Does anybody still think Edwards...

[StPeteOrang]

Just stop ok? You're wrong on this one.

I’m wrong, you’re wrong, I’m right, you’re right. Lol oh man. The whole thing is subjective! There is no right or wrong answer. The whole argument boils down to this.
-The ppl responding to my post think JE should play more and wasnt given a fair shake by JB. That’s fine, I agree to that to some extent, like mentioned he should of been given 5-7 mins per game.
- I think he wasn’t very good based off what I’ve seen in his limited minutes over the years and wasn’t worthy of more than a few mins (5-7) a game and that he’s played better than I expected the last few weeks and has earned more PT. That’s it lol!!! The fact ppl feel the need to jump down my throat about this is absurd. You can disagree with me or say I’m wrong but there’s no way of proving that since it’s subjective. It’s a shame ppl on this board can’t have an opinion without being attacked.

 

[StPeteOrang]

But where you are losing everyone and your “point” is...you keep thinking we’re sitting here trying to say he needs to play 30, 35+ minutes a night. I dont think one person is saying that but just above you said he doesnt deserve a ton of minutes. Bravo, we agree.

But I dont know if you have ever played competitive basketball but you throw Jesse out there each game because 1, the other team has size and well, a 6’10 195lbs Center cant guard bigs. Can barely guard bigger 4s. And 2, you hope that the time you throw him out there, it starts to click and you get the 10-9-2blocks game and if it doesnt, you pull him and ride Marek into the sunset. I played a very competitive section 5 team that went to the chip game every year and had several D1, D3 players on it annually. We had a guy that was 6’5 (in upstate NY, that’s tall) and he was like JBA out there. Straight lunatic but coach put him every damn game because every 3rd game, it’s like something clicked and the kid just DOMINATED. The other two games, he would legit pick his our teammate on a pick n roll LOLLLLL and he got his butt right to the bench.

So what’s the issue here. I agree with this. He deserves 5-7 mins, more if effective. I responded originally to ppl saying he should start or play big mins.

On a side note I played bball but not past HS.

 

[Caboose]

I’m wrong, you’re wrong, I’m right, you’re right. Lol oh man. The whole thing is subjective! There is no right or wrong answer. The whole argument boils down to this.
-The ppl responding to my post think JE should play more and wasnt given a fair shake by JB. That’s fine, I agree to that to some extent, like mentioned he should of been given 5-7 mins per game.
- I think he wasn’t very good based off what I’ve seen in his limited minutes over the years and wasn’t worthy of more than a few mins (5-7) a game and that he’s played better than I expected the last few weeks and has earned more PT. That’s it lol!!! The fact ppl feel the need to jump down my throat about this is absurd. You can disagree with me or say I’m wrong but there’s no way of proving that since it’s subjective. It’s a shame ppl on this board can’t have an opinion without being attacked.

I'm almost ready for ignore at this point. Holy moly.

 

[StPeteOrang]

I'm almost ready for ignore at this point. Holy moly.

You’re wrong. Just stop ok.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

His per 40 numbers are sooo irrelevant since he doesn’t play 40 mins, can’t see any correlation for that being relevant in this discussion.

There's a chance you're a troll (and not even a good one at that), but just in case you're genuine, lemme help ya out.

Per 40 numbers are useful for comparative purposes by estimating a stat line based on a player playing a hypothetical full college basketball game (well, hypothetical for other programs, JB actually plays his guys 40 minutes HEYYYYYOOOOOO) and not just per game averages, which can be misleading based on differences in minutes played per game. The comparison introduces an interesting data point.

For example, Dolejaz has played center pretty much all season, and rarely comes out of the game. Dolejaz is a good player, but his per 40 stats of 12.4 points, 6 rebounds, 1.4 steals and 0.8 blocks is collectively a worse per 40 contribution than Edwards put together last season, part of the past performance from Edwards that didn't impress you.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So which poster here is Etan?

Well this is awkward, but... it's me.

