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Oh I agree...this is one of maybe two threads I follow in the OT Forum. The rest are too tribal and no one is changing anyone's opinion.

I wish this thread could stay relatively non-political but I got sucked in. I made my point and will back out.
I'm sorry you feel that way. The Columbus statue is in the heart of the city as is the RT81 bridge, two enormous objects that define our history. As a resident here I'd like to see a change for the better which is entirely relevant to Development in and Around Syracuse.
 
Of course some of the usual suspects in favor of keeping the Columbus statue in the city. I would love to see in my lifetime some of old way of governing Syracuse be retired, like most all of these folks. They contribute nothing to forward advancement, it's the same old, same old with this crew. And I have no doubt a lot of money greasing their palms.

Pirro couldn't manage the finances of the SPCA FFS and yet here he is campaigning to keep this statue.


"...More than 100 people gathered in Columbus Circle to cheer speakers including former state Sen. John DeFrancisco and former County Executive Nick Pirro.

...DeFrancisco, ...said the Columbus statue should not be seen as a celebration of any wrongs the explorer may or may not have committed (DeFrancisco said he wasn’t sure). ...“That was in 1934. Not 1492. Got it? Not 1492,‘' said DeFrancisco...

“Whatever Columbus may or may not have done in 1492, other than discover America, the fact of the matter is that this statue was put up not at the time that these events allegedly were happening,‘' he said."

And finally this dim bulb, the same guy pushing the Save 81 BS:

"...Mark Nicotra, Onondaga County’s deputy commissioner of parks, acted as emcee for the rally. Nicotra, who is also president of the Columbus Monument Corp., urged the crowd to sign an online petition supporting preservation of the statue.

“This is an important rallying of support, really in support of our Italian heritage,‘' Nicotra told the crowd. “That’s what is threatened.‘'

I believe the mayor named Pirro to his Columbus advisory group.

I'm actually pro-statue (though I wouldn't spend an ounce of energy advocating for that position), but I don't understand why that old bastard doesn't have the sense or the good taste not to do this type of thing.

As for Nicotra...ugh. How many jobs has this guy held with the county in the six months he's worked there? We sure are getting our money's worth, though - McMahon bought a lot of Democratic votes with that hire.
 
Sick of this let's tear it down PC BS.

As a navigator myself who knows how to use a s e xtant what they did wasn't easy.

Easy to judge something in 2020 that happened in the late 1400s.

I agree with you, Mark. But those old politicos' quotes...awful, lame-brained gibberish.

There's an argument to be made about the original intent of the Columbus movement in the last century - it had a positive motivation (unlike the Confederate monuments of the 1890s). But if we're talking about not wanting the Indians portrayed on the statue in that subjugated fashion, OK, I'm sympathetic to that as well.
 
I agree with you, Mark. But those old politicos' quotes...awful, lame-brained gibberish.

There's an argument to be made about the original intent of the Columbus movement in the last century - it had a positive motivation (unlike the Confederate monuments of the 1890s). But if we're talking about not wanting the Indians portrayed on the statue in that subjugated fashion, OK, I'm sympathetic to that as well.
the indian chief heads around Columbus's feet? I'm sure back in 1934 the Onondaga's were totally on board with that, just like Pirro claims :rolleyes:
 
I believe the mayor named Pirro to his Columbus advisory group.

I'm actually pro-statue (though I wouldn't spend an ounce of energy advocating for that position), but I don't understand why that old bastard doesn't have the sense or the good taste not to do this type of thing.

As for Nicotra...ugh. How many jobs has this guy held with the county in the six months he's worked there? We sure are getting our money's worth, though - McMahon bought a lot of Democratic votes with that hire.
We have Nicotra because of gerrymandering of the county districts. Liverpool and North Syracuse carved out a good portion of the city that most certainly would vote democrat but their votes would never outweigh the suburb vote.

Nicotra is a government dole lifer
 
Replace the statue of Christopher with one of thee Frank W. Hofmann.
 
I agree with you, Mark. But those old politicos' quotes...awful, lame-brained gibberish.
Would anybody pitch a fit if the local Cambodians decided to put up a statue of Pol Pot to celebrate their heritage? I mean it's not about what he allegedly did way back in history it's about commemorating Cambodian heritage.

I can't believe DeFrancisco is a lawyer and spouting terrible logic like that.
 
We have Nicotra because of gerrymandering of the county districts. Liverpool and North Syracuse carved out a good portion of the city that most certainly would vote democrat but their votes would never outweigh the suburb vote.

Nicotra is a government dole lifer

It's better than that. Nicotra's sister is married to Bill Ryan -- the politically connected lifer who was Stephanie Miner's chief of staff, served in a...ahem...newly-created position with the airport authority, and then got invited to work as the...ahem...newly-created position of chief of staff to the county comptroller after he beat that creepy self-sabotaging Republican incumbent. He can muster up a ton of Democratic support, especially on the North Side but everywhere.

I can't tell you how many people I bumped into last fall who are staunch Democrats but who wanted no part of Tony Malavenda and were instead supporting McMahon, who had inexplicably just offered a relatively senior position to Nicotra.

