Dino on staff changes

[orangenauburn]

yea, I don’t think that’s Welch.

The lack of a mustache gave him away

 

[Jake]

The new QB comes in needing to throw a decent amount of yards for a 1st down and we rush 3, drop back in to zone, and the backup sits back behind the line forever and then throws for a 1st down right down the middle. D play calling was more aggressive at times and then turtles up at the most important times. Feels like the offense does the same thing at times.

That play made me crazy.

 

[Cusefan69]

I would be surprised if staff decisions go long. Talk with Wildhack. Find out if there is additional dollars for a higher end replacement. Get his inputs (which I am guessing he already has) and think through the different permutations (move this coach here, reassign that coach there, get rid of that coach) and then pull the trigger. I would think Dino has already gone through the different changes in his head at this point. He has a football wife, I am guessing he has cycled his thoughts through her as well. Waiting until after the holidays is dragging it out and honestly it’s not fair to the recruits either. If you are dumping a position coach and it puts a recruit at risk then so be it. It’s tough on the coaches and their families, real tough i am sure but the sooner they know, the sooner they can reach out and network on new opportunities.

 

[qdawgg]

That play made me crazy.

Glad it wasn’t just me. If we were getting burned blitzing then I understand but up to that point we were way more physical and disruptive with their starter in. Made no sense to me.

 

[Rocco]

Dino was an ass't at one time. He has to know you have to treat people better than that. This is their live. They have families to support.

Treat people better than that? These guys all chose their careers and they're handsomely paid for what they do. The HC has a responsibility to his players, school and fanbase to get better. However and whenever he chooses to do that, I fully support him.

 

[dasher]

Treat people better than that? These guys all chose their careers and they're handsomely paid for what they do. The HC has a responsibility to his players, school and fanbase to get better. However and whenever he chooses to do that, I fully support him.

Well, you are wrong. Have you ever managed anyone? There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. And when word gets out that you do things the wrong way, people don't want to work for you. Period. By the way, he owes more to the people that work for him than he does to the fan base. He needs to have guys that will work their @ss off for him. Fans for the most part, couldn't care less about him or his family. You just said so yourself. Not to mention, that they really aren't paid handsomely. Being an ass't is a grind. Just as a tip, who do you think turned the Astros in? It was the scouts that they treated like crap.

 

[Rocco]

Well, you are wrong. Have you ever managed anyone? There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. And when word gets out that you do things the wrong way, people don't want to work for you. Period. By the way, he owes more to the people that work for him than he does to the fan base. Not to mention, that they really aren't paid handsomely. Being an ass't is a grind.

They are paid handsomely when compared to all other professions. Believe our assistants make around $250-300k/yr and our coordinators are probably around $500k. If that's not a good living to most, then not sure what is. Grind or not, again, they chose their passion as their profession.

Yes, I do manage people.

 

[dasher]

They are paid handsomely when compared to all other professions. Believe our assistants make around $250-300k/yr and our coordinators are probably around $500k. If that's not a good living to most, then not sure what is. Grind or not, again, they chose their passion as their profession.

Yes, I do manage people.

and you think it is a-okay to not led people know they are being let go. Thus limiting their chance to get employment? I hope that isn't true.

 

[Rocco]

and you think it is a-okay to not led people know they are being let go. Thus limiting their chance to get employment? I hope that isn't true.

You're assuming that he already knows who's leaving (he even said he would take his time). Also, you're assuming he hasn't already told these people.

They're football coaches, they will find new jobs. There's a gazillion of them available every year. If they're worthy, they will find fruitful employment.

I will say though, getting canned from a job isn't exactly a good start. Not everyone is a winner.

 

[dasher]

You're assuming that he already knows who's leaving (he even said he would take his time). Also, you're assuming he hasn't already told these people.

They're football coaches, they will find new jobs. There's a gazillion of them available every year. If they're worthy, they will find fruitful employment.

I will say though, getting canned from a job isn't exactly a good start. Not everyone is a winner.

Almost everyone in that profession gets fired at some point. Hardly makes them a loser. How it is done is another matter. Lou Holtz, Tom Coughlin, the list would go on for pages. I'm not assuming anything. If he has told anyone they are leaving, great. That is all I am suggesting. One thing I am sure of, he knows who he wants back. If he doesn't, we have the wrong guy as Head Coach. It depends on when you get fired on how easily you can find a job. I honestly can't believe I am having this conversation. This is management 101. I let a number of brokers go in my time as a Director. I always did it the right way. People don't forget when you don't. Even the people that you keep.

