Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[KellySyracuse]

If I were to venture a guess I think McMahon is trying to throw a bone at Destiny and the Liverpool hotel owners to get them to stop bitching about the community grid

"McMahon said an aquarium at the Inner Harbor would fit in with the new amphitheater, the creek walk, the baseball stadium, Onondaga Lake Park and Destiny USA. It would also fit in with the proposal, also in this budget, to spend $25 million on a sports complex.

“It complements our ability to have unique programming, to tell our story about the (Onondaga Lake) cleanup, to tell our story about our history around the lake and also about the environment as well,” he said. “It gives our kids an ability to see an aquarium, where quite honestly, probably 10% of the kids in school right now ever will.”

 

[Fly Rodder]

As a now out of towner, I think it is a great idea. All the talk is that with global warming (if you believe in that hoax), places like Syracuse are set to keep growing as a place for families to settle down. That area near the water has SO much potential.

NY needs to fix their tax/budgets to decouple the burden of medicare from property taxes. Probably as part of a 5 or 10-year phased approach to avoid a market distorting windfall to property owners.

 

[two3zone]

Maybe. But that is why they need to invest in things that bring in other sales tax. Like this aquarium that will generate hotel, restaurant business and related sales tax. Can't look at things in isolation. Offsetting Destiny will require multiple investments. I know some may scoff at the idea that e.g. the sports fields idea will generate money... but as someone who spends about $15K per year on things related to sports travel, I can say they do.

I will likely get slammed for this but I like the idea of the aquarium as part of a portfolio of things that will bring people into Syracuse to spend money.

I am sure there were many who are still mad a the state for pitching in for the Carrier Dome. Of course, that relatively small investment paid off many times over for the Syracuse area.

We also know there are other things in the works e.g. wooing a chip plant and the new Amazon center.

Why come to Syracuse for an aquarium? There are some better ones in cities I’d actually want to visit.

 

[xc84]

Why come to Syracuse for an aquarium? There are some better ones in cities I’d actually want to visit.

"better ones" and it hasn't even been built yet.

 

[two3zone]

"better ones" and it hasn't even been built yet.

Let’s say it’s the “best aquarium”. Who’s coming up Syracuse for the day to see it? Regionally, like Rochester to Albany or seems reasonable, nobody is flying in here for an aquarium.

 

[tptcuse]

Let’s say it’s the “best aquarium”. Who’s coming up Syracuse for the day to see it? Regionally, like Rochester to Albany or seems reasonable, nobody is flying in here for an aquarium.

I think the idea is not that it would be a destination on its own, but would add to what the area has to offer.

 

[OttoMets]

And when the fall of Destiny happens within 10 years it’ll be even less. Not going to be much sales tax coming in.

How do they not foresee this stuff?

I dunno, if you argue that Destiny didn't create any new sales tax revenue but merely resliced the local pie (as I do), then in theory the mall's slow death won't reduce current sales tax revenues but instead will just shift spending elsewhere within the county. Time will tell, I guess.

But doubling down on that crappy suburban development in the Lakefront is a shaky idea, that I don't think can be disputed. Not a fan of the execution of the County's rushed development projects.

 

[OttoMets]

I think aquariums are boring.

Yeah, hot take coming, all that stuff under the water grosses me out and I would never go to an aquarium for any reason.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Here’s an example to look at. Denver’s downtown aquarium was $50+ million in debt and was about to close, then Landry’s bought it out of bankruptcy.

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[KellySyracuse]

I like the idea of an aquarium especially when Destiny ends up getting converted to apartments, offices and other mixed use places. The mall as it is won't survive another 10 years and if the chip plant does come to fruition the area will need more housing.

 

[xc84]

I like the idea of an aquarium especially when Destiny ends up getting converted to apartments, offices and other mixed use places. The mall as it is won't survive another 10 years and if the chip plant does come to fruition the area will need more housing.

The chip plant will drive a ton of development. Just look at Malta.

 

[KellySyracuse]

The chip plant will drive a ton of development. Just look at Malta.

Agree and I hope it lowers our property taxes. I'd like to see the county and the city invest in rehabbing Wolf St. and N. Salina, that area is begging for rezoning and investment. It has so much potential that is getting wasted because of the strip clubs that are located there. Pay the owners of those clubs to relocate somewhere outside of the city in a business district not near a residential area.

 

[bevosu]

I want to be on record (not that it matters) as being against the Aquarium. I don't think it is worth the investment and the money could be used for more essential things. I don't think it is going to be a great draw.

+ I smell some contract kickback activity on the horizon if they push it through.

 

[Marty McFly]

the problem is with these economic development projects, the money is already earmarked. If we don't use it, we lose it. right? So build the aquarium, can't be worse than the zoo.

 

[OttoMets]

Agree and I hope it lowers our property taxes. I'd like to see the county and the city invest in rehabbing Wolf St. and N. Salina, that area is begging for rezoning and investment. It has so much potential that is getting wasted because of the strip clubs that are located there. Pay the owners of those clubs to relocate somewhere outside of the city in a business district not near a residential area.

