Do you think Boeheim has a set retirement date that he will stick to?

[Cusefan0307]

When I start seeing Final Fours made up of Colgate,Kent St,Eastern Michigan and Boston College I’ll see your point.
Maybe when I see a football Championship of Syracuse vs Vanderbilt I’ll get back with ya.

Now you‘re just being ridiculous. Like Baylor and Virginia have been powers for decades or any of the SEC schools currently winning.

 

[JustPherU]

Now you‘re just being ridiculous. Like Baylor and Virginia have been powers for decades or any of the SEC schools currently winning.

Baylor and Virginia have been good before NIL.
What are you even talking about?

 

[Cuse'91]

When I start seeing Final Fours made up of Colgate,Kent St,Eastern Michigan and Boston College I’ll see your point.
Maybe when I see a football Championship of Syracuse vs Vanderbilt I’ll get back with ya.

Does Houston get a Jarace Walker without a wee bit of Texas oil money to sweeten the deal?

 

[baggerbob]

No, he is so stubborn he will not retire just to spite the young reporter who brought up Benny at the presser and everyone else on his “list” since the 1970’s. I wonder if our well known local reporters asked the youngster to lead off the Virginia press conference question so they did not have to Bring it up.

If you read the ESPN article he said everyone wants him to stay.
So as I have said before he isn't going to retire anytime soon.
He is 78 now and if he is healthy enough to be courtside at 85, I expect he will still be coaching.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Baylor and Virginia have been good before NIL.
What are you even talking about?

Baylor won with transfers. Virginia is winning this year with a transfer as one of their best players. You wrote that in your argument above. Without transfers they are not good.

 

[Cuse181]

We’re literally just wasting years at this point. Losing generations of fans in the meanwhile. All that matters is winning, you say? Would like to try to start winning again. JB is clearly ok with “playing teams close”. As long as he gets recognized for being the only reason it was close.

I’m not going to get into the fan base argument again, that’s a nothing argument. Alumni will always like Syracuse, locals will always like Syracuse and attendance will increase with wins. Fair weather fans came back for football, they’ll be back for basketball. And I want the team winning again as well, but clearly there is not much I can do.

 

[OrangeDW]

I’m not going to get into the fan base argument again, that’s a nothing argument. Alumni will always like Syracuse, locals will always like Syracuse and attendance will increase with wins. Fair weather fans came back for football, they’ll be back for basketball. And I want the team winning again as well, but clearly there is not much I can do.

So you’re fine with Syracuse sitting on the sideline indefinitely, not even trying to win. Cool. I’m not.

 

[Cuse181]

So you’re fine with Syracuse sitting on the sideline indefinitely, not even trying to win. Cool. I’m not.

I’m not fine with it, I’m just realistic. I recognize that those comments show I really have no say. I’m not going to get worked up over something I can’t control.

 

[OrangeDW]

I’m not fine with it, I’m just realistic. I recognize that those comments show I really have no say. I’m not going to worked up over something I can’t control.

Ok. Cool. Can the rest of us carry on with being worked up now?

 

[Toga]

We’re literally just wasting years at this point. Losing generations of fans in the meanwhile. All that matters is winning, you say? Would like to try to start winning again. JB is clearly ok with “playing teams close”. As long as he gets recognized for being the only reason it was close.

I hate what college basketball has become but we're keeping it close while I disrespect peers and players.
Who wouldn't want to run through a brick wall for the guy?

 

[Cuse181]

Ok. Cool. Can the rest of us carry on with being worked up now?

Of course, I’m not saying you can’t be. I’m saying that I am not. You asked me a personal question and I answered, your choice is irrelevant.

 

[OrangeDW]

I hate what college basketball has become but we're keeping it close while I disrespect peers and players.
Who wouldn't want to run through a brick wall for the guy?

Yup. Very obvious that this is all about his ego and seeking praise for being a genius coach.

 

[Brooky03]

Of course, I’m not saying you can’t be. I’m saying that I am not. You asked me a personal question and I answered, your choice is irrelevant.

Well said

 

[JustPherU]

Baylor won with transfers. Virginia is winning this year with a transfer as one of their best players. You wrote that in your argument above. Without transfers they are not good.

Virginia won a championship and was good before nil and the new transfer portal rules.
Look, there are always going to be outliers but my main point is the big time schools are still going to get the big time players and the state of college sports is in real jeopardy of losing a lot of fans.
I have a lot of friends that are just sick and tired of not even knowing who is on their team anymore. Quite frankly I don’t know anyone that is enjoying the new rules.

 

[OrangeDW]

Of course, I’m not saying you can’t be. I’m saying that I am not. You asked me a personal question and I answered, your choice is irrelevant.

You said the perception of the program doesn’t matter, and this will be out of the news cycle soon.

