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Replace the statue of Christopher with one of thee Frank W. Hofmann.
 
OttoMets said:
I agree with you, Mark. But those old politicos' quotes...awful, lame-brained gibberish.
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Would anybody pitch a fit if the local Cambodians decided to put up a statue of Pol Pot to celebrate their heritage? I mean it's not about what he allegedly did way back in history it's about commemorating Cambodian heritage.

I can't believe DeFrancisco is a lawyer and spouting terrible logic like that.
 
KellySyracuse said:
We have Nicotra because of gerrymandering of the county districts. Liverpool and North Syracuse carved out a good portion of the city that most certainly would vote democrat but their votes would never outweigh the suburb vote.

Nicotra is a government dole lifer
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It's better than that. Nicotra's sister is married to Bill Ryan -- the politically connected lifer who was Stephanie Miner's chief of staff, served in a...ahem...newly-created position with the airport authority, and then got invited to work as the...ahem...newly-created position of chief of staff to the county comptroller after he beat that creepy self-sabotaging Republican incumbent. He can muster up a ton of Democratic support, especially on the North Side but everywhere.

I can't tell you how many people I bumped into last fall who are staunch Democrats but who wanted no part of Tony Malavenda and were instead supporting McMahon, who had inexplicably just offered a relatively senior position to Nicotra.

It's smart politics. It's also the sleazy small-town politics of everyone's related and nobody wants to upset the establishment. McMahon bought a lot of votes. And since the election, McMahon had to move Nicotra out of his made-up position and instead apparently found him a spot as the deputy commissioner of parks. So now our county is paying two people who have no qualifications to lead that department: Joanie Mahoney's cousin, a former corrections officer with no administrative (or recreation) background, and Nicotra, who can enjoy a decent salary and comfortable position now that his job of helping McMahon win election is over.
 
Fly Rodder said:
Would anybody pitch a fit if the local Cambodians decided to put up a statue of Pol Pot to celebrate their heritage? I mean it's not about what he allegedly did way back in history it's about commemorating Cambodian heritage.

I can't believe DeFrancisco is a lawyer and spouting terrible logic like that.
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DeFrancisco really did seem like a reasonable guy for years.

Then came 81, a transparent about-face when Pyramid started throwing him a substantial amount of money. Ugly, but not unheard of.

But he was retiring, and that often has a moderating influence. Instead he's become a bomb-thrower, writing pro-Trump op-eds, chiming in with fringe opinions on nuanced stuff, generally pissing people off. He's Rudolph Giuliani.
 
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OttoMets said:
It's better than that. Nicotra's sister is married to Bill Ryan -- the politically connected lifer who was Stephanie Miner's chief of staff, served in a...ahem...newly-created position with the airport authority, and then got invited to work as the...ahem...newly-created position of chief of staff to the county comptroller after he beat that creepy self-sabotaging Republican incumbent. He can muster up a ton of Democratic support, especially on the North Side but everywhere.

I can't tell you how many people I bumped into last fall who are staunch Democrats but who wanted no part of Tony Malavenda and were instead supporting McMahon, who had inexplicably just offered a relatively senior position to Nicotra.

It's smart politics. It's also the sleazy small-town politics of everyone's related and nobody wants to upset the establishment. McMahon bought a lot of votes. And since the election, McMahon had to move Nicotra out of his made-up position and instead apparently found him a spot as the deputy commissioner of parks. So now our county is paying two people who have no qualifications to lead that department: Joanie Mahoney's cousin, a former corrections officer with no administrative (or recreation) background, and Nicotra, who can enjoy a decent salary and comfortable position now that his job of helping McMahon win election is over.
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Some of OttoMets's points are incorrect. Joanie Mahoney's cousin was the Deputy Commissioner of Corrections in Onondaga county previous to his appointment as Commissioner of Parks. Before that he was Unit Director at the Boys and Girls club of Syracuse so he had some recreation history. I could be wrong but I believe there has recently been a change of leadership in the Parks department.
 
Cusester said:
Some of OttoMets's points are incorrect. Joanie Mahoney's cousin was the Deputy Commissioner of Corrections in Onondaga county previous to his appointment as Commissioner of Parks. Before that he was Unit Director at the Boys and Girls club of Syracuse so he had some recreation history. I could be wrong but I believe there has recently been a change of leadership in the Parks department.
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That's fair; I overstated things with the "no administrative experience" claim.

That said, he was under-qualified and got the corrections and parks positions because of nepotism.

Hadn't heard that about Parks, but I'm intrigued; it'd be good to have a professional running the Couty department (which the City finally has for the first time in years). Bill's predecessor was Bob Geraci, who really knew his stuff. The drop-off was startling, and I know a lot of good people in and around the department didn't like the new leadership.
 
