Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[PhatOrange]

Now if they set up some sort of boat taxi from the Village of Liverpool it would solve most of my gripes.

My brother has a pontoon boat at the marina. i've suggested he taxi people back and forth.

 

[PhatOrange]

I've never been to this Amp so I have a question, is it oriented so you can see the city skyline at night? I've been to a lot of Amps all over the country. I love when you can see a lit up city skyline in the background.

And SPAC is god awful. I live in it's shadow so I know. I detest going to shows there and it has to be pavilion, worst lawn seating ever. Driving in and out, parking, walking to and from, getting around in side, bathrooms etc, worst ever. You guys have it made with the Lakeview.

and Godsmack tonight at the Lakeview is going to be sick. They crushed it last week at SPAC.

 

[dooey139]

I've never been to this Amp so I have a question, is it oriented so you can see the city skyline at night? I've been to a lot of Amps all over the country. I love when you can see a lit up city skyline in the background.

And SPAC is god awful. I live in it's shadow so I know. I detest going to shows there and it has to be pavilion, worst lawn seating ever. Driving in and out, parking, walking to and from, getting around in side, bathrooms etc, worst ever. You guys have it made with the Lakeview.

and Godsmack tonight at the Lakeview is going to be sick. They crushed it last week at SPAC.

It faces the other way, but because of that you get to see some of the best sunsets around

 

[KellySyracuse]

Just saw this survey posted on Facebook regarding the planned public food hall building across from the Hotel Syracuse that the Allyn Foundation is partnering on. If anyone is interested, feel free to fill it out to have your voice heard:

www.surveymonkey.com/r/syrpublicmarket

A problem corner will get new life across from the Hotel Syracuse

thanks for posting the survey. Something similar to Eataly in NYC would be fantastic, obviously doesn't have to be that big but the variety with a rooftop bar/restaurant would be a home run. Syracuse needs an authentic cheese shop and a real deli.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I've never been to this Amp so I have a question, is it oriented so you can see the city skyline at night? I've been to a lot of Amps all over the country. I love when you can see a lit up city skyline in the background.

And SPAC is god awful. I live in it's shadow so I know. I detest going to shows there and it has to be pavilion, worst lawn seating ever. Driving in and out, parking, walking to and from, getting around in side, bathrooms etc, worst ever. You guys have it made with the Lakeview.

and Godsmack tonight at the Lakeview is going to be sick. They crushed it last week at SPAC.

Lakeview is ten times better than SPAC. The sight lines and spacing are so much better!

Plus you get a great view of the lake.

 

[TexanMark]

My wife went to HS with the owner. This place looks like an awesome place to hit on Football Weekends.

Talisman Taproom

Talisman Tap Room (the former J.Ryan's Pub) now open in Syracuse

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is what I am thinking, I'm sure people want it so they can have the option, but how many people are going to want to walk across downtown with bags of groceries in their hands? It would be used for quick trips for one or two things, which I'm not sure would support a full fledged grocery store.

Also that Expo Market looks awesome, hopefully they do follow that concept.

A lot more people live downtown than there used to be. They have to get their groceries from somewhere, and many of them are students without cars.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Lakeview is ten times better than SPAC. The sight lines and spacing are so much better!

Plus you get a great view of the lake.

SPAC has way better seating, vendors and toilets.
The AMP is a sewer for those on the lawn who have to use port-a-potties that haven't been emptied since five shows ago. Also far, far easier to get in and out of for car traffic.

 

[TexanMark]

A lot more people live downtown than there used to be. They have to get their groceries from somewhere, and many of them are students without cars.

Trader Joe's it would be perfect for the lifestyle of those living downtown.

I wish Weggie's would develop a Trader Joe's concept

 

[IthacaMatt]

I've never been to this Amp so I have a question, is it oriented so you can see the city skyline at night? I've been to a lot of Amps all over the country. I love when you can see a lit up city skyline in the background.

And SPAC is god awful. I live in it's shadow so I know. I detest going to shows there and it has to be pavilion, worst lawn seating ever. Driving in and out, parking, walking to and from, getting around in side, bathrooms etc, worst ever. You guys have it made with the Lakeview.

and Godsmack tonight at the Lakeview is going to be sick. They crushed it last week at SPAC.