 

[StPeteOrang]

Your entitled to your opinion and your sticking to it...but honestly Jesse showed promise last season. He has shown he was serviceable enough to be earning minutes just about every time he's played including this season... especially considering we've had NO ONE else all year...so idk what it was you didn't like from his minutes up until tonight that made you think he hasn't been "that good" when he's been better then just about everything else we have tried at the 5 all year. Even if Jesse puts up big fat zeros across the board, his presence of being the anchor of our zone is worth the minutes alone. Guys shift to their natural positions and he helps us actually look like our traditional 2/3 that we are use to seeing. Everything else he contributes is a added bonus. Marek playing 40 at the 5 most of the year was a huge disservice to the team and a major mistake by our coach...and he will never admit that as you can tell by his constant "he's still not ready" comments.

I think this is fair. He really is the only viable true 5 option we have outside of BS so he should have been getting 5-7 mins a game. I just don’t think he was effective in the mins I saw him play earlier in the year, I didn’t like how he played and didn’t think he deserved much more than that 5/7. Thought he didn’t look like he would contribute much here but I’m glad to be wrong. Him being able to play will push everyone down a position and allow us to be a better team.

On a side note, I also think JB has done a poor job managing the team but this wasn’t a discussion about JB so I didn’t mention anything about it.

 

[adab1217]

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDabbundo/status/1366625396368769028

 

[SUOrangeSU]

So what’s the issue here. I agree with this. He deserves 5-7 mins, more if effective. I responded originally to ppl saying he should start or play big mins.

On a side note I played bball but not past HS.

Same, had a D3 offer to Keuka but passed on it (wasn’t gonna make $ on it so eh).

I didnt see one post on him getting big minutes but if I missed it, my bad. I just saw your wording of he doesn't deserve big minutes and my first thought was DUH! LOL.

And I actually think/hope JB does this “strategy” with Jg3 unless it breaks him. Bring him off the bench next year and when he enters in the game, if he’s hitting and performing well, awesome, ride him but if he isnt providing anything like tnite, welp, we saw what Buddy and Kadary can do and senior year, him and Kadary run it big (if Kadary is here)

 

[Cusesky8214]

I think this is fair. He really is the only viable true 5 option we have outside of BS so he should have been getting 5-7 mins a game. I just don’t think he was effective in the mins I saw him play earlier in the year, I didn’t like how he played and didn’t think he deserved much more than that 5/7. Thought he didn’t look like he would contribute much here but I’m glad to be wrong. Him being able to play will push everyone down a position and allow us to be a better team.

On a side note, I also think JB has done a poor job managing the team but this wasn’t a discussion about JB so I didn’t mention anything about it.

Fair enough and I can respect that! Wasn't trying to hate on ya!

 

[StPeteOrang]

There's a chance you're a troll (and not even a good one at that), but just in case you're genuine, lemme help ya out.

Per 40 numbers are useful for comparative purposes by estimating a stat line based on a player playing a hypothetical full college basketball game (well, hypothetical for other programs, JB actually plays his guys 40 minutes HEYYYYYOOOOOO) and not just per game averages, which can be misleading based on differences in minutes played per game. The comparison introduces an interesting data point.

For example, Dolejaz has played center pretty much all season, and rarely comes out of the game. Dolejaz is a good player, but his per 40 stats of 12.4 points, 6 rebounds, 1.4 steals and 0.8 blocks is collectively a worse per 40 contribution than Edwards put together last season, part of the past performance from Edwards that didn't impress you.

I’m a troll because I don’t think that stat is relevant? Sorry I just don’t think that stat is useful. Your taking a stat that is totally fictional and based off projection to create a scenario that isn’t real to prove that Jesse is what? Deserving of starter minutes? Deserving of 20-25 mins? Do you disagree with me he should be getting 5/7 mins? Or just that my opinion of him being weak and not aggressive is incorrect? (Which is subjective, it cannot be proven right or wrong, it’s just what I thought of his game). What are you trying to prove with that stat?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m a troll because I don’t think that stat is relevant? Sorry I just don’t think that stat is useful. Your taking a stat that is totally fictional and based off projection to create a scenario that isn’t real to prove that Jesse is what? Deserving of starter minutes? Deserving of 20-25 mins? Do you disagree with me he should be getting 5/7 mins? Or just that my opinion of him being weak and not aggressive is incorrect? (Which is subjective, it cannot be proven right or wrong, it’s just what I thought of his game). What are you trying to prove with that stat?

Well, I tried.

