Do you think Boeheim has a set retirement date that he will stick to?

[M2MPrinciples]

It's not some kind of ethical win to say publicly that you can't get good players the NIL deals they need to come to your school, or that your lack of players with NIL deals makes you somehow better. It's like saying "We may have lost by 40, but at least we didn't take any of those newfangled three-pointers. That's the devil's shot."

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

KR ran himself off. We gave him 20 mpg as a freshman. He plays a whopping 26 per game now on a middling Seton Hall team. He’d play 35 here.

Again look at the culture guys on that team who weren't close to Buddy put up with. Jimmy Jr isn't playing for Cornell and is at the practice facility every day and the coach is telling them he'll play 40 MPG the next year. Buddy never sits no matter how cold or poor on D he is. Joe starts no matter what. Wouldn't you want to go home ASAP and play call of duty or something if that was your workplace you aren't hanging out on Saturdays or going for dinner/beers/lunch with your colleagues.

Of course it didn't work out well for any of them and they didn't land in perfect spots look what happened to our last Seton Hall transfer. I'm still pissed at the way talented players on that team were treated.

 

[JustPherU]

These coaches are mad they can’t sit 4 and 5 star players on the bench for a year or they will transfer to another school. It’s exactly why Roy got out. He was pissed Kessler transferred to Auburn. That’s how the transfer portal has leveled the playing field. You have to play guys now or they will leave. Fine by me.

I’m happy for ya.

 

[Cuse181]

You said the perception of the program doesn’t matter, and this will be out of the news cycle soon.

Meanwhile we have no recruits for next year, and the coach is publicly saying we aren’t paying but everyone else is. Can’t make this stuff up. Of course the perception that Syracuse is a washed up program with an over the hill coach that hates the sport and doesn’t want kids to make money, and hates on them when they leave early for the pros matters.

Perception doesn’t matter, it literally changes every year as the landscape shifts. JB leaves, the perception changes. Syracuse wins 25 games, the perception changes. The ACC has a couple more down years in a row? The perception changes. Syracuse hires Sean Miller, the perception changes.

Iowa State, Rutgers, K-state, Indiana, ohio state all have had perception change multiple times over the last decade both good and bad. How many times do you even think about them when there isn’t a game imminent?

Is having no 2023 recruits great? No, but would you feel differently is they got 3 of the 22 guys last and 3 of 22 this year? You brought in a 6 person class and the overwhelming argument on this fan site has been transfers are better than freshman anyway so bother going after 2nd or 3rd choice guys when you can just get transfers who are better anyway?

As for the money, JB doesn’t decide who gets paid or not so his opinion on the matter should be of zero consequence. He literally cannot impact those decisions without committing a violation so his comments are largely unimportant. He can hate it and still benefit from it at the same time, that’s what many coaches are doing.

And JB never hates on kids for leaving early, that’s fans. Most times he’s the one telling them to go.

 

[kingtidge]

You said the perception of the program doesn’t matter, and this will be out of the news cycle soon.

Meanwhile we have no recruits for next year, and the coach is publicly saying we aren’t paying but everyone else is. Can’t make this stuff up. Of course the perception that Syracuse is a washed up program with an over the hill coach that hates the sport and doesn’t want kids to make money, and hates on them when they leave early for the pros matters.

95% of fans want him to continue coaching, so why wouldn't he??

The poll results here are not only wrong but should be completely inverted, I guess.

I have a hard time actually believing he believes this and that he's that delusional... Which would mean he is now trolling the fan base out of spite.

Welcome to the start of the end. It's happening... and it's already getting really ugly.

It will get uglier.

 

[pwong]

Where is it public? The term NIL is also very elastic.
I put a son through Wake and it is by no means a poverty stricken school when it comes to alumni and booster resources.

Wake put two under recruited transfers into the NBA and then couldn’t capitalize on that to land higher profile transfers for this offseason. It’s not like Forbes didn’t try in the portal.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Iowa State, Rutgers, K-state, Indiana, ohio state all have had perception change multiple times over the last decade both good and bad. How many times do you even think about them when there isn’t a game imminent?

Hmm, I wonder what happened that led to those teams' perception changes. Can't seem to figure it out. Little help?

 

[Brooky03]

Again look at the culture guys on that team who weren't close to Buddy put up with. Jimmy Jr isn't playing for Cornell and is at the practice facility every day and the coach is telling them he'll play 40 MPG the next year. Buddy never sits no matter how cold or poor on D he is. Joe starts no matter what. Wouldn't you want to go home ASAP and play call of duty or something if that was your workplace you aren't hanging out on Saturdays or going for dinner/beers/lunch with your colleagues.

Of course it didn't work out well for any of them and they didn't land in perfect spots look what happened to our last Seton Hall transfer. I'm still pissed at the way talented players on that team were treated.

KR wasn’t treated poorly or unfairly. We have 3 years of stats to show what he is and what he isn’t. He’s a good, not great college basketball player.

 

[Cuse181]

I wonder what happened that led to those teams' perception changes? Can't seem to figure it out. Can you help me?

That’s the point? Lol

 

[Orangezoo]

The difference is we had no other PG on the team and it still didn’t matter.

Unless we needed to get the ball across halfcourt to go to the sweet 16….

Let's be honest here. Kids that leave are the result of both parties. Minutes are hardly everything and there was a difference of opinion on what role he had on the team and his effort level.