No, it looks toward Liverpool, not Downtown. Nice view though at sunset. That's the best thing about it. Video screens are way too small. PA speakers not loud enough for the lawn. Yes, the pavilion seating is a must at SPAC, but they have about 3 times as many seats under the roof as the AMP. How do you build an outdoor arena that only has about 2,500 actual seats?

 

[Cusefan0307]

SPAC has way better seating, vendors and toilets.
The AMP is a sewer for those on the lawn who have to use port-a-potties that haven't been emptied since five shows ago. Also far, far easier to get in and out of for car traffic.

I guess there's some opinion involved. The most packed show I went to was Phish and the port-a-potties were fine.

I went to Kings of Leon and the regular bathrooms were fine as well and that show was quite packed.

The vendors seem the same to me.

I think SPAC is incredibly overrated and they jam people into an entirely too small of a space.

 

[GoCuse08]

SPAC has way better seating, vendors and toilets.
The AMP is a sewer for those on the lawn who have to use port-a-potties that haven't been emptied since five shows ago. Also far, far easier to get in and out of for car traffic.

Interesting...the one SPAC concert I went to (way back in the day) we got stuck for hours trying to get out. I didn't get home to Syracuse until the sun was coming up. Swore I would never do that again.

The one time I went to the AMP for Kings of Leon I was able to get in and out no problem. Alhough I ubered there and took the bus to the downtown station and ubered home from there. However, I know people who parked in the VIP lot and said they where able to get in and out no problem.

 

[dooey139]

No, it looks toward Liverpool, not Downtown. Nice view though at sunset. That's the best thing about it. Video screens are way too small. PA speakers not loud enough for the lawn. Yes, the pavilion seating is a must at SPAC, but they have about 3 times as many seats under the roof as the AMP. How do you build an outdoor arena that only has about 2,500 actual seats?

There's actually roughly 5,000 seats in the pavilion. Lakeview Amphitheater stadium and arena seating seating by Irwin Seating with beam mount 115.115.25.55 Solara & 51.12.18.12 Marquee chairs. | Irwin Seating Company

 

[GoCuse08]

There's actually roughly 5,000 seats in the pavilion. Lakeview Amphitheater stadium and arena seating seating by Irwin Seating with beam mount 115.115.25.55 Solara & 51.12.18.12 Marquee chairs. | Irwin Seating Company

SPAC has about 5000 also, right? So about the same?

 

[dooey139]

SPAC has about 5000 also, right? So about the same?

Yep. Our Venues | SPAC

 

[Bill Orange]

I went to the Skynyrd concert last Friday evening. We had preferred parking and got there early, so getting in was fine. The venue is beautiful and the acoustics were top notch.

Despite the fact that we tailgated for about an hour after the show, getting out of the lot was a total cluster. Not only do they only have one exit to funnel out 4/5 lines of cars, the attendants (not law enforcement) had no -ing idea what in the hell they doing. They would let 10 or so cars from one line go, then only 2 or 3 from the next line, etc.

 

[OttoMets]

Trader Joe's it would be perfect for the lifestyle of those living downtown.

I wish Weggie's would develop a Trader Joe's concept

Tell 'em.

They know a lot more about groceries than the two of us put together, but I'm with you that it's insane that Wegman's is clutching to the big box concept when everything else in America is moving in the other direction (e-commerce, smaller formats, urban, walkable).

Urban 35,000-sf stores would crush it in the Upstate cities because a) people like Wegmans and b) there's relatively large new populations with no competition. I think the market needs to remind Wegmans about this and push them in that direction.

Without that, though, I agree that TJ's or Whole Foods could do well. Not only would residents support it (and concerns about schlepping lots of bags don't hold up for a couple reasons - first, a neighborhood store would probably patronized a couple days a week, so people wouldn't make giant purchases in one shot; second, people are already buying groceries and carrying them to their apartments without any trouble...this just brings the store closer to them), but there are over 20,000 employees downtown five days a week. Many of them would embrace another option, especially if it's got more appeal than your generic Tops.

 

[GoCuse08]

I went to the Skynyrd concert last Friday evening. We had preferred parking and got there early, so getting in was fine. The venue is beautiful and the acoustics were top notch.

