dion being dion

[orangemass]

Meh we overrate his talent. He's out of shape, doesn't play defense, and can't shoot. His career numbers are below replacement player level.

I agree with all of this... Definately out of shape...

 

[br801]

Billy Owens, he said so himself. Before his heart condition slowed him down, as good as he was, DC was viewed as being lazy. Karl Malone at one point said he could be the best power forward ever, if wanted it. Donte Greene. Dion.

In contrast to that, less talented players have carved out great careers. Sherm did well considering how undersized he was. Jason Hart probably had a longer career than almost anyone could have anticipated. John Wallace, Etan Thomas, and Hakim Warrick probably maxed out their potential. Jerami Grant is having a good career.

Owens had some excellent years and had his career cut short and lessened by injury.

Coleman had a long career most would sign up for (borderline NBA HoF level) and the extent to which his heart condition may have hampered him can't really be known.

Waiters has stuck around a while, and has certainly been able to cash in on his talents.

Greene had a somewhat disappointing run, but never seemed like an uber talent to me.

The fact is, it's hard to carve out even a brief NBA career. Many SU players have done so however, and many more have played professionally at lower levels for various amounts of time. To me, all of these guys have defied the odds and done something significant with their abilities on the court.

 

[SU94]

I agree with all of this... Definately out of shape...

The Dion's "out of shape" is an older story. At least this time around, he worked very hard, was in great shape coming off the summer and was not rewarded with a starting role in Miami. Seems he's not dealing well with disappointment (he thought he should be a starter), to which I'd say welcome to real life!

But this Fall/Winter of 2019 chapter of Dion undercutting himself has nothing to do with his physical state/being in shape.

And give the Heat credit, they are thriving without him (fun team to watch), which I think has shaken Dion's internal sense of his worth to the team.

 

[OrangeDW]

Billy Owens, he said so himself. Before his heart condition slowed him down, as good as he was, DC was viewed as being lazy. Karl Malone at one point said he could be the best power forward ever, if wanted it. Donte Greene. Dion.

In contrast to that, less talented players have carved out great careers. Sherm did well considering how undersized he was. Jason Hart probably had a longer career than almost anyone could have anticipated. John Wallace, Etan Thomas, and Hakim Warrick probably maxed out their potential. Jerami Grant is having a good career.

I think DC’s “underachievement” is largely media driven perception. I’ve often compared DC’s career to Grant Hill’s. They were both outstanding players that carried bad teams to the playoffs for their first 5 years or so. Then they had the middle of their prime wrecked by injuries. Then they both had solid second acts as veterans on better teams whose bodies limited them but their skills and knowledge of the game allowed them to be solid role players.

The main difference is Grant had a great relationship with the media and was squeaky clean off the court. Derrick had a bad relationship with the media, and had a number of off court incidents in his younger years.

Donte Greene...I watched him score 3 points in a high school game at Manley Field house against Scoop and Jackson’s team. I think his talent was overrated. He was a 6’8-6’9 guy with length who could get hot from 3, with deep range. Wasn’t much else to his game.

 

[ORRange]

I think DC’s “underachievement” is largely media driven perception. I’ve often compared DC’s career to Grant Hill’s. They were both outstanding players that carried bad teams to the playoffs for their first 5 years or so. Then they had the middle of their prime wrecked by injuries. Then they both had solid second acts as veterans on better teams whose bodies limited them but their skills and knowledge of the game allowed them to be solid role players.

The main difference is Grant had a great relationship with the media and was squeaky clean off the court. Derrick had a bad relationship with the media, and had a number of off court incidents in his younger years.

Donte Greene...I watched him score 3 points in a high school game at Manley Field house against Scoop and Jackson’s team. I think his talent was overrated. He was a 6’8-6’9 guy with length who could get hot from 3, with deep range. Wasn’t much else to his game.

Yes, I went to those games at Manley. My friend and I felt Dontae wasn't even the best player on his own team. The kid that went to Va Tech looked like that teams breadwinner.

 

[miamicuse]

As far as Dion being out of shape, he wasn't in good shape at the start of the pre-season, not where the Heat wanted him to be at. The Heat banned James Johnson from the team for not meeting conditioning requirements. Dion wasn't banned for conditioning but the Heat said he was not where they need him to be at, then all the drama happened.

At this point I think he won't be playing another game with the Heat.

 

[kirbivore]

Meh we overrate his talent. He's out of shape, doesn't play defense, and can't shoot. His career numbers are below replacement player level.

