Does Hunt take another snap at QB?

[orangepassion]

You and I remember last year differently -Hunt was good by comparison to just how awful he was in that prior stretch post Tulane which were some pretty G*D awful games. If Allen wasn't such a turnover machine I wonder if Hunt ever sees the field...

He was the MVP of our Bowl Game-must have done something right. Can one of the Freshmen actually win a game before we hand them the job? I think the reason people are so excited is b/c there was zero expectations yesterday. They did some nice things, but let's not go overboard, they also made some mistakes (as is to be expected)

 

[kcsu]

great problem to have. If Hunt can find some touch and he just might we have a three way fight for QB next year with three solid players and yes i could see Lester going with all three and playing the hot hand. Alin comes in Jan learns the playbook has a great spring and RS year Nice problem I think that Kimbel is the kid who ends up transfering

 

[Crusty]

He was the MVP of our Bowl Game-must have done something right. Can one of the Freshmen actually win a game before we hand them the job? I think the reason people are so excited is b/c there was zero expectations yesterday. They did some nice things, but let's not go overboard, they also made some mistakes (as is to be expected)

Oasis in a desert - I don't think it is a mirage.

 

[Statesman1]

He was the MVP of our Bowl Game-must have done something right. Can one of the Freshmen actually win a game before we hand them the job? I think the reason people are so excited is b/c there was zero expectations yesterday. They did some nice things, but let's not go overboard, they also made some mistakes (as is to be expected)

Can the freshman win a game? How about if Hunt wins a game? No doubt, Hunts last few games of 2013 were fine but let's not over embellish what he did last year. Even his best passing games were pedestrian and it was his legs that got him the job over turnover machine Drew Allen, not his arm. The MVP of the Texas Bowl was 19-28 for 188 yards and 0 TD's, 15 rushes for two scores and 74 yards- decent but hardly outstanding and it's been downhill from there.

 

[CuseOnly]

Can the freshman win a game? How about if Hunt wins a game? No doubt, Hunts last few games of 2013 were fine but let's not over embellish what he did last year. Even his best passing games were pedestrian and it was his legs that got him the job over turnover machine Drew Allen, not his arm. The MVP of the Texas Bowl was 19-28 for 188 yards and 0 TD's, 15 rushes for two scores and 74 yards- decent but hardly outstanding and it's been downhill from there.

A - The way he was running and the frequency at which he had to run, it was only a matter of time before he got hurt IMO.
B - Anything was better than Drew Allen aka "The Human Interception Sprinkler"

As I said in another post. Last year Hunt was our best option with experience in the program, not necessarily on the field with the best leadership qualities. Players trusted him and played for him.

After seeing what the underclassmen are capable of with little to no experience in the system, I am encouraged.

Unless Hunt drastically improves, I don't think he keeps the starting job. If he does, then good for us we may win a few more games.

Underclassmen nipping at your A$$ will do that.

 

[CuseOnly]

Has been a board rumor that has never been substantiated.

I am highly skeptical.

How many bubble screens did we throw against Minny and BC in 2013? That should be a pretty good indicator.

I think that when McDonald couldn't think of another play during games, he called the bubble screens just out of habit.

My guess it that those w games we threw maybe 1 or 2 a game. That would be an indicator of Lester calling the plays IMO.

Could be wrong...but I don't think so.

 

[TheCusian]

I know it's a message board and this what we are supposed to do, but I think we just chill on all speculation on any of our QB's. Injuries are dictating playing time right now - might as well let it play out and hope it gets sorted out by AJ taking the reins and not letting go.

 

[Crusty]

How many bubble screens did we throw against Minny and BC in 2013? That should be a pretty good indicator.

I think that when McDonald couldn't think of another play during games, he called the bubble screens just out of habit.

My guess it that those w games we threw maybe 1 or 2 a game. That would be an indicator of Lester calling the plays IMO.

Could be wrong...but I don't think so.

As it was explained to me, Lester was in the booth to help reading defenses so that George had a little more time to call a play. Pretty disconcerting in and of itself but not the rumor making the rounds.

I don't think the bubble screen default has any credence. First of all, they are more often than not Hunt's option. Secondly, McDonald would look at the D and call a run or pass fairly easily. I don't believe the freeze up theory.

 

[Crusty]

I know it's a message board and this what we are supposed to do, but I think we just chill on all speculation on any of our QB's. Injuries are dictating playing time right now - might as well let it play out and hope it gets sorted out by AJ taking the reins and not letting go.

And what else would I do with my free time?