Despite the fact that we tailgated for about an hour after the show, getting out of the lot was a total cluster. Not only do they only have one exit to funnel out 4/5 lines of cars, the attendants (not law enforcement) had no -ing idea what in the hell they doing. They would let 10 or so cars from one line go, then only 2 or 3 from the next line, etc.

This is probably why i won't drive there...that and I wouldn't be sober enough to drive home anyways.

When I went I took the downtown bus and there was no line to get on the bus and took only a few minutes to get to the bus station. They seem to have a separate road that the buses can take to leave. Then it was just a simple Uber ride home from there.

 

[Scooch]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but two comments...

1) Don't (affluent-ish) people in cities just order groceries online for delivery? Literally everyone I know who lives in NYC uses FreshDirect or a similar service. I get the need to run out last-minute or late-night for something, but there doesn't need to be a full blown supermarket for that, does there?

2) I don't know if it was a typical experience, but I went to SPAC for an Imagine Dragons show this summer and it was a disaster. The lawn was so oversold that there was not a blade of grass available an hour before show time. Unless I missed something, the food options absolutely sucked -- there were a handful of food trucks with absurdly long lines. Same for bathroom facilities, just port-o-potties top handle thousands of people. Lastly, getting out was awful. I sat in my car without moving for 90 minutes, then took another 30 to get out of the lot. Thank goodness the show was good, because everything else about the experience was miserable.

 

[PhatOrange]

2) I don't know if it was a typical experience, but I went to SPAC for an Imagine Dragons show this summer and it was a disaster. The lawn was so oversold that there was not a blade of grass available an hour before show time. Unless I missed something, the food options absolutely sucked -- there were a handful of food trucks with absurdly long lines. Same for bathroom facilities, just port-o-potties top handle thousands of people. Lastly, getting out was awful. I sat in my car without moving for 90 minutes, then took another 30 to get out of the lot. Thank goodness the show was good, because everything else about the experience was miserable.

That's a very typical SPAC experience.

 

[CarolinaCuse]

Tell 'em.

They know a lot more about groceries than the two of us put together, but I'm with you that it's insane that Wegman's is clutching to the big box concept when everything else in America is moving in the other direction (e-commerce, smaller formats, urban, walkable).

Urban 35,000-sf stores would crush it in the Upstate cities because a) people like Wegmans and b) there's relatively large new populations with no competition. I think the market needs to remind Wegmans about this and push them in that direction.

Without that, though, I agree that TJ's or Whole Foods could do well. Not only would residents support it (and concerns about schlepping lots of bags don't hold up for a couple reasons - first, a neighborhood store would probably patronized a couple days a week, so people wouldn't make giant purchases in one shot; second, people are already buying groceries and carrying them to their apartments without any trouble...this just brings the store closer to them), but there are over 20,000 employees downtown five days a week. Many of them would embrace another option, especially if it's got more appeal than your generic Tops.

Wegman's is building some stores in urban areas with smaller footprints. Take a look at the one they are building in DC: Wegmans is coming to Washington

 

[jr4750]

Wegman's is building some stores in urban areas with smaller footprints. Take a look at the one they are building in DC: Wegmans is coming to Washington

The DC locals (myself included) are very excited. That said, this new store will still be 80,000 square feet. Wegmans doesn't do small stores at the moment. Trader Joes and Aldi's usually are 10-15,000 square feet. Probably better aligned for downtown Syracuse.

 

[anomander]

I thought Wegman's now delivers groceries?

 

[OttoMets]

Wegman's is building some stores in urban areas with smaller footprints. Take a look at the one they are building in DC: Wegmans is coming to Washington

Smaller than they usually operate in suburbs, but I think the new Wisconsin Avenue store is 75 or 80,000 square feet, which dwarfs the 55,000-sf Safeways that are currently huge grocery stores in that market.

Don't get me wrong, Wegmans is going to print money at that location. But they aren't comfortable building stores in an urban context.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I guess there's some opinion involved. The most packed show I went to was Phish and the port-a-potties were fine.

I went to Kings of Leon and the regular bathrooms were fine as well and that show was quite packed.

The vendors seem the same to me.

I think SPAC is incredibly overrated and they jam people into an entirely too small of a space.

I was at the Phish show last year, too. IMO, it was disgusting.
SPAC has two ways out, on either side of the park.