With those descriptions above he's following a similar career arc to Antoine Walker. I pray Dion is not the star of Broke 2

 

[orangemass]

He must have fired the chef because I saw him in the bench recently and looked very pudgy...

Dion Waiters’ personal chef has the Heat guard in the best shape of his career

At one point last year, Waiters weighed a personal-high 239 pounds and needed a change. This summer, he lost 15 pounds and is now 215.

theathletic.com

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Was super excited to see him get the contract and excited to see what he could do this year and his mistakes have cost him. With Herro and Nunn playing very well the heat don’t need him at this point, and with the way they are playing they don’t need to play him to mess with the chemistry.

if the heat want to cut him they have to pay him his contact money correct? he got 4 years 52 million IIRC
not 100% sure how this works.

oh yeah .. that nba money is guaranteed .. there are tricks NBA teams can do to minimize cap ramifications but they have no impact on the players actual money received

 

[OrangeDW]

Yes, I went to those games at Manley. My friend and I felt Dontae wasn't even the best player on his own team. The kid that went to Va Tech looked like that teams breadwinner.

Yeah, Malcolm Delaney. Had a very good college career and made the NBA and played a couple years with the Hawks, like 5 years after college had ended.

 

[sufandu]

Owens had some excellent years and had his career cut short and lessened by injury.

Coleman had a long career most would sign up for (borderline NBA HoF level) and the extent to which his heart condition may have hampered him can't really be known.

Waiters has stuck around a while, and has certainly been able to cash in on his talents.

Greene had a somewhat disappointing run, but never seemed like an uber talent to me.

The fact is, it's hard to carve out even a brief NBA career. Many SU players have done so however, and many more have played professionally at lower levels for various amounts of time. To me, all of these guys have defied the odds and done something significant with their abilities on the court.

I never said any of them didn't have decent careers. Read my post, it was pretty even keeled. Billy Owens himself said he was lazy. I won't argue with a guy when he calls himself lazy.

When DC was young he was viewed as being someone that was not living up to his potential by contemporaries. That doesn't mean he wasn't good. It means he could've been even better.

Waiters has stuck around a while which is a testament to his talent. However, anyone that thinks he is maximizing his potential isn't paying attention. You don't maximize your potential by getting suspended by your teams numerous times. Before this, there have been times he has been accused of not staying in shape. That's laziness and surely not maximizing potential.

Greene had as much physical ability as a number of guys that have had longer and more successful careers. He never figured put how to play. I chalk that up to effort. Some people just want it and some people get satisfied with that first big payday. I think Greene falls into the latter.

Your last paragraph has little to do with what we were discussing.

 

[sufandu]

I think DC’s “underachievement” is largely media driven perception. I’ve often compared DC’s career to Grant Hill’s. They were both outstanding players that carried bad teams to the playoffs for their first 5 years or so. Then they had the middle of their prime wrecked by injuries. Then they both had solid second acts as veterans on better teams whose bodies limited them but their skills and knowledge of the game allowed them to be solid role players.

The main difference is Grant had a great relationship with the media and was squeaky clean off the court. Derrick had a bad relationship with the media, and had a number of off court incidents in his younger years.

Donte Greene...I watched him score 3 points in a high school game at Manley Field house against Scoop and Jackson’s team. I think his talent was overrated. He was a 6’8-6’9 guy with length who could get hot from 3, with deep range. Wasn’t much else to his game.

Early in his career DC had some other good pieces on his teams. Sure, they probably weren't going to far in what was a stacked Eastern Conference back then. I think when Karl Malone, who was considered the one of the best PFs in the game at the time and alltime, says he could be better, I believe him. DC had really good years early in his career with a number of 20/10 seasons, but he was talented enough to have been dominant. I think that's what Malone was saying. I'm not holding health and injuries against DC. I'm talking about what he did before that stuff became a factor. He was really good. He could've been elite, even if it was brief.

 

[two3zone]

Much of his career he had to play alongside Kyrie and Westbrook, two guys who do not make teammates better. I think Dion’s a very serviceable 6th man/off the bench for a contender guy.

He played a year and a half with Westbrook

 

[Col. Bleep]

less talented players have carved out great careers. Sherm did well considering how undersized he was. Jason Hart probably had a longer career than almost anyone could have anticipated. John Wallace, Etan Thomas, and Hakim Warrick probably maxed out their potential. Jerami Grant is having a good career.