I haven't checked the numbers on this meme, but broadly speaking it's accurate. And I'm afraid Onondaga County's hitched its wagon to sprawl. We'll all be paying for it for generations.

It makes the chip plant news bittersweet.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I went here once this past summer and got takeout, brought it to the Salt City Market. It was okay, not a place that I would go out of my way to get to though. The food may have been different before Covid hit

Pandemic, road construction doom downtown Syracuse’s home of the garbage plate

The two-year-old Brine Well Eatery closes Friday.

www.syracuse.com

"Syracuse, N.Y. — The Brine Well Eatery, a two-year-old downtown restaurant known for offering versions of the Rochester garbage plate, is closing Friday.

Owner Devon Hubbard blamed a combination of the Covid pandemic followed by other issues challenging the restaurant industry and topped off by this year’s massive downtown road construction.

The restaurant at 128 E. Jefferson St. will be open for business from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. today and Friday, then close its doors."

 

[Cheriehoop]

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I haven't checked the numbers on this meme, but broadly speaking it's accurate. And I'm afraid Onondaga County's hitched its wagon to sprawl. We'll all be paying for it for generations.

It makes the chip plant news bittersweet.

Where in the city could a sprawling facility the size of large mfg plants go within the city? Either neighborhoods would have to be destroyed, inhabitants relocated like with route 81. What needs immediate attention is the elephant overshadowing any large investment within the city - it’s crumbling infrastructure. Any large facility especially a manufacturing one, needs enormous amounts of water, power. The water pipes and sewer systems have needed a huge investment to just maintain current service not taking into account any massive expansion.

Syracuse Mayor pushing for water infrastructure funding from American Rescue Plan Act

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (WSYR-TV) — Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh has proposed that funding through the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) go towards water infrastructure projects including one for the Skanea…

www.localsyr.com

 

[OttoMets]

Where in the city could a sprawling facility the size of large mfg plants go within the city? Either neighborhoods would have to be destroyed, inhabitants relocated like with route 81. What needs immediate attention is the elephant overshadowing any large investment within the city - it’s crumbling infrastructure. Any large facility especially a manufacturing one, needs enormous amounts of water, power. The water pipes and sewer systems have needed a huge investment to just maintain current service not taking into account any massive expansion.

Syracuse Mayor pushing for water infrastructure funding from American Rescue Plan Act

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (WSYR-TV) — Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh has proposed that funding through the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) go towards water infrastructure projects including one for the Skanea…

www.localsyr.com

No place within the city, maybe the former Lafayette Country Club. But Solvay and DeWitt have some pretty attractive brownfields that are close in and actually served by public transportation and utilities.

The water system's constant breaks are a big expense, but it's not an obstacle to private sector investment. Lack of suitable sites is what developers cite as a stumbling block.

 

[shandeezy7]

No place within the city, maybe the former Lafayette Country Club. But Solvay and DeWitt have some pretty attractive brownfields that are close in and actually served by public transportation and utilities.

The water system's constant breaks are a big expense, but it's not an obstacle to private sector investment. Lack of suitable sites is what developers cite as a stumbling block.

Yeah I think proximity to public transportation/infrastructure is the biggest thing. If you live in the city and don't have your own transportation, how are you supposed to get out to the middle of nowhere Clay to work a job at this place?

 

[bballbeadle]

Yeah, hot take coming, all that stuff under the water grosses me out and I would never go to an aquarium for any reason.

WHAT??? I may have to challenge you, sir, to a duel!

 

[OttoMets]

WHAT??? I may have to challenge you, sir, to a duel!

Not an underwater duel, I hope!

 

[Ghost]

Agree and I hope it lowers our property taxes. I'd like to see the county and the city invest in rehabbing Wolf St. and N. Salina, that area is begging for rezoning and investment. It has so much potential that is getting wasted because of the strip clubs that are located there. Pay the owners of those clubs to relocate somewhere outside of the city in a business district not near a residential area.

Wasted potential and strip clubs...

Two things I never thought I'd see in the same sentence...

Nort Salina is a lovely street, still surprised it hasn't been revitalized...or maybe it has, I haven't been down it in years. Butternut though, now that's a street that could use some strip clubs.

 

[721Comstock]

Not an underwater duel, I hope!

Spearguns at 10 paces, er, strokes!

 

[shandeezy7]

In case anyone was wondering how another of Pyramid's properties is doing. This one is right next to a highway that isn't in danger of being re-routed, so it's almost as if that doesn't have much bearing on the health/viability of the mall:

WGRZ-TV

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[KellySyracuse]

She's getting the job done, I am impressed with Gov Hochul so far. The proposed district maps drawn up are on the county website, the Democrats version is map 1, Republicans map 2. I don't know how much these will change based on this new law the Gov signed today.

Reapportionment Commission