 

[StPeteOrang]

Same, had a D3 offer to Keuka but passed on it (wasn’t gonna make $ on it so eh).

I didnt see one post on him getting big minutes but if I missed it, my bad. I just saw your wording of he doesn't deserve big minutes and my first thought was DUH! LOL.

And I actually think/hope JB does this “strategy” with Jg3 unless it breaks him. Bring him off the bench next year and when he enters in the game, if he’s hitting and performing well, awesome, ride him but if he isnt providing anything like tnite, welp, we saw what Buddy and Kadary can do and senior year, him and Kadary run it big (if Kadary is here)

Well said. I agree totally with that second paragraph. I think Kadary should start and JG come in off the bench, if he’s hot you ride him, if not back to the pine.

 

[StPeteOrang]

Well, I tried.

Alrighty then, I tried as well. We shall agree to disagree.

 

[Sherman20]

... wasn't ready to be a contributor this year, even in a limited capacity?

Oops

I think most fans thought he’d have a chance to be the backup to Sidibe this year. It’s bizarre that JB rarely played him after Sidibe got injured and then not stopped playing him after the Miami game when he played pretty damn well. I chalked it up to conditioning and struggles after the Covid pause. But it didn’t really make sense. Especially when he kept putting in Ajak instead, who is too undersized and doesn’t seem to have as high an upside at center. I felt we needed more length along the back line of the zone with Sidibe out. Marek just doesn’t cut it at center and playing him at PF gives us more size. JB’s coaching and minutes distribution this year has been whack and everyone knows it.

 

[FloridaFan]

I think most fans thought he’d have a chance to be the backup to Sidibe this year. It’s bizarre that JB rarely played him after Sidibe got injured and then not stopped playing him after the Miami game when he played pretty damn well. I chalked it up to conditioning and struggles after the Covid pause. But it didn’t really make sense. Especially when he kept putting in Ajak instead, who is too undersized and doesn’t seem to have as high an upside at center. I felt we needed more length along the back line of the zone with Sidibe out. Marek just doesn’t cut it at center and playing him at PF gives us more size. JB’s coaching and minutes distribution this year has been whack and everyone knows it.

How come we keep using the conditioning excuse when one of the players who got it never plays less then 30 every game?

 

[DoctorBombay]

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDabbundo/status/1366625396368769028

Inexplicable.

 

[Cusesky8214]

Not smart enough to trim this down but at the 1:10 mark of these highlights is something I havent seen a big man do for us in quite some time...throwing it down! Jesse has some skills for being fairly new to the game and that was obvious last year.

 

[jdubs30]

Armando Bacot sure thought Jesse was ready

 

[Consigliere]

Wrong.

Thanks for the insightful commentary.

 

[Caboose]

You’re wrong. Just stop ok.

Says the one guy in this entire thread who still thinks Jesse sucks. We're all wrong, you're right... While being original and copy/pasting my response to him.

 

[kcsu]

Lol. Sorry man. I just don’t think he deserved a ton of mins from what I saw earlier in the year. You can disagree and that’s fine but this is by far the best game he’s played and really the first time I’ve seen him this aggressive. He def deserves more mins now because he looks like a different player. Also your making declarative statements after one game...

Its 2 games. Kid should have been playing all year. Same with Bras and Kadary. 3 very good players who didnt play because of a stubborn coach.

 

[Bayside44]

Wrong.

Which part? He was a b teamer at IMG, etc etc.

 

[Newhouser]

Its not a debate that he should have been getting spoon fed some minutes this season, especially when you consider the problems we/Marek has had. Being able to sit bad Griff and Q without moving Buddy down would have been a plus. Jesse may struggle next game but his length and height alone impacts shots and gets his hands on more ball above the fray than anyone else we have. His skill set is pretty high too and to his credit when he picks up his dribble and gets caught in no mans land he doesn't panic and immediately throw it to the other team. One of JB's worst traits coming out here - he's wrong, he knows he mismanaged but he cannot admit it. One of the main reasons why we are floundering.

 

[Dcuse]

A light came on for Jesse. You can never predict when that is going to happen. During a year, in between years,last game of the year, whatever. He showed teeth the last few games that just weren't there in previous performances. He wasn't challenging rebounds or shots in his previous appearances. That appears to have changed. Let's be happy about that and hope it progresses.