Meanwhile we have no recruits for next year, and the coach is publicly saying we aren’t paying but everyone else is. Can’t make this stuff up. Of course the perception that Syracuse is a washed up program with an over the hill coach that hates the sport and doesn’t want kids to make money, and hates on them when they leave early for the pros matters.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Does Houston get a Jarace Walker without a wee bit of Texas oil money to sweeten the deal?

Sampson always got good players. After 5+ years of Houston being a top program he got a stud 1 and done. They played a sweet 16 game in the Dome what 6-7 years ago now I think that was 2016 its almost 10 years hes had that program humming.

We ran off the only player that looked like he belonged on the court when we played them in the Sweet 16. Imagine being on that 2021 team and not being one of Buddy's buddies and JB is just throwing it in your face that you don't have a spot next year Cornell cancelled their season so Jimmy Jr is at the facility every day Joe starts no matter how much better the FR behind him is. But we drew the worst imaginable 5 seed that San Diego State team was absolutely terrible when we should have been in the NIT so Boeheim is a genius and deserves another decade.

 

[Newhouser]

Yup. Very obvious that this is all about his ego and seeking praise for being a genius coach.

I agree and that increases my venom toward the whole situation. If it was old age delusions it's more acceptable, but this is just ego and selfishness as it always has been as those traits are usually long standing. As I type once a day here, this mess also dirties the shirt of the AD and the trustees.

 

[Sherman20]

Delusional
Tone deaf.
Clueless.
And ultimately...pathetic.
He's burning it down on his way out, and couldn't care less. This guy talks like he's doing the school a favor
What in the toothless John Wildhack is going on here?

You’d really have to have big cajones to fire JB after 47 years. Tom Jurich at Louisville had them. He fired the legendary Hall of Famer Denny Crum, who had two national titles, after Crum went 62-62 in his last four seasons there, recruiting was a mess and he wouldn’t upgrade his staff. The situations have some similarities though Crum was still only 65 and Jurich wasn’t a Louisville guy (unlike Wildhack, a Syracuse grad). I think JB also has more support from key folks on the BOT (Tirico, Gold) who would be reluctant to support forcing JB out. The other advantage is that Jurich had Pitino potentially waiting in the wings. He knew he needed to make a move if he wanted to land him.

Some choice nuggets about the Crum firing from these articles:

Jurich's comments on Crum's ouster sparks memories of controversy

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (KT) - When Tom Jurich was hired as the new University of Louisville athletic director on Oct. 21, 1997, to replace the retiring Bill Olsen, the school's football

www.kentuckytoday.com

During Jurich's first basketball season as AD, UofL stuggled to a 12-20 record, snapping a string of 52 consecutive winning seasons by the school. The Cards were slightly better the next two years - at 19-11 and 19-12 - but when they finished 12-29 in 2001, missing the NCAA Tournament for the second time in four years on the heels of two first-round defeats, Jurich felt he had to act.

And his role in ending Hall of Fame coach Denny Crum's 30-year career at UofL created a bitter environment that divided the fan base (sound familiar) and lingered for years. There was huge support for Crum -- who is still a beloved figure in the city -- among fans who thought he was receiving shabby treatment from the new hired gun who had no ties to Louisville.

Others agreed with Jurich that Crum had let the program slide, that assistant coaches Scooter McCray and Larry Gay were ineffective and that there was no indication the trend was going to be reversed, especially since Crum strongly rejected any suggestion that he replace McCray and Gay. So Jurich decided Crum had to go.

Jurich told me that having grown up in Southern California, the same as Crum, and having followed his highly-successful career, he was shocked at the condition of the basketball program when he got to UofL.

Behind the scenes, Crum fought for his job and when he finally relented, accepting a $7 million buyout engineered by president John Shumaker and a lucrative job as special assistant to the president, he insisted on saying he had retired. It was common knowledge, however, that he was forced out by Jurich.

Jurich said the Crum matter was the toughest thing he had to deal with in his 20 years as Louisville's AD.

"I think everybody recognized it was time to do it, it's just that nobody wanted to do it," Jurich said. "He was a legend and nobody wants to deal with that. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, 'I can't wait to get rid of a Hall of Fame coach.' It's just very difficult. It was necessary, it was a move we had to make. That was probably the most difficult one. I wish we never would have had to do that."

Proffitt then asked Jurich if he wanted to tell Crum he's sorry.

"No, I don't think there's anything to say sorry about," Jurich replied. "It's just something that needed to happen."

Jurich said he wasn't surprised by the bad feelings toward him that the controversial move caused.

"No, because he's been here so long and he's got a lot of friends. Friends take care of their own friends and I understand that."

Crum Finally Faces Music

Coach will resign after completion of 30th season at Louisville, but he won't go out on his terms.

www.latimes.com

Last week, internal memos between Crum and Jurich were leaked to an alternative paper in Louisville.

