell the bread baking. It was right past the oil tanks that so many people thought we couldn't survive without. Congel's one good deed.

My aunt Ethel would give me and my brother candies, sometimes there were Brachs, yum, and sometimes it was ribbon candy, yuck. She liked to watch 60 Minutes when we wanted to watch Wild Kingdom and Wonderful World of Disney.

In my memory the building seems as beautiful as it did back then. More recently I remember going to a restaurant there, probably about at least a dozen years ago. Anyway, Aunt Ethel if she were alive would be 150 years old now and still be thinking people liked ribbon candy.

‘Fearless’ retired teacher, 93, was killed in Skyline Apartments, family says

Connie Tuori was discovered murdered in her apartment Wednesday afternoon, police said.

www.syracuse.com

Connie Tuori, 93, survived Afghanistan, Antarctica and African safari, only to be killed in her Syracuse apartment

The globetrotting teacher and librarian lived a simple life to pay for her lifelong travel bug that took her to all seven continents.

www.syracuse.com

Police, tenants push football legend Tim Green’s firm to fix nightmare apartments

Green owns the Skyline apartments on James Street, plus more than a dozen other complexes worth $26M

www.syracuse.com

Inside Tim Green’s Skyline Apartments: Murder, drugs and filth. Tenants, cops say enough already

Syracuse police are called there about three times a day. An elderly woman was killed there this week.

www.syracuse.com

A college friend's dad used to run the Skyline Grill. It wasn't the greatest building then, but decent enough for a lower-rent apartment option close to downtown. Today, it sounds more and more like the Cecil Hotel.

 

[KellySyracuse]

A college friend's dad used to run the Skyline Grill. It wasn't the greatest building then, but decent enough for a lower-rent apartment option close to downtown. Today, it sounds more and more like the Cecil Hotel.

that must have been what it was the last time I was there and when I think about it had to be at least 20 years ago.

 

[OttoMets]

A college friend's dad used to run the Skyline Grill. It wasn't the greatest building then, but decent enough for a lower-rent apartment option close to downtown. Today, it sounds more and more like the Cecil Hotel.

I'm not familiar with this Cecil Hotel, but that's what my wife was saying when I was telling her about the situation recently.

Obviously I've done a little work related to Skyline in the last few months; in researching the history, I was surprised at what a nice property it was for most of its life. Though society's changed in some ways for the worse, the chief difference here is management.

Longley-Jones cheaped out on repairs as they underwent management changes and then looked to dump properties, and then the new owners took things to a whole new level. I'm not exactly sharing state secrets here: their rent roll and pro forma are (inexplicably) online as part of their listing. The building is a mint, but they want to increase profit margins at any cost. Part of that cost is eliminating daytime security and doing virtually no repairs and maintenance.

 

[OttoMets]

"Don't wade into the Slumlord Tim Green thread on the football board, don't wade into the Slumlord Tim Green thread on the football board..."

"Ah, someone's wrong on the internet, gotta set things right."

Wrong choice.

But it's nice to see the personal responsibility crowd are alive and well.

 

[bevosu]

When I first moved to Syracuse The Skyline apartments were considered higher end...Imperial Gardens and The Regency Tower. All decent.

It's obvious that slumlords have gotten away with murder on the south side...near west side and now the north side with multi-family and single-family rentals. The Skyline is a larger example of that neglected neglect. Something is wrong when slumlords are allowed to basically ruin neighborhoods.


Here's a Google comment from a resident of the Skyline.