It's smart politics. It's also the sleazy small-town politics of everyone's related and nobody wants to upset the establishment. McMahon bought a lot of votes. And since the election, McMahon had to move Nicotra out of his made-up position and instead apparently found him a spot as the deputy commissioner of parks. So now our county is paying two people who have no qualifications to lead that department: Joanie Mahoney's cousin, a former corrections officer with no administrative (or recreation) background, and Nicotra, who can enjoy a decent salary and comfortable position now that his job of helping McMahon win election is over.
 
It's better than that. Nicotra's sister is married to Bill Ryan -- the politically connected lifer who was Stephanie Miner's chief of staff, served in a...ahem...newly-created position with the airport authority, and then got invited to work as the...ahem...newly-created position of chief of staff to the county comptroller after he beat that creepy self-sabotaging Republican incumbent. He can muster up a ton of Democratic support, especially on the North Side but everywhere.

I can't tell you how many people I bumped into last fall who are staunch Democrats but who wanted no part of Tony Malavenda and were instead supporting McMahon, who had inexplicably just offered a relatively senior position to Nicotra.

It's smart politics. It's also the sleazy small-town politics of everyone's related and nobody wants to upset the establishment. McMahon bought a lot of votes. And since the election, McMahon had to move Nicotra out of his made-up position and instead apparently found him a spot as the deputy commissioner of parks. So now our county is paying two people who have no qualifications to lead that department: Joanie Mahoney's cousin, a former corrections officer with no administrative (or recreation) background, and Nicotra, who can enjoy a decent salary and comfortable position now that his job of helping McMahon win election is over.
Some of OttoMets's points are incorrect. Joanie Mahoney's cousin was the Deputy Commissioner of Corrections in Onondaga county previous to his appointment as Commissioner of Parks. Before that he was Unit Director at the Boys and Girls club of Syracuse so he had some recreation history. I could be wrong but I believe there has recently been a change of leadership in the Parks department.
 
Some of OttoMets's points are incorrect. Joanie Mahoney's cousin was the Deputy Commissioner of Corrections in Onondaga county previous to his appointment as Commissioner of Parks. Before that he was Unit Director at the Boys and Girls club of Syracuse so he had some recreation history. I could be wrong but I believe there has recently been a change of leadership in the Parks department.

That's fair; I overstated things with the "no administrative experience" claim.

That said, he was under-qualified and got the corrections and parks positions because of nepotism.

Hadn't heard that about Parks, but I'm intrigued; it'd be good to have a professional running the Couty department (which the City finally has for the first time in years). Bill's predecessor was Bob Geraci, who really knew his stuff. The drop-off was startling, and I know a lot of good people in and around the department didn't like the new leadership.
 
Some good news for the south side

A dental appliance lab is going to be built in an existing building on S. Salina St. (in the area between Colvin and Brighton)

These are great jobs for the local residents. Hopefully they make good on their promise and hire mostly local and help get some folks off gov't assistance. I like the fact they are planning a daycare center in the building so I think they will be targeting single mothers. This is how you can break the cycle of poverty.


 
Some good news for the south side

A dental appliance lab is going to be built in an existing building on S. Salina St. (in the area between Colvin and Brighton)

These are great jobs for the local residents. Hopefully they make good on their promise and hire mostly local and help get some folks off gov't assistance. I like the fact they are planning a daycare center in the building so I think they will be targeting single mothers. This is how you can break the cycle of poverty.



It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.
 
It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.
I'd love to see the big 2 story building across the street get redeveloped with businesses on the bottom and remodeled apartments above. Not Section 8 but for working folks that don't want to be in Section 8.
 
It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.

With that in mind, this was posted yesterday:

 
With that in mind, this was posted yesterday:



Yeah, this was big news around here this week.

I mean...yay? But honestly it sounds like such a harebrained scheme, one of those things that when there's no financing and the property is tax-delinquent and on the verge of demolition in 5 years we wonder "who ever could have thought that would work?"

It's a lovely building and I wish them the best.
 
I'd love to see the big 2 story building across the street get redeveloped with businesses on the bottom and remodeled apartments above. Not Section 8 but for working folks that don't want to be in Section 8.

On the south side of Warner, same side of Salina? That's the South Side Innovation Center. I think the building is actually a former theatre.

Anyway, it's a great space and they've supported a lot of productive and creative enterprises, in no small part of the generosity of Jim Bright, who I think owns the building.

This is the sort of thing that someone could do with the South Presbyterian Church...except there are already a couple of these community programs...and there's no money in it.

A lot of working folks use Section 8, FWIW. With the rental market what it is around here, I can't imagine how the economy or community could get by without it.
 
Yeah, this was big news around here this week.

I mean...yay? But honestly it sounds like such a harebrained scheme, one of those things that when there's no financing and the property is tax-delinquent and on the verge of demolition in 5 years we wonder "who ever could have thought that would work?"

It's a lovely building and I wish them the best.

Is it in that bad of shape that it will be demolished in 5 years? Definitely looks like there is some water damage on the interior but it doesn't look like it's about to collapse. Hopefully at the very least they are able to secure the building to prevent any further damage.
 
Is it in that bad of shape that it will be demolished in 5 years? Definitely looks like there is some water damage on the interior but it doesn't look like it's about to collapse. Hopefully at the very least they are able to secure the building to prevent any further damage.

I would say that once the roof goes, these things get out of hand fast.

For some light reading, check out the Land Bank's RFP for the property, from Tuesday's agenda. Some great photos and details: http://syracuselandbank.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-agenda-packet.pdf
 

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