 

[KaiserUEO]

I am not your sport. But that is your style. You say two things - one is really stupid and the other not. Bump the one that is not stupid and foret the stupid one. Only this time you bumped them both. Anyone that thinks any player is either a TE or a Safety must be talking about some other game.
Also, who knows if Hunt can catch or jump not to mention block!
Leave the evaluations to the coaches - they know what they are doing.

that post just embarrassed yourself.

i wanted hunt never to play to QB again.

so last year, when he was winning...i said i cant wait to see him as a SS, a monster back, an OLB, because of his size and the fact he cant play QB.

mainly because he was a lousy QB and to get a rise out of the idiots here.

at the end of the day...hes not a D1 player.

but, this summer, i gave him a legit shot to stay.

i said put him at TE.

i also said...i believe he gave us the best chance to win, as a QB.

i was wrong.

i wish i had gone to a practice, clearly...this was not the case.

dont be stupid...read.

remember.

you are here often.

 

[TheCusian]

that post just embarrassed yourself. i wanted hunt never to play to QB again. so last year, when he was winning...i said i cant wait to see him as a SS, a monster back, an OLB, because of his size and the fact he cant play QB. mainly because he was a lousy QB and to get a rise out of the idiots here. at the end of the day...hes not a D1 player. but, this summer, i gave him a legit shot to stay. i said put him at TE. i also said...i believe he gave us the best chance to win, as a QB. i was wrong. i wish i had gone to a practice, clearly...this was not the case. dont be stupid...read. remember. you are here often.

You're just salty from your g-men looking like a FCS school tonight.

Go Eagles!

 

[KaiserUEO]

You're just salty from your g-men looking like a FCS school tonight.

Go Eagles!

cant argue that.

 

[Statesman1]

A - The way he was running and the frequency at which he had to run, it was only a matter of time before he got hurt IMO.
B - Anything was better than Drew Allen aka "The Human Interception Sprinkler"

As I said in another post. Last year Hunt was our best option with experience in the program, not necessarily on the field with the best leadership qualities. Players trusted him and played for him.

After seeing what the underclassmen are capable of with little to no experience in the system, I am encouraged.

Unless Hunt drastically improves, I don't think he keeps the starting job. If he does, then good for us we may win a few more games.

Underclassmen nipping at your A$$ will do that.

I don't disagree with anything you just said-

 

[SmilinBob]

FSU ran a vanilla defense and yes they are talented and fast but they didn't do anything to confuse the young qb's. I am absolutely thrilled how both played and threw the ball but once we see how they can read different blitzes and defensive reads they have a ways to go. The potential is there and I'm looking forward to next weeks game vs Wake.

As for the question...the best plays.

 

[anglerman]

Hunt is a terrible QB and should never take another snap at Syrcuse and frankly I doubt he does. he had his chance and it didn't workout for him. The best chance for him to make the field would be for the staff to covert him to a TE. That's what he should have been right from the begining.

 

[Millhouse]

AJ long's QB rating was better than 10 out of 12 of Hunts games against p5 schools as a starter.

 

[orangepassion]

Hunt is a terrible QB and should never take another snap at Syrcuse and frankly I doubt he does. he had his chance and it didn't workout for him. The best chance for him to make the field would be for the staff to covert him to a TE. That's what he should have been right from the begining.

"They had a young guy and a guy that likes to sit in the pocket and pass," FSU linebacker Reggie Northrup said. "We weren't worried. Well, not that we weren't worried period, but we'd be more worried if they had No. 10 (Terrel Hunt) in the game. He's more their prolific playmaker. They played a good game. They tried their best. But they weren't really anything to really worry about."

 

[SmilinBob]

"They had a young guy and a guy that likes to sit in the pocket and pass," FSU linebacker Reggie Northrup said. "We weren't worried. Well, not that we weren't worried period, but we'd be more worried if they had No. 10 (Terrel Hunt) in the game. He's more their prolific playmaker. They played a good game. They tried their best. But they weren't really anything to really worry about."

Next years billboard material.

 

[Millhouse]

First of all, they are more often than not Hunt's option.

we'll never know for sure, but I just don't believe that. that's how most teams do it but I don't think that's how we did it.

i think they had no confidence in hunt and just looked for any way to get him to throw a ball caught by a WR. started last year, i'm thinking of the clemson game in particular

 

[xc84]

Next years billboard material.

He Reggie, see you next year

 

[memcorsu]

What do you mean "this offense"? This is the same offense reduced by half for the freshman qb's- just a different play caller.

You can have the same offense and it be called multiple different ways. An offense is like a coordinators finger print, each are extremely unique. If the offense is dialed back, it is a different offense. Think of football as a physical game of chess with each person playing a different way.

