Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[Trueblue25]

As a result of Covid 19 do we..

1. Expect a significant return of CNY transplants back to the home country/Syracuse?

2. Expect a population movement, in general, from NYC/Westchester to Upstate?

3. If so expect short term positive effects to the current regrowth of downtown and enhanced focus of infrastructural needs in CNY that may have been waitlisted pre COVID?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2020 feature unprecedented (since 2000) demographic growth in Syracuse and Onondaga County.

 

[TexanMark]

As a result of Covid 19 do we..

1. Expect a significant return of CNY transplants back to the home country/Syracuse?

2. Expect a population movement, in general, from NYC/Westchester to Upstate?

3. If so expect short term positive effects to the current regrowth of downtown and enhanced focus of infrastructural needs in CNY that may have been waitlisted pre COVID?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2020 feature unprecedented (since 2000) demographic growth in Syracuse and Onondaga County.

Getting more jobs like SRC, Lockheed Martin and Amazon is key. Hopefully our transplants remember that $50K in Syracuse is like $90K in NYC or DC

 

[Cusefan0307]

Downtown's everywhere are going to have issues regardless of what jobs move in during Covid. I was just informed I'll be wfh until 2021 and we are one of the biggest employers in the area. Going to be hard for restaurants/bars who miss out on the after work crowd.

 

[TexanMark]

On the south side of Warner, same side of Salina? That's the South Side Innovation Center. I think the building is actually a former theatre.

Anyway, it's a great space and they've supported a lot of productive and creative enterprises, in no small part of the generosity of Jim Bright, who I think owns the building.

This is the sort of thing that someone could do with the South Presbyterian Church...except there are already a couple of these community programs...and there's no money in it.

A lot of working folks use Section 8, FWIW. With the rental market what it is around here, I can't imagine how the economy or community could get by without it.

Unfortunately any neighborhood won't really improve until most apartments are market rate or slightly subsided for income with working folks. Building new subsidize housing is wasted unless there are jobs available nearby. Why I love this Dental Lab announcement...

 

[TexanMark]

Also you don't have to pay for private schooling for your kids as most CNY school districts are really good.

 

[TexanMark]

Downtown's everywhere are going to have issues regardless of what jobs move in during Covid. I was just informed I'll be wfh until 2021 and we are one of the biggest employers in the area. Going to be hard for restaurants/bars who miss out on the after work crowd.

Commercial real estate is going to be tough. Frankly about 25% (WAG) of all class A and B could be vacant over the next 3-5 years. Cities will be wise to improve utilities to residential homes to support work at home types.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Commercial real estate is going to be tough. Frankly about 25% (WAG) of all class A and B could be vacant over the next 3-5 years. Cities will be wise to improve utilities to residential homes to support work at home types.

I have friends in Manlius who have struggled wfh due to power outages this summer. Some wealthier bedroom towns need to upgrade their infrastructure for sure.

 

[rrlbees]

Also you don't have to pay for private schooling for your kids as most CNY school districts are really good.

Go ‘Pool!

 

[TexanMark]

I have friends in Manlius who have struggled wfh due to power outages this summer. Some wealthier bedroom towns need to upgrade their infrastructure for sure.

It isn't sexy and politically beneficial but Syracuse should revamp the sewer, water, gas lines and move much of the power grid underground along with improvement of the Internet. I wish Cuomo and the repubs and Dems push this for the major upstate cities.

 

[Cheriehoop]

It isn't s e xy and politically beneficial but Syracuse should revamp the sewer, water, gas lines and move much of the power grid underground along with improvement of the Internet. I wish Cuomo and the repubs and Dems push this for the major upstate cities.

The nation’s infrastructure is a huge problem, one that I hope would be seriously addressed after elections like it is before elections.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I know gas and electric is being updated with the help of private industry. I can’t speak for the others.

 

[TexanMark]

The nation’s infrastructure is a huge problem, one that I hope would be seriously addressed after elections like it is before elections.

Both sides say they are...but it is always half assed attempts. There is big money to be made in the construction trades and I wish we can get more interested in it. Unfortunately our youngest stay indoors too much and game online versus building forts and playing sandlot baseball.

 

[TexanMark]

I know gas and electric is being updated with the help of private industry. I can’t speak for the others.

The city want to make a statement? Invest in upgraded utilities on the near sides to downtown. Young urban pioneers are more likely to move in if they see the government is serious about saving neighborhoods.

 

[OttoMets]

As a result of Covid 19 do we..

1. Expect a significant return of CNY transplants back to the home country/Syracuse?

2. Expect a population movement, in general, from NYC/Westchester to Upstate?

3. If so expect short term positive effects to the current regrowth of downtown and enhanced focus of infrastructural needs in CNY that may have been waitlisted pre COVID?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2020 feature unprecedented (since 2000) demographic growth in Syracuse and Onondaga County.

1. Dunno.

2. New York's still New York; once people adjust, big cities will still have all the attributes that have always made them appealing. No reason to expect a long-term exodus from there.

3. Downtown is hurting now and will be for the foreseeable future. For tertiary cities, this is a very bad disruption to the fragile and tentative growth trend. Downtown's already at a relative competitive disadvantange in the market, the pandemic really will hurt.