And no one had more unexpected NBA longevity than Danny Schayes.

 

[JoeySimz]

Haters

 

[OrangeDW]

Early in his career DC had some other good pieces on his teams. Sure, they probably weren't going to far in what was a stacked Eastern Conference back then. I think when Karl Malone, who was considered the one of the best PFs in the game at the time and alltime, says he could be better, I believe him. DC had really good years early in his career with a number of 20/10 seasons, but he was talented enough to have been dominant. I think that's what Malone was saying. I'm not holding health and injuries against DC. I'm talking about what he did before that stuff became a factor. He was really good. He could've been elite, even if it was brief.

The thing with Karl Malone is...he’s kinda dumb and kindve a pr*ck. Him talking passive aggressive crap didn’t move me.

Those Nets had potential more than pieces. Unfortunately the Petrovic tragedy prevented it from really building into something. It was DC, Kenny, and a bunch of scraps after Petro passed. And Kenny hadn’t really come into his own yet while Petro was there. That could’ve been a great core.

 

[Knicks411]

The thing with Karl Malone is...he’s kinda dumb and kindve a pr*ck. Him talking passive aggressive crap didn’t move me.

Those Nets had potential more than pieces. Unfortunately the Petrovic tragedy prevented it from really building into something. It was DC, Kenny, and a bunch of scraps after Petro passed. And Kenny hadn’t really come into his own yet while Petro was there. That could’ve been a great core.

This era was when I was first becoming a fan, so I kinda remember this Net team when I first started following basketball.

You do have to wonder what would've happened if Drazen never passed away, he was 28 and was really blossoming, had made third team all NBA. Coleman was 25, Anderson just 22. The season after he died was the first year Jordan was "retired", so there was definitely an void at the top. I'm not saying it would've been the Nets, but maybe it could've been the Nets? They won 45 games minus Drazen, with him they're probably pushing 50

 

[MSOrange]

Heat suspended Dion Waiters because he called out sick, then posted a picture of himself on a boat, per report

The suspension is Waiters' third of the season

www.cbssports.com

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Heat suspended Dion Waiters because he called out sick, then posted a picture of himself on a boat, per report

The suspension is Waiters' third of the season

www.cbssports.com

Should have gone bowling.

 

[two3zone]

I was one of Dion's biggest fans while he was here and have kept my mouth shut about him pretty much during his NBA career because I didnt want to trash someone who was probably the best player on our greatest regular season and probably my favorite regular season teams ever.

That said he's an embarrassment and doesn't deserve another chance. He's a joke and I have zero respect for him as a player and as a person who had every opportunity to be a star in the league.

Just retire Dion, JB put you in your place your freshman year, you wouldn't have amounted to anything if he didnt and you were lucky to come back for your sophomore year. Maybe listening to someone like JB during your pro career wouldve done great things for you during your nba career like it did while you were here, instead you did what you wanted to do and squandered what could have been an amazing pro career.

 

[Fireball Jr.]

He should ask Lance Stephenson how it's working out for him in China. Dion's 28 -- 3 years older than Giannis, 2 years older than AD -- the clock's a-tickin' and there's no indication Dion is magically gonna get his shiiiiiit together.

 

[miamicuse]

He did seek advice from JB recently. No idea what JB told him but obviously things are not going well.

Local media in South Florida all said Dion has played his last game for the Heat.

Any chance it was all planned out? That Dion wanted to move on and did this on purpose to force the Heat to buy him out?

 

[Ghost]

He did seek advice from JB recently. No idea what JB told him but obviously things are not going well.

Local media in South Florida all said Dion has played his last game for the Heat.

Any chance it was all planned out? That Dion wanted to move on and did this on purpose to force the Heat to buy him out?

I don't get the impression Dion is quite that clever.

At least he made his Instagram private now - I'm sure nobody will ever catch him at this again (although I'm sure as I write this Dion is accepting a friend request from somebody named "Not_The Miami Heat Front Office" because they have a picture of a kitten as their profile pic)

 

[kirbivore]

He did seek advice from JB recently. No idea what JB told him but obviously things are not going well.

Local media in South Florida all said Dion has played his last game for the Heat.

Any chance it was all planned out? That Dion wanted to move on and did this on purpose to force the Heat to buy him out?

The AB strategy? If Dion thinks that ends well he's a bigger knucklehead than I thought.

 

[syrBossHogg]