A defense begins to recognize that fingerprint and can "cheat" on reads. You get film over a few games and you know if you see, "this formation" "this is what they will do 90% of the time". If you throw a ton of bubble screens then you can have your safeties cheat up clogging intermediate and short throws. If you take shots down the field and throw 15/20+ yards, then you are spreading the secondary out opening shorter throws with lanes being much more open. My gf is a newly converted SU/football fan. She was wondering why everything was so short. I was discussing with her that it is an ebb and flow where you take shots long to open the run and you run to take shots long. After FSU she said, "It sure does make a huge difference when you take some shots, specially when you connect on them."

FSU had no idea how Lester was going to call the game. The routes might have been the same as GM but they were called very differently. The runs were called very differently. Lester really focused on going laterally for most of the game and would throw in an occasional bubble or quick hitter into the flat. Much different than GM.

 

[sufandu]

You can have the same offense and it be called multiple different ways. An offense is like a coordinators finger print, each are extremely unique. If the offense is dialed back, it is a different offense. Think of football as a physical game of chess with each person playing a different way.

A defense begins to recognize that fingerprint and can "cheat" on reads. You get film over a few games and you know if you see, "this formation" "this is what they will do 90% of the time". If you throw a ton of bubble screens then you can have your safeties cheat up clogging intermediate and short throws. If you take shots down the field and throw 15/20+ yards, then you are spreading the secondary out opening shorter throws with lanes being much more open. My gf is a newly converted SU/football fan. She was wondering why everything was so short. I was discussing with her that it is an ebb and flow where you take shots long to open the run and you run to take shots long. After FSU she said, "It sure does make a huge difference when you take some shots, specially when you connect on them."

FSU had no idea how Lester was going to call the game. The routes might have been the same as GM but they were called very differently. The runs were called very differently. Lester really focused on going laterally for most of the game and would throw in an occasional bubble or quick hitter into the flat. Much different than GM.

Can you please just use black? If you want to highlight a word or two, fine, but whole paragraphs in orange is tough to read.

 

[Statesman1]

You can have the same offense and it be called multiple different ways. An offense is like a coordinators finger print, each are extremely unique. If the offense is dialed back, it is a different offense. Think of football as a physical game of chess with each person playing a different way.

A defense begins to recognize that fingerprint and can "cheat" on reads. You get film over a few games and you know if you see, "this formation" "this is what they will do 90% of the time". If you throw a ton of bubble screens then you can have your safeties cheat up clogging intermediate and short throws. If you take shots down the field and throw 15/20+ yards, then you are spreading the secondary out opening shorter throws with lanes being much more open. My gf is a newly converted SU/football fan. She was wondering why everything was so short. I was discussing with her that it is an ebb and flow where you take shots long to open the run and you run to take shots long. After FSU she said, "It sure does make a huge difference when you take some shots, specially when you connect on them."

FSU had no idea how Lester was going to call the game. The routes might have been the same as GM but they were called very differently. The runs were called very differently. Lester really focused on going laterally for most of the game and would throw in an occasional bubble or quick hitter into the flat. Much different than GM.

First of all, I'm not your girlfriend- and your painstaking description not withstanding- it's the same offense just a different play caller.

 

[Crusty]

You can have the same offense and it be called multiple different ways. An offense is like a coordinators finger print, each are extremely unique. If the offense is dialed back, it is a different offense. Think of football as a physical game of chess with each person playing a different way.

A defense begins to recognize that fingerprint and can "cheat" on reads. You get film over a few games and you know if you see, "this formation" "this is what they will do 90% of the time". If you throw a ton of bubble screens then you can have your safeties cheat up clogging intermediate and short throws. If you take shots down the field and throw 15/20+ yards, then you are spreading the secondary out opening shorter throws with lanes being much more open. My gf is a newly converted SU/football fan. She was wondering why everything was so short. I was discussing with her that it is an ebb and flow where you take shots long to open the run and you run to take shots long. After FSU she said, "It sure does make a huge difference when you take some shots, specially when you connect on them."

FSU had no idea how Lester was going to call the game. The routes might have been the same as GM but they were called very differently. The runs were called very differently. Lester really focused on going laterally for most of the game and would throw in an occasional bubble or quick hitter into the flat. Much different than GM.

If McDonald had called those exact same plays in the exact same sequence this board would be going nuts. Aside from Erv running a coupe of sweeps from the slot the only real difference was PTG getting about 3 times more touches than in previous games.

 

[Cuse'91]

the slot the only real difference was PTG getting about 3 times more touches than in previous games.

For that alone Lester gets my endorsement... At least he closed the revolving door @ running back. I would go further; shut down the Morris/McFarlane experiment completely, give Erv the change of pace carries.
RB distribution:
PTG - 60%
Erv - 30%
AAM - 10%