Dino and the media

[shandeezy7]

 

[shandeezy7]

1.) Why pick a fight with the local media? In a small market like Syracuse, it shouldn't be that hard to keep the media on your side. Be friendly, throw them a few bones every once in a while and don't admonish them for hyping your team/program.

2.) Mike Waters makes an excellent point. No one was hyping this team more than Dino. No one. He made all the national media rounds after the Clemson game. He was the one saying that no team left on our schedule wanted to play us. He was the one making proclamations about year 2, game 4 is when the system starts to click. I don't bemoan him doing any of this, but don't try to deflect blame after the fact when things don't quite work out how you may have envisioned them.

3.) How can the community (or media) learn how to handle success when there has barely been any? We've had a big win in each of the first two seasons under Dino. After those wins, the team is a combined 1-8 (poised to be 1-9 after this weekend). Success is not winning one game a year where you are a big underdog. He's said it himself: “I want them to be consistently good, not occasionally great." If that's the definition of a successful program, then we certainly aren't there yet, so there is no way to judge how we will or won't be able to handle success.

Probably making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but something about the comment irked me. It's just a dumb comment to make and has zero basis in reality.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I think Dino is absolutely the guy for the job, and this doesn't change those feelings. But a little self-awareness goes a long way, and if you're looking to build a program from the bottom up, shifting some of the blame off yourself, your staff and your players and onto the media and fans' expectations isn't the right route to take.

 

[690West]

Here's the full quote:

 

[MikeSU02]

All he's saying is trust the process.

The Syracuse media is so sensitive sometimes.

Dude is building a program back up, focusing on the long-term, and the media can't see past next week. That's what he's talking about but the media can't grasp that.

People, media included, need to become aware of just how hard a lift this is to get back to being a top 25 program.

 

[Newhouser]

Personally I think this is crap. IF HCDB wanted to keep the comment to the team needing to handle it better that would have been fine, but I have been fairly consistent in my belief that he needs to stop telling fans how to be fans and focus on coaching his team. If he takes care of the latter, he won't have to worry about the prior.

 

[NKR1978]

Reading the full quote it seems the Post Standard reporters really cherry picked a few words to attack Dino.

 

[shandeezy7]

Here's the full quote:

Thanks, I meant to add the context to the quote, but couldn't find the full thing. I still look at it as a deflection. The fans and the media were so optimistic because of all that he has been saying all along. Belief without evidence, etc. Then, they get what they think the evidence is, and Dino is out there all over the country propping that win up, saying teams are going to be afraid to play us, etc. (I get that some of that is for recruiting).

When you crash back down to earth with a thud, you can't then say that we handled it incorrectly, and our expectations were out of whack with reality, when that's what you yourself was pushing. Just kind of a strange foot-in-mouth type moment out of him.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Dino was talking about the community, NOT the media.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Face it, our fanbase goes from 0 to 100 faster than anyone else in the country (and goes from 100 to 0 twice as fast). When we beat Pitt and Clemson, fans were convinced we would run the table and win the Division. Two games later, the same fans on social media want Dino and staff run out of town.

 

[Pyle]

All he's saying is trust the process.

The Syracuse media is so sensitive sometimes.

Dude is building a program back up, focusing on the long-term, and the media can't see past next week. That's what he's talking about but the media can't grasp that.

People, media included, need to become aware of just how hard a lift this is to get back to being a top 25 program.

Trust the process? Building a program back up? Interesting words from a guy who hasn't really built anything. What he did at Eastern Illinois and BG was fantastic but what exactly did he build? His recruits were frosh/sophs who weren't playing yet. He's turned around already existing teams, but honestly what has he actually rebuilt?

 

[orangepassion]

Face it, our fanbase goes from 0 to 100 faster than anyone else in the country (and goes from 100 to 0 twice as fast). When we beat Pitt and Clemson, fans were convinced we would run the table and win the Division. Two games later, the same fans on social media want Dino and staff run out of town.

What? Who wants Dino out of town? SEC fans are much more understanding?

 

[Pyle]

Face it, our fanbase goes from 0 to 100 faster than anyone else in the country (and goes from 100 to 0 twice as fast). When we beat Pitt and Clemson, fans were convinced we would run the table and win the Division. Two games later, the same fans on social media want Dino and staff run out of town.

We are tired of losing and these last 6 quarters were worse than anything we ever saw from Shafer and border on Gerg levels of terrible. Yes there were some who were convinced we could run the table but I think most people simply felt like our bowl chances were better than ever after Pitt/Clemson so to turn back into a Gergian level team after the 1st half at Wake is kind of a big kick in the testes.