 

[OttoMets]

Unfortunately any neighborhood won't really improve until most apartments are market rate or slightly subsided for income with working folks. Building new subsidize housing is wasted unless there are jobs available nearby. Why I love this Dental Lab announcement...

Exactly!

I think "but jobs" is kind of reductive and off-base sometimes, but on the neighborhood economic development level like this, jobs is everything. Or close to it.

 

[OttoMets]

It isn't s e xy and politically beneficial but Syracuse should revamp the sewer, water, gas lines and move much of the power grid underground along with improvement of the Internet. I wish Cuomo and the repubs and Dems push this for the major upstate cities.

This would be such a good public-private infrastructure initiative.

 

[JeremyCuse]

It isn't s e xy and politically beneficial but Syracuse should revamp the sewer, water, gas lines and move much of the power grid underground along with improvement of the Internet. I wish Cuomo and the repubs and Dems push this for the major upstate cities.

Syracuse's water lines are in need of a major major overhaul and have been for years. The problem is that the cost is enormous and there is no money locally and the state is broke as usual. I can't seem them moving some or really any of the power grid underground, again your talking probably billions of dollars. The County can't get West Genesse Street repaved less pay for any huge infrastructure change. The Pandemic has wiped out any real chance of a huge infrastructure progress locally but to be honest even if it hadn't hit I doubt much would have happened. The big and medium sized businesses are holding up relatively well locally which is a good sign. The one problem is that a lot of the service jobs especially restaurant and retail are taking a bath and going to put a lot of people out of work who don't have a big educational or skill background. Camillus alone has lost multiple restaurants and once the mid fall gets here and outdoor dining is gone there is going to be glut of places going out of business not to mention the closures at the Mall that are certainly coming.

 

[OttoMets]

... The one problem is that a lot of the service jobs especially restaurant and retail are taking a bath and going to put a lot of people out of work who don't have a big educational or skill background. Camillus alone has lost multiple restaurants and once the mid fall gets here and outdoor dining is gone there is going to be glut of places going out of business not to mention the closures at the Mall that are certainly coming.

Yeah, the last quarter is going to be a dark time for everyone in the hospitality business. For those who have the means, get out there and patronize your favorite mom-and-pops, because they might not be here at this time next year if you don't.

 

[Fly Rodder]

The city want to make a statement? Invest in upgraded utilities on the near sides to downtown. Young urban pioneers are more likely to move in if they see the government is serious about saving neighborhoods.

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overall, I think the pandemic silver lining could finally be a massive infrastructure investment as relief. Bonds, 0% interest loans, whatever, but a lot of basic stuff needs to be done.

 

[shandeezy7]

It isn't s e xy and politically beneficial but Syracuse should revamp the sewer, water, gas lines and move much of the power grid underground along with improvement of the Internet. I wish Cuomo and the repubs and Dems push this for the major upstate cities.

Not exactly what you are talking to, but the city has at least tried to take an innovative approach to water line repair. As the article says though, no one holds a ribbon cutting for a new water line, so it’s hard to gain support for funding. I remember when Mayor Miner begged the state for help on repairing/replacing the city’s century-plus old water pipes and Cuomo essentially told her to pound salt. It’s a huge problem that costs local municipalities millions of dollars every year.

How Mathematicians in Chicago Are Stopping Water Leaks in Syracuse

Beset by water main failures, the New York city is using data to save money on costly repairs.

www.politico.com

 

[OttoMets]

Not exactly what you are talking to, but the city has at least tried to take an innovative approach to water line repair. As the article says though, no one holds a ribbon cutting for a new water line, so it’s hard to gain support for funding. I remember when Mayor Miner begged the state for help on repairing/replacing the city’s century-plus old water pipes and Cuomo essentially told her to pound salt. It’s a huge problem that costs local municipalities millions of dollars every year.

How Mathematicians in Chicago Are Stopping Water Leaks in Syracuse

Beset by water main failures, the New York city is using data to save money on costly repairs.

www.politico.com

At least one state assemblyman was pushing hard for there to be padding in the I-81 budget to cover some water main replacement and utility undergrounding in the broader project area (I-690 viaduct, Almond Street corridor, West Street corridor). This was a few years ago, not sure if anything will come of that. Either way, the problem deserves a more comprehensive approach.

 

[rrlbees]

Don’t know why, but the writer just retweeted this year old WP article about Syracuse.

 

[Cusefan0307]

 

[shandeezy7]

Longtime restaurant owner buys Kelley’s, a community favorite that had fallen victim to the pandemic

130 days after Kelley's serves its last meal, the business is sold.

www.syracuse.com

 

[KellySyracuse]

Forward progress, I hope this comes to fruition

Walsh to pursue state law requiring Syracuse cops to live in the city

The law would mirror a similar proposal coming out of Buffalo

www.syracuse.com

Syracuse, N.Y. — Mayor Ben Walsh said he is pursuing state legislation that would let the city require all new police officers to live in the city of Syracuse.

“It is my intention to seek change in state law that would allow us to enforce a residency requirement on the Syracuse Police Department,” Walsh said during a briefing Friday afternoon.

Walsh said the rule change would likely be applied only to incoming officers, not those already on the job."