a month ago
I moved in three years ago, and despite how much I love my apartment I have made the difficult decision to leave. In the last year the safety issues have become so much worse that I no longer allow family and friends to visit. I am also in danger of losing my home health care provider due to the safety issues. Some agencies will no longer send their workers here. The police are here almost every day and quite often more than once. Other emergency vehicles arrive daily as well. The Fire Dept., must come almost every day to turn off the faulty fire alarm - sometimes three or more times a day! This evening it went off four times. The reality is that the owner uses the city's police department as a free security outfit because he won't invest in the proper professional security measures recommended by the department. Long term tenants have left in a grand exodus. But the owner simply increased the number of apartments available to a large not for profit agency that provides subsidized apartments for the chronically homeless. That is not a bad thing except the government program that pays for this, by law does not allow for its clients (the homeless) to be forced into mental health, addiction treatments, evaluations or ANY programs against their will. The idea is to get the homeless off the street first and then inform them that these programs are available "should they want them". Therefor there are a good percentage who are not prepared or provided the necessary tools to successfully transition from years of living on the streets. And just as an aside; current estimates have it that 25% of the long term chronically homeless suffer from undiagnosed and untreated mental illness. The Greens are simply profiting off the taxpayers dime by receiving guaranteed rental income provided by the government. The program is a desperate attempt to solve a problem that has no real solution. There is no supervision or on-site staff for them yet, the Skyline is becoming a hybrid shelter/psychiatric center that is neither staffed or experienced in dealing with inherent issues involved. And there are drugs, drugs, and so much more drugs! The amount of drug selling, usage, and associated incidents is so rampant it is unavoidable. I have been offered drugs while in the elevator during the middle of the day - and so has my aid!!! I can watch it take place from my window when I am bored. I can smell it when I open my apartment door - and even if I do not. Currently almost a quarter of the 360 apartments are rented by that one agency. To put it bluntly, the owner Tim Green has turned the Skyline into a chaotic and very unsafe place in order to collect guaranteed subsidized rent that is given to these agencies by the State and Federal government. One last thing. Aside from the many other unmentioned issues it all comes down to the owner Tim Green and his son not wanting to invest in the proper money and resources necessary to change this. They just collect the subsidized rent, while living handsomely off the tax-payers in their big mansion on the lake. And although they may be trying to sell this mess, they currently own 34 other buildings within in four states. Just imagine the sheer amount of damage this one family, the Greens are contributing to all the communities in which their buildings happen to be.

 

[KellySyracuse]

exactly this from the review posted above

The Greens are simply profiting off the taxpayers dime by receiving guaranteed rental income provided by the government.

I took a venture into the Tim Green thread on the football board and was surprised to see that this was not mentioned. Of course this is all about the government money grab and with a 25 year old kid running the place no one should be surprised. Now a woman is dead, that is on the Greens. It's disgusting and infuriating that taxpayers are subsidizing the mansion on the lake.

 

[OttoMets]

exactly this from the review posted above

The Greens are simply profiting off the taxpayers dime by receiving guaranteed rental income provided by the government.

I took a venture into the Tim Green thread on the football board and was surprised to see that this was not mentioned. Of course this is all about the government money grab and with a 25 year old kid running the place no one should be surprised. Now a woman is dead, that is on the Greens. It's disgusting and infuriating that taxpayers are subsidizing the mansion on the lake.

Privatize profits, socialize losses. It's SOP for a certain sort.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Privatize profits, socialize losses. It's SOP for a certain sort.

it's the equivalent of a smash and grab, take as much money as you can get and leave what remains in ruins.

 

[bevosu]

I remember a few years back when he was floating the idea of running for political office. I never trusted him after his football career ended.

 

[KellySyracuse]

On a lighter note, this place sounds fabulous. It's located in the old Provision's space in Armory.

First Look: Downtown’s newest pizzeria serves a mean slice, but the wings are on FIRE (literally!)

Charlee's Pizzeria opened last week in Armory Square.

www.syracuse.com

"You must try​

The University Pizza ($13.99/10-inch and $20.99/16-inch): This is one of six gourmet pizzas on the current menu. Like all of the pizzas here, it starts with the dough they make each morning. They run the ball of dough through an aerator before flattening it by hand. The pizza spends ¾ of its time in the oven on the thin pan and the last quarter on the stone. The crust comes out light and soft, not overly crispy.

This is a garlic pizza topped with diced figs, pork tenderloin that had been roasted for five hours at a low temperature, mozzarella cheese and drizzled with truffle oil."

 

[Trueblue25]

Salt City Market filled up all 26 apartments and published the demographic data in accordance to their mission.

They’re making a difference for the city little by little it seems.

 

[shandeezy7]

Good news for one of the most unique restaurant locations in CNY:

The Mission in Syracuse to become new 'California Tex-Mex' restaurant

The owners of popular Syracuse restaurant Oh My Darling are taking over the building formerly home to The Mission and opening a new "Califonia Tex-Mex" restaurant this summer. Plans for the new restaurant, called 'Luna Loca', were announced by Oh My Darling on Instagram. "Taking over the...

cnycentral.com

 

[Trueblue25]

ooo love Tex Mex.

Also a BIG XO Taco fan

 

[OttoMets]

Salt City Market filled up all 26 apartments and published the demographic data in accordance to their mission.

They’re making a difference for the city little by little it seems.

Link?