 

[Rocco]

Almost everyone in that profession gets fired at some point. Hardly makes them a loser. How it is done is another matter. Lou Holtz, Tom Coughlin, the list would go on for pages. I'm not assuming anything. If he has told anyone they are leaving, great. That is all I am suggesting. One thing I am sure of, he knows who he wants back. If he doesn't, we have the wrong guy as Head Coach. It depends on when you get fired on how easily you can find a job. I honestly can't believe I am having this conversation. This is management 101. I let a number of brokers go in my time as a Director. I always did it the right way. People don't forget when you don't. Even the people that you keep.

No kidding Dasher. These guys are constantly jumping ship, trying to stay on the ship or getting thrown off.

As for managing people, you're acting as if managing people in the investment world is the same as in collegiate football. It's not.

And for the record, I don't think Dino would ever intentionally hurt one of his staff members.

 

[dasher]

No kidding Dasher. These guys are constantly jumping ship, trying to stay on the ship or getting thrown off.

As for managing people, you're acting as if managing people in the investment world is the same as in collegiate football. It's not.

And for the record, I don't think Dino would ever intentionally hurt one of his staff members.

Treating people the right way is the same in every business ever invented. If you don't think Dino would treat someone poorly, why have this conversation. I don't believe he would hurt someone intentionally either.

 

[Cusefan78]

I actually think the IMG connection was Brian Ward. I’ll have to look it up. Ward got Mikel Jones. None of those other guys has produced. I think Ruff and Bear are the two best at this point. Rumor that both Sharod and DClarke have left. Dixon never made it. The big DEnd recruit got booted. I’m hoping Cam Jonas gets run but he didn’t play this year. Cole and Munoz seem promising. He’s so far picked up Hanna and Latarie Kinsler. The WR Poitier might be his to but he’s a Canadian. So results are very mixed at this point. A lot like the other coach a few years ago who got us Ish and very else in terms of actual production.

Ruff was the one recruit the guy that was hired and left to go to Maryland had. Can’t remember his name but he was around for like a month.

 

[Cusefan78]

How do you know they are not that great?

The dreamland su fans live in which has stars and rankings not mattering is Almost comical.

 

[RMH44]

I actually think the IMG connection was Brian Ward. I’ll have to look it up. Ward got Mikel Jones. None of those other guys has produced. I think Ruff and Bear are the two best at this point. Rumor that both Sharod and DClarke have left. Dixon never made it. The big DEnd recruit got booted. I’m hoping Cam Jonas gets run but he didn’t play this year. Cole and Munoz seem promising. He’s so far picked up Hanna and Latarie Kinsler. The WR Poitier might be his to but he’s a Canadian. So results are very mixed at this point. A lot like the other coach a few years ago who got us Ish and very else in terms of actual production.

I saw D Clarke on the sidelines yesterday dressed in street clothes. He looked happy.

 

[NineOneSeven]

When these coaches search for new staff is it really as simple as just picking up the phone and calling them, basically whoever, whenever?

 

[CuseOnly]

Treating people the right way is the same in every business ever invented. If you don't think Dino would treat someone poorly, why have this conversation. I don't believe he would hurt someone intentionally either.

Tell that to every college football coach that ever got fired. I am sure Addazio knew it was coming this morning, his family too.

I think Lane Kiffin was a good one too, he was left on the Tarmac at an away game.

This is coaching. Didnt Shafer and his staff all get told at once by Coyle in an unprofessional an unceremonious way?

Getting fired "the right way" doesnt change anything.

 

[orangenauburn]

Tell that to every college football coach that ever got fired. I am sure Addazio knew it was coming this morning, his family too.

I think Lane Kiffin was a good one too, he was left on the Tarmac at an away game.

This is coaching. Didnt Shafer and his staff all get told at once by Coyle in an unprofessional an unceremonious way?

Getting fired "the right way" doesnt change anything.

Not Matt Luke

He was at a commits house when they found out via a blogger

 

[dasher]

Tell that to every college football coach that ever got fired. I am sure Addazio knew it was coming this morning, his family too.

I think Lane Kiffin was a good one too, he was left on the Tarmac at an away game.

This is coaching. Didnt Shafer and his staff all get told at once by Coyle in an unprofessional an unceremonious way?

Getting fired "the right way" doesnt change anything.