Jurich to Crum: “The thing that is hurting our recruiting is not Tom Jurich, but the performance of our program. . . . To be continually attacked by you for lack of support is appalling.”

Crum to Jurich: “Many of my colleagues have told me that they cannot believe that I have been treated like I have. If they had accomplished one-half of what I have done here, they would be heroes at their school.”

 

[Cusefan0307]

Virginia won a championship and was good before nil and the new transfer portal rules.
Look, there are always going to be outliers but my main point is the big time schools are still going to get the big time players and the state of college sports is in real jeopardy of losing a lot of fans.
I have a lot of friends that are just sick and tired of not even knowing who is on their team anymore. Quite frankly I don’t know anyone that is enjoying the new rules.

These coaches are mad they can’t sit 4 and 5 star players on the bench for a year or they will transfer to another school. It’s exactly why Roy got out. He was pissed Kessler transferred to Auburn. That’s how the transfer portal has leveled the playing field. You have to play guys now or they will leave. Fine by me.

 

[Brooky03]

Sampson always got good players. After 5+ years of Houston being a top program he got a stud 1 and done. They played a sweet 16 game in the Dome what 6-7 years ago now I think that was 2016 its almost 10 years hes had that program humming.

We ran off the only player that looked like he belonged on the court when we played them in the Sweet 16. Imagine being on that 2021 team and not being one of Buddy's buddies and JB is just throwing it in your face that you don't have a spot next year Cornell cancelled their season so Jimmy Jr is at the facility every day Joe starts no matter how much better the FR behind him is. But we drew the worst imaginable 5 seed that San Diego State team was absolutely terrible when we should have been in the NIT so Boeheim is a genius and deserves another decade.

KR ran himself off. We gave him 20 mpg as a freshman. He plays a whopping 26 per game now on a middling Seton Hall team. He’d play 35 here.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Maybe just maybe the powers that be will finally realize this is a sheet show that needs to be demolished and that we need to start from scratch with new blood.

I'd like to see the new coach given this FR class and a 5th year Edwards and *maybe* Mintz. You add a couple older 22 year old wings and if Mintz leaves a PG and we are in business.

Some guys will leave but we have some nice pieces. JB only inherited a Final Four team from Danforth and then had the biggest on campus facility built for him along with the Big East and TV exposure coming along.

Where it would get ugly is when you go to replace the internal hire after 2 miserable seasons and no one wants the job. If people don't think we can have a season like Louisville is having this year they are insane. Louisville legitimately has the only NBA caliber arena that is nicer than most NBA arenas and look at them. Even now they might outbid us for a coach for next year if we go out and look for someone new.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Sampson always got good players. After 5+ years of Houston being a top program he got a stud 1 and done. They played a sweet 16 game in the Dome what 6-7 years ago now I think that was 2016 its almost 10 years hes had that program humming.

We ran off the only player that looked like he belonged on the court when we played them in the Sweet 16. Imagine being on that 2021 team and not being one of Buddy's buddies and JB is just throwing it in your face that you don't have a spot next year Cornell cancelled their season so Jimmy Jr is at the facility every day Joe starts no matter how much better the FR behind him is. But we drew the worst imaginable 5 seed that San Diego State team was absolutely terrible when we should have been in the NIT so Boeheim is a genius and deserves another decade.

He also got penalized for it while the NCAA looked the other way at other schools. Now there is no concern about a penalty.

 

[kcsu]

I’m sure he loves the game itself. And it seems he craves the praise that comes from doing it well and is maybe still chasing that high?

Hes an extremely insecure, old person who hates change. Hes most likely afraid.

 

[OrangeDW]

KR ran himself off. We gave him 20 mpg as a freshman. He plays a whopping 26 per game now on a middling Seton Hall team. He’d play 35 here.

The difference is we had no other PG on the team and it still didn’t matter.

Unless we needed to get the ball across halfcourt to go to the sweet 16….

 

[Orangezoo]

It's interesting watching the little echo chambers that develop in all of these threads.

If you are ok with SU hoops just existing or even faltering and not doing anything else now or in the future there is nothing wrong with that. It's a curious stance to take given the longstanding history but certainly fair game. In that respect I would say it's curious one with that perspective would engage on a fan board of a prestigious hoops and argue that position or a vector off of it. Again cool if that's your view just seems this place would be a waste of your time if you are comfortable with the casual nature of that view.

The fanatical view around expecting and demanding better can get out of hand at times but tends to be the more common. There is a disproportionate number of folks here in that bucket. Clearly at the end of the day if the program rebounds the former likely re enter the fanatical group.

My overall hope is that football , Lax and Soccer, among others, carry the torch that hoops fulfilled and that more folks gravitate towards those programs to continue to have SUA humming with relevance so eventually this mess in hoops has juice around it to boost it back where some of us feel it belongs.

In the meantime this stuff from JB is just painful and insult to injury on top of the struggles