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Complete non-sense. The suburbs don't exist if not for the city. The only reason the city ended up in the position that it did was because of garbage decisions like building an interstate right through the heart of downtown, destroying neighborhoods and providing the path for white flight to the suburbs.

The city of Syracuse as well as it’s poor choices definitely created the mass exodus to the suburbs. Without the city this wouldn’t be possible but now the city is utterly dependent on the people, talent and money of the suburbs to sustain itself.
 
You forget who made that initial decision - the city did. Rte 81 was completed to the city limits by 1957, it was also completed north from Watertown to Brewerton. The city held out to complete it by the early ‘60’s so they could tear down the parts of the city that they thought brought the most benefit to it’s development. The county didn’t even have a county executive back then, it was a board made up of individual supervisors representing their individual town. The city, just like now wanted the final say in determining route 81 - the suburbs didn’t destroy the city - the city itself did by trying to use an interstate transportation route for gentrification, development , business concern reasons - which sounds much like the same reasons and quest for the city alone to be the only factor for rerouting and deciding the future of Rte 81 again.

Interesting recollection, but not how it went down, at least according to this:

How I-81 came to be and why New York owes Syracuse for a 60-year-old mistake (David M. Rubin)
 
Tipp hill, eastwood, armory, franklin, strathmore and the university disagree sir

All dependent on the money and people of the burbs. Also this millennial fad of overpaying for apartments down town will change when they start a family. They’ll run to the hills quicker than Iron Madden.
 
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All dependent on the money and people of the burbs. Also this millennial fad of overpaying for apartments down town will change when they start a family. They’ll run to the hills quicker than Iran Madden.

Huh? Thriving neighborhoods in the city of Syracuse are dependent on money and people of the suburbs? Somehow this post makes even less sense than your previous one.
 
All dependent on the money and people of the burbs. Also this millennial fad of overpaying for apartments down town will change when they start a family. They’ll run to the hills quicker than Iran Madden.
A lot of those people overpaying for downtown apartments are empty nesters from the burbs relocating to the city instead of moving to nyc, north carolina or florida.
 
Of course mid-sized cities like Syracuse rely on their suburbs in one way or another. However, that absolutely does not mean that suburban needs get to come before the needs of the city when it comes to projects within city limits.
 
Tip Hill, Armory, Franklin bar/restaurant dependent on outside money. SU’s skilled trades, professors, IT, hell even their students come from the burbs of somewhere. Not to mention the Dome would be a ghost town without the people from the burbs.
 
Of course mid-sized cities like Syracuse rely on their suburbs in one way or another. However, that absolutely does not mean that suburban needs get to come before the needs of the city when it comes to projects within city limits.

Agree. Just arguing that they have some skin in the game. Admittedly much less then the people that live there.
 
Syracuse is dead if it wasn’t for the people in the suburbs so perhaps they should have some skin in the game.

Where do you live? I want to build a prison in your backyard. It will bring jobs and is good for the community. What’s the problem?

Manlius won’t let a McDonalds be built in the village because it would “ruin the traffic patterns”. The people in the suburbs can have skin in the suburbs. I live in the city, and I believe my voice should carry more weight.
 
Where do you live? I want to build a prison in your backyard. It will bring jobs and is good for the community. What’s the problem?

Manlius won’t let a McDonalds be built in the village because it would “ruin the traffic patterns”. The people in the suburbs can have skin in the suburbs. I live in the city, and I believe my voice should carry more weight.

I’ll paste a previous reply before your post.

.shandeezy7 said:
Of course mid-sized cities like Syracuse rely on their suburbs in one way or another. However, that absolutely does not mean that suburban needs get to come before the needs of the city when it comes to projects within city limits.
Agree. Just arguing that they have some skin in the game. Admittedly much less then the people that live there.
 
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I have heard many say just rebuild it where it is. However, you point out how hypocritical "conservatives" are by favoring the most costly option.
They favor the tunnel because it’s an attempt to appease the liberals who want social justice. Believe me they’d be ok with just a wider viaduct.
 
