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A friend of mine that has grandchildren is looking forward to it. She got sick of taking the kids to the zoo all the time.
If Cuse wants to become "cool" and actually attract young families this type of thing is essential. They want to build sports fields for travel clubs, etc...Syracuse will be popular for team tournaments as Destiny and the Aquarium will be minutes away.

I assume ESF (and maybe SU) will play a role in it.
 
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Yup...Varsity will get a new spot...Hopefully they can retain some old charm.
My boys and I were sitting at the table where Tim Greens mural is the night he asked my oldest to move so he could autograph it. He was very polite and autographed their programs. A night they won’t forget.

I hope they are able to keep those murals and transfer them to the new place
 
My boys and I were sitting at the table where Tim Greens mural is the night he asked my oldest to move so he could autograph it. He was very polite and autographed their programs. A night they won’t forget.

I hope they are able to keep those murals and transfer them to the new place
I have no inside knowledge but it make economic sense those buildings will be torn down.
 
I have no inside knowledge but it make economic sense those buildings will be torn down.

Prime territory for a 5 over 1 development.

First floor retail - hello, Varsity!!
Hello Faegans!

The 5 floors above are housing.

Which there’s always a need for in a college town.
 
If Cuse wants to become "cool" and actually attract young families this type of thing is essential. They want to build sports fields for travel clubs, etc...Syracuse will be popular for team tournaments as Destiny and the Aquarium will be minutes away.

I assume ESF (and maybe SU) will play a role in it.
Syracuse would be even cooler if it had a sewer system that worked...
 
If Cuse wants to become "cool" and actually attract young families this type of thing is essential. They want to build sports fields for travel clubs, etc...Syracuse will be popular for team tournaments as Destiny and the Aquarium will be minutes away.

I assume ESF (and maybe SU) will play a role in it.

Smart man...

Beyond that, I share shandeezy's thoughts. Not usually impressed with the County's planning or attention to detail on these sorts of projects, but I'm not rabidly opposed, either. Much better to be built on a brownfield close to the center of the city rather than, say, outside the city smack-dab in the middle of a beautiful new park and recreational trail (ahem-Amp!-ahem).

And there are certain developers who are very excited about this public investment.

Best-case scenario, the zoo at Burnet Park, with a dash of medium-density private commercial development kickstarted on Solar Street. Worst-case, Springfield Monorail that is horribly programmed and maintained and poorly attended.
 
Aquarium approved today. Not sure how I feel about it, on the one hand I think it will be great once it's complete. On the other hand I would have rather seen those millions spent cleaning up N. Salina and Wolf St. to connect the ball park to the inner harbor. Maybe the county can do both.


"Syracuse, N.Y. – Onondaga County legislators today voted 9-8 to approve paying $85 million to build a 600,000-gallon aquarium at the Syracuse Inner Harbor.

The vote is a victory for County Executive Ryan McMahon, who has pushed for the aquarium for the past 10 months, arguing that it will increase tourism and kick-start development at the Inner Harbor.

Legislators cast their votes after nearly two hours of emotional comments and debate. At least eight community members who opposed the project lambasted lawmakers before the vote, accusing them of supporting a costly project that ignores the needs of poor local residents. One resident spoke in favor of the project, saying it would increase tourism."
Will they be pumping in water from Onondaga Lake?? Everyone wants to see 3 eyed fish
 
This is somewhat surprising, but does it make sense to forego the seemingly more steady residential income to cater to commercial income that may completely disappear in 7 years? I say this without knowing the lease terms and perhaps it won't be overly difficult to convert the space to residential in the future if needed.

 
Kind of unfortunate that a brewery with large outdoor space will be opening just in time for winter (and then apparently closing in order to winterize the building?). Still, it will be cool to have this nearby.

This place will do well. The original SingleCut started in my old neighborhood (Astoria) and the owners are well-liked. They are quite good at contributing to the community from what I have been told. They also have good appetizers, etc. to go with their beer tastings.
 
This is somewhat surprising, but does it make sense to forego the seemingly more steady residential income to cater to commercial income that may completely disappear in 7 years? I say this without knowing the lease terms and perhaps it won't be overly difficult to convert the space to residential in the future if needed.


Oh yeah, by a pretty wide margin.

Not sure what it does on a macro level for the market, though. There's huge chunks of vacant Class A space everywhere. If a PILOT-subsidized development is just cannibalizing that further, I don't think that's an improvement over the residential units.
 
A friend of mine that has grandchildren is looking forward to it. She got sick of taking the kids to the zoo all the time.
I agree. To be honest with 2 son’s families and 4 grandchildren living out of state, this attraction could be very big. With the area universities, the out of state students, their families - what is a big family friendly attraction here other than the zoo, the MOST or Lights on the Lake when they visit especially in the winter? Another thing to keep in mind, this is county money while most of the things being proposed for county money is to address city specific problems.