 

[qdawgg]

I don't think the media blew it that far out of proportion. It's an odd thing to say in the context of his contribution to the coverage of the team. I don't personally like this part:

"It's exciting. I get it. It's a new experience for us. I get that you guys get to write about it and that's really cool"

- I don't know what's overly exciting about potentially two 4 win seasons in a row and really bad statistics on both sides of the ball. I don't know that he meant this, I can't imagine he did but it comes off like he's blaming the media for the collapse of the team.

 

[upperdeck]

I think he blames the media for being as blind as most fans and not seeing the vast amount of good thats happening because of the record.

 

[orangepassion]

I'm confused. I thought everyone thought the media was too harsh on the team?

 

[sufandu]

Face it, our fanbase goes from 0 to 100 faster than anyone else in the country (and goes from 100 to 0 twice as fast). When we beat Pitt and Clemson, fans were convinced we would run the table and win the Division. Two games later, the same fans on social media want Dino and staff run out of town.

I don't know. I've seen it exactly the same way in a number of other places too. I think it's fandom. I tend to stay in the middle, and my guess is that's most fans do. The extremes get the attention.

 

[Pyle]

...not seeing the vast amount of good thats happening.....

BC is favored against us, on the road, without their starting QB. We can't win a game in November. We can't keep a QB healthy past 8 games. We have one of the worst defense in all of FBS, and he thinks the media is missing something.

 

[DocFlanders]

Reading the full quote it seems the Post Standard reporters really cherry picked a few words to attack Dino.

well if they keep pissing him off he will be gone once he rights the ship here

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

This is some epic deflecting. The team, for somewhat understandable reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum, has played like garbage over the last 6 quarters. That has nothing to do with fan expectations, media coverage, etc.

Dino has a little bit of primadonna to him, even by coaching standards.

 

[Ozzie0075]

Dino was talking about the community, NOT the media.

I understand what he is saying, however it seems like an unnecessary shot at the community. You are trying to build something and the community for the most part has bought what you are selling. Saying something like this is going turn those on the fence against you and the program. I firmly believe Dino is the guy but this seems like a misstep. The attendance was already not going to be strong on Saturday, I wonder what this will do to those that we thinking about coming to the game.

 

[cuse309]

He's right. People assumed that once we beat Clemson, we had arrived and should have no problem making a bowl, ignoring the fact that this is a process of 3-4 years. There will be head scratching wins and head scratching losses until this thing is done. It ain't done, and it shouldn't have been expected to be done this year or next year. He made the rounds on tv because that's his job and must take those opportunities. He isn't getting invited to do sportcenter following a win over central Connecticut.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

well if they keep pissing him off he will be gone once he rights the ship here

If he leaves because of two beat writers, he has thinner skin than you do for posting this.

 

[elimunelson]

I get the sense that he thinks the Syracuse fan base is dumb and can be manipulated. I don't think he realizes that many fans tasted major success 20 years ago with Pasqualoni and a high flying offense that actually won.

His comments are jarring to me a bit. That along with his surprise that the ACC is actually adjusting to his offensive philosophy. I lived through Rick Pitino in Boston when he was shocked his system didn't work in the NBA.

I'm really hoping he's just having a bad day. I certainly have them.

 

[Pyle]

He's right. People assumed that once we beat Clemson, we had arrived and should have no problem making a bowl, ignoring the fact that this is a process of 3-4 years. There will be head scratching wins and head scratching losses until this thing is done. It ain't done, and it shouldn't have been expected to be done this year or next year. He made the rounds on tv because that's his job and must take those opportunities. He isn't getting invited to do sportcenter following a win over central Connecticut.

What process are you pointing at?
Eastern Ill - 2 years, won and gone
BG - 2 years, won and gone
Cuse- 2 years, 8-15

I only ask because Dino hasn't show a process to successfully rebuilding anything, he shows an ability to instantly turn around a team which didn't happen here. The man has never even really played with his own recruits. Next year will be interesting.

 

[upperdeck]

I know the Su fan base is a bit dumb. We have a bad defense if you only look at 6 quarters. Who knew they would implode? if the BC Rb does not run for 200 and 3 tds we will be fine.. He may do that in 1 quarter the way we are playing now..

Who knew FSU would implode when they lost their QB? It happens.. WV had it happen sat to when they lost their QB. FL had it happen this year.. and if Alabama lost Hurts they would implode as well.