Folks claiming it was one way or another are just rooted in that view. It was a mutual interest he came here with mutual blame/reasons why he ended up leaving. Any other view is pure speculation.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

That’s the point? Lol

My point is you actually have to do something to start changing perceptions, either as a coach or the AD. What confidence do you have that JB will be able to reinvent himself at this point in his career?

 

[Brooky03]

The difference is we had no other PG on the team and it still didn’t matter.

Unless we needed to get the ball across halfcourt to go to the sweet 16….

Playing half the game was appropriate for what KR brought to that team.

 

[SU91]

I wonder if he might've gone too far with these comments this time. He makes the AD look horrible and calling out other ACC teams can't sit well with very many. It's not like Syracuse is carrying the conference anymore. If I’m an AD from one of these schools or the league office, I’m making calls to the SU administration. Enough of this guy already. Outside pressure could change the dynamics that Jim thinks he controls.

 

[Cuse181]

My point is you actually have to do something to start changing perceptions, either as a coach or the AD. What confidence do you have that JB will be able to reinvent himself at this point in his career?

and my point is, whether you do it today or next year, the perception will still change. This argument that Syracuse is digging a hole it cannot get out from is a reactionary take and doesn’t live in any sort of reality.

 

[samspann1]

Playing half the game was appropriate for what KR brought to that team.

Did you find it odd that JB Jr averaged more MPG at Syracuse than for a bad Ivy League team?

 

[Bayside44]

How do you know he’s wrong? I’m sure reps for players have reached out and said we’ll transfer in for guaranteed minutes and this price. The Miami situation was covered extensively.
He’s also not happy his home grown freshmen are playing against fairly well paid mercenaries who may have been at several prior schools.

I think he’s right and the Miami cleanup was the pc part.

 

[Willy75]

Wake put two under recruited transfers into the NBA and then couldn’t capitalize on that to land higher profile transfers for this offseason. It’s not like Forbes didn’t try in the portal.

I really don’t get your point but whatever.

 

[Orangezoo]

and my point is, whether you do it today or next year, the perception will still change. This argument that Syracuse is digging a hole it cannot get out from is a reactionary take and doesn’t live in any sort of reality.

There is no hole too big. There is often more effort and time required the deeper we go in as a program and probably that is the bigger debate. NIL has injected an unpredictable variable around this given things like how the NCAA acts after a few years of this, how sustainable it is and how things like G League Ignite and OT elite continue to progress.

 

[pwong]

Where has NIL leveled the playing field? I just don’t see it.
You act like getting 5 of the top 30 is a huge drop in recruiting, you got to be kidding.Teams like Bama and Tennessee have been good for a few years and has a lot to do with coaching nit because they are getting all the players that used to go to Duke or Kentucky.There has always been good veteran teams that are tough outs in the tournament and that has nothing to do with NIL.
Nil and transfer portal have absolutely hurt college sports and I can’t be convinced otherwise.

Transfer portal gives lower tier schools (esp mid majors) the ability to grab talent that historically isn’t available to them. Kansas St and Iowa St are examples of teams that did a complete 180 by using the transfer portal.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

KR wasn’t treated poorly or unfairly. We have 3 years of stats to show what he is and what he isn’t. He’s a good, not great college basketball player.

He went to a terrible program.

I think things are pretty different if hes able to come back with the starting PG job which he was the bestplayer for with some draft hype.

I mean its not like JG3 held the starting PG spot throughout his career hes been moved to the 2 for Mintz this year. Making him a 30 mpg 6th man in 2022 would have been fine just like Jimmy Jr off the bench would have worked far better.

 

[Cuse181]

There is no hole too big. There is often more effort and time required the deeper we go in as a program and probably that is the bigger debate. NIL has injected an unpredictable variable around this given things like how the NCAA acts after a few years of this, how sustainable it is and how things like G League Ignite and OT elite continue to progress.

NIL and the transfer portal essentially guarantees the ability to turn around a program overnight. That’s why I’m not getting worked up over all of this. If Iowa state can go from 2 wins to top 15 in 2 years, I’m sure Syracuse can get back to perennial contender.

 

[kcsu]

Playing half the game was appropriate for what KR brought to that team.

Wrong

 

[Brooky03]

Wrong

But how can it be wrong when I’m right?

 

[Sherman20]

You said the perception of the program doesn’t matter, and this will be out of the news cycle soon.

Meanwhile we have no recruits for next year, and the coach is publicly saying we aren’t paying but everyone else is. Can’t make this stuff up. Of course the perception that Syracuse is a washed up program with an over the hill coach that hates the sport and doesn’t want kids to make money, and hates on them when they leave early for the pros matters.

JB is so bad at the public facing part of the job. Maybe you could get away with operating this way 20-30 years ago (or even 10 years ago if you were guys like K or Calhoun or JB). But with social media and everything going viral so quickly, the PR and public facing parts of the job matter greatly. He commits so many unforced errors and harms the program more and more every single time he opens his mouth. Wildhack and the AD staff must constantly be tearing their hairs out. Omg, what did he say now?

 

[JustPherU]

Transfer portal gives lower tier schools (esp mid majors) the ability to grab talent that historically isn’t available to them. Kansas St and Iowa St are examples of teams that did a complete 180 by using the transfer portal.

Kansas St and Iowa St have gotten good players for years!How about the 200 schools that took transfers and suck this year?