The city used to promote sledding, ice skating, fishing derbies, cross country skiing, swimming championships etc in their beautiful city parks that no longer exist. I remember speed skating races and just open skating in Onondaga Park in the city with hot cocoa concessions. Burnet Park used to have a skating rink for Broom hockey leagues etc. The city is trying (renting kayaks for example at Onondaga, weekly concerts etc) but needs to address its’ own local problems and deteriorating infrastructure in their uniquely gorgeous city parks etc.

It is a big deal that the aquarium is being located in the city boosting the inner harbor instead of on county property. Local city and county schools could use this aquarium as a big boost to their educational programs too.
 
Oh yeah, by a pretty wide margin.

Not sure what it does on a macro level for the market, though. There's huge chunks of vacant Class A space everywhere. If a PILOT-subsidized development is just cannibalizing that further, I don't think that's an improvement over the residential units.
Agreed

However, if they lure 100+ new jobs downtown that is a plus.

Maybe some of the vacant office space in others buildings can be rehabbed to get rid of some of the excess office space.

I'll know downtown Syracuse has arrived as a living destination if a Trader Joe's or boutique Wegmans opens city center.
 
Agreed

However, if they lure 100+ new jobs downtown that is a plus.

Maybe some of the vacant office space in others buildings can be rehabbed to get rid of some of the excess office space.

I'll know downtown Syracuse has arrived as a living destination if a Trader Joe's or boutique Wegmans opens city center.

New jobs, yeah. Jobs shifted from another Class A building (which is 90% of what I see - property gets a PILOT, tenant's lease in a non-PILOT building comes up, PILOT landlord gives them a deal they can't refuse, and the shells move), not so much.

That's my general concern, we've got high vacancy in at least three major (and newly-renovated) office buildings, none of which is a good conversion candidate. We've actually made very good progress in 20 years taking bad Class B and C space offline and building apartments, but we have two large new office projects delivering this year in a market that really doesn't need that space. To be fair, each is coming with an anchor tenant from outside the city, but if someone in the city leaves to fill their vacated suburban space, that's arguably not a net gain.

Meanwhile Class A rents are down 25% from the mid-'90s. Absorption rates are terrible, and everybody's reevaluating their need for bigger office spaces. Something's gotta give.
 
and everybody's reevaluating their need for bigger office spaces. Something's gotta give
We've added to ours, but man, the office is half-empty on most days. Especially in the summer when WFH allows a parent to stay home with kids. Can't wait to see all the office space for the new Shoppingtown* ...

*My guess is that nothing happens in 10-12 years and then it gets razed for an apartment complex that doubles the size of J-D. .
 
Very nice


Syracuse, N.Y. --- The front of Syracuse’s City Hall will be getting a facelift this summer thanks to local artist Jessica Whitley.

Whitley’s asphalt art design was one of a group of finalists and won a vote held by the city this summer.
Her work will be installed over the late summer and early fall.

In addition to her mural on the pavement, the City Hall plaza will eventually feature tables and chairs for public use and flower planters that will help keep vehicles out of the space...

In the artwork, the roots of a tree are held up by the people of Syracuse. The image is broken into puzzle pieces, which signify the ideal way the city’s diverse people and cultures fit together.

“The mural should act as a reminder of what we can do in the heart of our city when we put all of our pieces together,” Whitley wrote in her description of the piece. “While the world is chaotic as ever: We are stronger together.”

Whitley was born in Syracuse and graduated from Henninger High School and Syracuse University."

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Love this...you have to make a start and this is a good spot and encourage others to make incremental improvements block by block. The JMA area is at the other end and looks promising too
 
Very nice


Syracuse, N.Y. --- The front of Syracuse’s City Hall will be getting a facelift this summer thanks to local artist Jessica Whitley.

Whitley’s asphalt art design was one of a group of finalists and won a vote held by the city this summer.
Her work will be installed over the late summer and early fall.

In addition to her mural on the pavement, the City Hall plaza will eventually feature tables and chairs for public use and flower planters that will help keep vehicles out of the space...

In the artwork, the roots of a tree are held up by the people of Syracuse. The image is broken into puzzle pieces, which signify the ideal way the city’s diverse people and cultures fit together.

“The mural should act as a reminder of what we can do in the heart of our city when we put all of our pieces together,” Whitley wrote in her description of the piece. “While the world is chaotic as ever: We are stronger together.”

Whitley was born in Syracuse and graduated from Henninger High School and Syracuse University."

IU3NHXDKT5FMJH7PK56DEY3POI.jpg
As much as I love this...my concern is: if it is painted...I can't see it lasting for more than a year or two on the ground. Am I missing something?
 

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