I've been interested to hear how many disenfranchised people are suspicious of the Allyn Foundation. I've got my minor quibbles but generally am impressed with what they're doing. Central New York is really impoverished from a philanthropy perspective and Allyn has the potential to do great things.

 

[OttoMets]

Good news for one of the most unique restaurant locations in CNY:

The Mission in Syracuse to become new 'California Tex-Mex' restaurant

The owners of popular Syracuse restaurant Oh My Darling are taking over the building formerly home to The Mission and opening a new "Califonia Tex-Mex" restaurant this summer. Plans for the new restaurant, called 'Luna Loca', were announced by Oh My Darling on Instagram. "Taking over the...

cnycentral.com

Couldn't pick a better caretaker, as he puts it, for that space.

Stay tuned.

 

[Trueblue25]

Link?

I've been interested to hear how many disenfranchised people are suspicious of the Allyn Foundation. I've got my minor quibbles but generally am impressed with what they're doing. Central New York is really impoverished from a philanthropy perspective and Allyn has the potential to do great things.

The data’s more visible and fit to frame in their profile story.

 

[Ghost]

a month ago
I moved in three years ago, and despite how much I love my apartment I have made the difficult decision to leave. In the last year the safety issues have become so much worse that I no longer allow family and friends to visit. I am also in danger of losing my home health care provider due to the safety issues. Some agencies will no longer send their workers here. The police are here almost every day and quite often more than once. Other emergency vehicles arrive daily as well. The Fire Dept., must come almost every day to turn off the faulty fire alarm - sometimes three or more times a day! This evening it went off four times. The reality is that the owner uses the city's police department as a free security outfit because he won't invest in the proper professional security measures recommended by the department. Long term tenants have left in a grand exodus. But the owner simply increased the number of apartments available to a large not for profit agency that provides subsidized apartments for the chronically homeless. That is not a bad thing except the government program that pays for this, by law does not allow for its clients (the homeless) to be forced into mental health, addiction treatments, evaluations or ANY programs against their will. The idea is to get the homeless off the street first and then inform them that these programs are available "should they want them". Therefor there are a good percentage who are not prepared or provided the necessary tools to successfully transition from years of living on the streets. And just as an aside; current estimates have it that 25% of the long term chronically homeless suffer from undiagnosed and untreated mental illness. The Greens are simply profiting off the taxpayers dime by receiving guaranteed rental income provided by the government. The program is a desperate attempt to solve a problem that has no real solution. There is no supervision or on-site staff for them yet, the Skyline is becoming a hybrid shelter/psychiatric center that is neither staffed or experienced in dealing with inherent issues involved. And there are drugs, drugs, and so much more drugs! The amount of drug selling, usage, and associated incidents is so rampant it is unavoidable. I have been offered drugs while in the elevator during the middle of the day - and so has my aid!!! I can watch it take place from my window when I am bored. I can smell it when I open my apartment door - and even if I do not. Currently almost a quarter of the 360 apartments are rented by that one agency. To put it bluntly, the owner Tim Green has turned the Skyline into a chaotic and very unsafe place in order to collect guaranteed subsidized rent that is given to these agencies by the State and Federal government. One last thing. Aside from the many other unmentioned issues it all comes down to the owner Tim Green and his son not wanting to invest in the proper money and resources necessary to change this. They just collect the subsidized rent, while living handsomely off the tax-payers in their big mansion on the lake. And although they may be trying to sell this mess, they currently own 34 other buildings within in four states. Just imagine the sheer amount of damage this one family, the Greens are contributing to all the communities in which their buildings happen to be.

The homeless people bit is interesting. What program is this? That's NOT how we do it in Canada...it does seem to mimic what a lot of people were complaining about with NYC early on during COVID. Haphazardly placing people in buildings to get them off the street w/out much concern for the secondary impact on existing residents/families.

Anyway, I know that building! I used to walk to that Chase - my bank! I stole a ton of pens from that bank. Chase has nice pens, much better than RBC up here. Anyway, that is not a nice area. I always use that as my "jaywalking should be definitely be illegal - AND enforced" argument. Lodi Street. Holy hell is that thing a free-for-all at times with people just walking in the street at all hours.

I'll also note - that person is NOT lying. There were ALWAYS fire trucks in front of that place. Always. lol

 

[shandeezy7]

This one was announced before the pandemic. Good to see it will be getting started shortly. Don't much care for the design, but almost anything is better than how it currently looks.

Long-vacant Syracuse office building will get new life and honor firefighters

The building overlooking Firefighters Memorial Park has been vacant for over 20 years.

www.syracuse.com