Karma. There is no question that people in all lines of work have been fired in bad ways. It never serves a good purpose to do it that way. It will almost always come back at you.

 

[nzm136]

Based on Dino’s comments, it sounds like not only will the DC be changing, but a change to the whole scheme used on defense is also being seriously contemplated.

The ACC is a tough league for a DC. You have a bunch of teams that like to use 3 and 4 WR sets and feature great speed, and a bunch of teams that like to use power rush schemes, often with a traditional FB and sometimes with two TEs.

It seems to me that the teams that have the most success defending in this conference with mid level talent are the ones that rely heavily on man coverage and multiple blitz packages. These kinds of defenses are proactive instead of reactive and put a lot of pressure on the offense. These approaches have been very successful shutting down our offense this season, for example.

It is going to be very hard for us to have a defense that consistently puts pressure on the QB using 3 and 4 men fronts with little blitzing. I think, and this is just my opinion, Dino has realized the Tampa 2 can only be successful in this conference with very good talent and experience. There isn’t much margin for error. The QBs in this conference are good enough to tear it up too often. In short, we have to do something different.

I expect we will go In a completely different direction on defense, finding a DC who embraces an extremely aggressive, attacking style.

Regardless of who the new DC is, I think it is likely he is going to want to bring in at least a few coaches who he has worked with in the past and know his scheme well.

IMHO, Dino made some mistakes setting up his staff initially. He needed to get some coaches on the staff with strong ties to Northeast recruiting but he almost completely ignored geography starting out and our recruiting in the Northeast has suffered greatly as a result. Even the guys he got to recruit the Northeast, Beatty and Hart specifically, ended up leaving before making any impact on the recruiting trail.

He has made a couple of recent hires with more background in the NE. Hope we add a couple more guys with ties up here. It is fine to recruit Detroit and Chicago but our natural recruiting area is the Northeast, and we have to recruiting better here.

This is a major moment in the Babers era. Dino is wise to take his time and make sure he makes good choices. We had the talent and experience to be at least a mediocre defense this season. The total collapse of the unit must lie mostly on Ward’s shoulders and Dino made a move he had to make. Let’s hope he makes some good decisions rethinking his defense this time. I think he will.

It would be fantastic to pull some real talent out of NJ again, but that's going to be a hard battle w/ the B1G presence in the state + Schiano (until he is exposed in ~3 years). But it would be incredible to pull some big talent out of MA (the state is consistently good for a couple of 4*'s a year) and PA.

I think a player or two on defense and a player or two on offense could be the difference (a more efficient offense will help the defense as well). I'm actually really optimistic about the program. I think that 5-7 is a low point, not the norm.

 

[OrangeDW]

The 10 win season was all because of Dungey I've been told who was not a Dino recruit

You wanted Dungey benched for DeVito in that 10 win season to prepare for the future though so...I’m still confused on where you’re coming from?

 

[sufandu]

This probably isn't that hard to figure out. If this is a busy recruiting time as CuseLegacy pointed out, he may want a full staff on the road to keep the class together. There is likely little benefit to firing anyone right now unless you know for sure who you're going to replace them with. I expect no news until after the early signing day. Given when the coaching convention is as long as you pull the trigger around the new year it gives the fired guys plenty of time to find open positions. The one caveat to this is that we already know a change is being made a DC. If Dino knows he wants to go outside the current staff, maybe that gets filled sooner since it's already open and Dino may want his input on other changes on that side of the ball.

 

[orangenauburn]

Damn it

Are you sure?

It's not common core so I could be wrong

 

[Cheriehoop]

This probably isn't that hard to figure out. If this is a busy recruiting time as CuseLegacy pointed out, he may want a full staff on the road to keep the class together. There is likely little benefit to firing anyone right now unless you know for sure who you're going to replace them with. I expect no news until after the early signing day. Given when the coaching convention is as long as you pull the trigger around the new year it gives the fired guys plenty of time to find open positions. The one caveat to this is that we already know a change is being made a DC. If Dino knows he wants to go outside the current staff, maybe that gets filled sooner since it's already open and Dino may want his input on other changes on that side of the ball.

It is probably also an important recruiting time for the assistants he’s looking to hire too. No way to know if a future assistant feels committed to his current school till the bowl season/recruiting cycle is over too.

 

[skurey]

You wanted Dungey benched for DeVito in that 10 win season to prepare for the future though so...I’m still confused on where you’re coming from?

This season proved it was needed.