You forget who made that initial decision - the city did. Rte 81 was completed to the city limits by 1957, it was also completed north from Watertown to Brewerton. The city held out to complete it by the early ‘60’s so they could tear down the parts of the city that they thought brought the most benefit to it’s development. The county didn’t even have a county executive back then, it was a board made up of individual supervisors representing their individual town. The city, just like now wanted the final say in determining route 81 - the suburbs didn’t destroy the city - the city itself did by trying to use an interstate transportation route for gentrification, development , business concern reasons - which sounds much like the same reasons and quest for the city alone to be the only factor for rerouting and deciding the future of Rte 81 again.
You go, girl!
 
I know this isn't the OT board, but this takedown of Katko and his I-81 flip-flopping is worth posting. Click on it for the whole thread.


It's consistent. At some point, a decision needs to be made and we all need to get behind it, but at this time no actual decision has been made, but the governor has opined.
Balter can't figure that out.
 
It's consistent. At some point, a decision needs to be made and we all need to get behind it, but at this time no actual decision has been made, but the governor has opined.
Balter can't figure that out.
Check the timeline.
 
Tip Hill, Armory, Franklin bar/restaurant dependent on outside money. SU’s skilled trades, professors, IT, hell even their students come from the burbs of somewhere. ...

I shall tell all my professional city-dwelling neighbors (many of whom are SU, Upstate, and ESF faculty) about this interesting part of their backstory.
 
You forget who made that initial decision - the city did. Rte 81 was completed to the city limits by 1957, it was also completed north from Watertown to Brewerton. The city held out to complete it by the early ‘60’s so they could tear down the parts of the city that they thought brought the most benefit to it’s development. The county didn’t even have a county executive back then, it was a board made up of individual supervisors representing their individual town. The city, just like now wanted the final say in determining route 81 - the suburbs didn’t destroy the city - the city itself did by trying to use an interstate transportation route for gentrification, development , business concern reasons - which sounds much like the same reasons and quest for the city alone to be the only factor for rerouting and deciding the future of Rte 81 again.

NYSDOT and the FHWA alone made the routing decisions for the interstate. The city and some local business interests were successful in getting a section of the viaduct moved three blocks east, but that's the extent of their contribution. It wasn't until a decade later than community groups and municipalities got a voice after a lot of litigation and changes to both state and federal policies on notice and comment and environmental review.
 
NYSDOT and the FHWA alone made the routing decisions for the interstate. The city and some local business interests were successful in getting a section of the viaduct moved three blocks east, but that's the extent of their contribution. It wasn't until a decade later than community groups and municipalities got a voice after a lot of litigation and changes to both state and federal policies on notice and comment and environmental review.

Exactly. City leaders were absolutely against an interstate cutting through the heart of the city. It's revisionist history and disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
 
Syracuse Mayor Anthony Henninger called the editorials "very good and very timely."

He echoed the paper's thoughts, believing elevated highways had "ruined other cities," and would "imprison" the downtown district and prevent any new growth.

Henninger said he was certain that he would be able to stop any thinking about an elevated highway, and said he and local officials "were on top of this and we will keep after it."


Throwback Thursday: Editorials, Syracuse mayor condemn elevated I-81 in 1958
 
wait.. you compare time of 8 min with something that doesnt exist and think it takes longer.. we know how long it takes to take the 481 loop.. no one has any idea how long it will take to go thru the center once it changes.. i know down here it can take 2 min or 15 min to go the same section of road with 5-6 lights.

if you have 1-2 miles of blvd with lights thats going to be 10-15 lights and the 481 might well be quicker when its all done.
 
I shall tell all my professional city-dwelling neighbors (many of whom are SU, Upstate, and ESF faculty) about this interesting part of their backstory.

Go ahead and tell your dozens of professional city-dwelling neighbors it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of them come in from outside the city.
 

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