Some good news for the south side

A dental appliance lab is going to be built in an existing building on S. Salina St. (in the area between Colvin and Brighton)

These are great jobs for the local residents. Hopefully they make good on their promise and hire mostly local and help get some folks off gov't assistance. I like the fact they are planning a daycare center in the building so I think they will be targeting single mothers. This is how you can break the cycle of poverty.

www.syracuse.com

Couple gets tax breaks to launch dental appliance manufacturer in Syracuse

Todd and Shanelle Reid plan to launch their business in a vacant former apartment building in city's Southside neighborhood.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com

www.syracuse.com

Couple to launch dental appliance startup, create 50 jobs on Syracuse’s Southside

Todd and Shanelle Reid plan to turn vacant apartment building into headquarters for Access Dental Laboratories.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com
 
TexanMark said:
Some good news for the south side

A dental appliance lab is going to be built in an existing building on S. Salina St. (in the area between Colvin and Brighton)

These are great jobs for the local residents. Hopefully they make good on their promise and hire mostly local and help get some folks off gov't assistance. I like the fact they are planning a daycare center in the building so I think they will be targeting single mothers. This is how you can break the cycle of poverty.

www.syracuse.com

Couple gets tax breaks to launch dental appliance manufacturer in Syracuse

Todd and Shanelle Reid plan to launch their business in a vacant former apartment building in city's Southside neighborhood.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com

www.syracuse.com

Couple to launch dental appliance startup, create 50 jobs on Syracuse’s Southside

Todd and Shanelle Reid plan to turn vacant apartment building into headquarters for Access Dental Laboratories.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com
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It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.
 
OttoMets said:
It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.
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I'd love to see the big 2 story building across the street get redeveloped with businesses on the bottom and remodeled apartments above. Not Section 8 but for working folks that don't want to be in Section 8.
 
OttoMets said:
It's a tough time for this to happen, but the proposal is great.

Now the cynic/realist in me fears that it's all but impossible to make a go of the daycare thing, it's a tough, tough business. But daycare is a necessity for the working class (all workers, really) and it's admirable that the Reids thought of this. So I hope that it succeeds.

There are a few employment opportunities sprouting on the South Side. Again, it's unfortunate that the broader economic climate is what it is. Because apart from that I think there's more promising, realistic organic economic development poised to happen in those neighbors than there's been in a generation or more.
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With that in mind, this was posted yesterday:

 
shandeezy7 said:
With that in mind, this was posted yesterday:

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Yeah, this was big news around here this week.

I mean...yay? But honestly it sounds like such a harebrained scheme, one of those things that when there's no financing and the property is tax-delinquent and on the verge of demolition in 5 years we wonder "who ever could have thought that would work?"

It's a lovely building and I wish them the best.
 
TexanMark said:
I'd love to see the big 2 story building across the street get redeveloped with businesses on the bottom and remodeled apartments above. Not Section 8 but for working folks that don't want to be in Section 8.
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On the south side of Warner, same side of Salina? That's the South Side Innovation Center. I think the building is actually a former theatre.

Anyway, it's a great space and they've supported a lot of productive and creative enterprises, in no small part of the generosity of Jim Bright, who I think owns the building.

This is the sort of thing that someone could do with the South Presbyterian Church...except there are already a couple of these community programs...and there's no money in it.

A lot of working folks use Section 8, FWIW. With the rental market what it is around here, I can't imagine how the economy or community could get by without it.
 
OttoMets said:
Yeah, this was big news around here this week.

I mean...yay? But honestly it sounds like such a harebrained scheme, one of those things that when there's no financing and the property is tax-delinquent and on the verge of demolition in 5 years we wonder "who ever could have thought that would work?"

It's a lovely building and I wish them the best.
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Is it in that bad of shape that it will be demolished in 5 years? Definitely looks like there is some water damage on the interior but it doesn't look like it's about to collapse. Hopefully at the very least they are able to secure the building to prevent any further damage.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Is it in that bad of shape that it will be demolished in 5 years? Definitely looks like there is some water damage on the interior but it doesn't look like it's about to collapse. Hopefully at the very least they are able to secure the building to prevent any further damage.
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I would say that once the roof goes, these things get out of hand fast.

For some light reading, check out the Land Bank's RFP for the property, from Tuesday's agenda. Some great photos and details: http://syracuselandbank.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-agenda-packet.pdf
 
As a result of Covid 19 do we..

1. Expect a significant return of CNY transplants back to the home country/Syracuse?

2. Expect a population movement, in general, from NYC/Westchester to Upstate?

3. If so expect short term positive effects to the current regrowth of downtown and enhanced focus of infrastructural needs in CNY that may have been waitlisted pre COVID?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2020 feature unprecedented (since 2000) demographic growth in Syracuse and Onondaga County.
 
Trueblue25 said:
As a result of Covid 19 do we..

1. Expect a significant return of CNY transplants back to the home country/Syracuse?

2. Expect a population movement, in general, from NYC/Westchester to Upstate?

3. If so expect short term positive effects to the current regrowth of downtown and enhanced focus of infrastructural needs in CNY that may have been waitlisted pre COVID?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2020 feature unprecedented (since 2000) demographic growth in Syracuse and Onondaga County.
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Getting more jobs like SRC, Lockheed Martin and Amazon is key. Hopefully our transplants remember that $50K in Syracuse is like $90K in NYC or DC
 
OttoMets said:
On the south side of Warner, same side of Salina? That's the South Side Innovation Center. I think the building is actually a former theatre.

Anyway, it's a great space and they've supported a lot of productive and creative enterprises, in no small part of the generosity of Jim Bright, who I think owns the building.

This is the sort of thing that someone could do with the South Presbyterian Church...except there are already a couple of these community programs...and there's no money in it.

A lot of working folks use Section 8, FWIW. With the rental market what it is around here, I can't imagine how the economy or community could get by without it.
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Unfortunately any neighborhood won't really improve until most apartments are market rate or slightly subsided for income with working folks. Building new subsidize housing is wasted unless there are jobs available nearby. Why I love this Dental Lab announcement...
 
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