Doris Burke

[LennX6]

Right on. I normally don't have a problem with Doris and these kinds of things don't bother me, but yesterday it was extremely apparent and quite annoying.

The technical part that got called into question was Doris saying how JD learns the zone from JB, and there was no surprise when Pitt went zone. Yet after the game many observations from the inside and outside was how Pitts going zone shocked us, and we were a bit dazed when it emerged.

 

[shermstheman]

Billy packer was the worst...all time

Packer, at one time, was terrific...especially when paired with Al McGuire. Then they split (Packer went to a different network?) and he soon sounded like a mean, nasty old man.

 

[realorange]

Not sure if you are joking...What's the problem with Beth Mowins?

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[realorange]

Doris and Beth Mowins

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[44cuse]

He's fine when you're pulling for the underdog. Otherwise not so much. When St. John's scored 2 baskets in a row against us you would've thought the 4-0 "run" was the Bills vs Oilers in '92.

Frank Reich was Boomer Esiason's roommate at Maryland.

44cuse

 

[tptcuse]

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Have I missed something? Beth Mowins was born and bred in Syracuse. She was an excellent basketball player and she does a decent job reporting.

 

[Cuse Action]

I'd say she was riding, but that would probably be insensitive or s e x ist because she's a lady.


it. She was riding.

More nonsense. She's forgotten more about the game than you will ever know.

 

[LennX6]

You want to say that to me in person?

I agree with the majority of the posts in this thread that are positive about her skills at broadcasting basketball.

More importantly, your inane comment harkens back to when I, as a young journalist, wanted nothing else but to be a sportswriter. I was told: "No way, young lady. We don't care how much you know... or how well you write... but girls cannot be sportswriters."

Thank goodness that women who came along a few years after me... did not fail to make the initial cut simply because of their gender.

There still is a sexist undertone to all of it though, as there still is an "eyecandy" part of this equation.
But we are really only into the first generation of this "societal change". It ain't going backwards. I
If you go to games now, and compare to when i was a kid, the female presence in the audiences, live and on TV, is by far greater today, in spades.
Go to a NFL game. The crowd is about 50-50 male to female.
Each year that goes by it become more and more a meritocracy.

 

[SoBeCuse]

She's knowledgeable and well-prepared.
But she does talk too much.

Worst offense today: At the 17:42 mark of the 2nd half she mentioned Chevy Troutman. That guy killed us. I thought we were done with him.

Ha. She compared that diesel monster Zanna to Troutman which was laughable. Their bodies are/were nothing alike, lol. I agree with you. I will still take her over that charlatan Mike Patrick.

 

[LennX6]

In retrospect, I think it is because the assignments came well over a month ago (who would have thunk 2 Big East teams would be tied for first at 4-0).

I was thinking that the scheds had to be set, because how does Gampel get GameDay over our game?

 

[realorange]

Have I missed something? Beth Mowins was born and bred in Syracuse. She was an excellent basketball player and she does a decent job reporting.

My thumbs down are for the very uncalled for post by nyhc666.
Just to be very clear, I agree with you 100%.

 

[LennX6]

Patrick is the worst. B


Ha. She compared that diesel monster Zanna to Troutman which was laughable. Their bodies are/were nothing alike, lol. I agree with you. I will still take her over that charlatan Mike Patrick.

They all make mistakes. I remember that one. Zanna is more like Nene Hilario.

 

[Brooky03]

haha wow I didn't expect this thread to get to 3 pages. Kind of sad that this is the longest thread of the handful I've started. :noidea:

Anyway, I'd like to clarify a few things.

1) I am not backpedaling from my initial point that she is a poor commentator and last night's broadcast was poor. "She is just the worst" is an expression; it doesn't necessarily mean that she is actually the worst commentator out there. Relative to other commentators, she is probably bottom-middle of the pack, but I would argue that roughly 75% of college basketball commentators today are substandard.

2) Somebody else may have argued that she isn't knowledgeable about the game, but it wasn't me. Knowing the game and being a good commentator are related on a level but they aren't synonymous. Her X's and O's breakdown was okay but it wasn't anything to write home about. I don't doubt she knows a lot about the game; however, I have worked with plenty of people who are awesome at doing their work but terrible at teaching it to others. Doris was a great player and obviously must understand the game; she doesn't always demonstrate that knowledge to viewers very well, though.

I believe it was the start of the second half when she broke down a replay of a Pitt player catching the ball at the foul line, driving and spinning for a layup. The problem was, she referenced two jump stops as the crux of what made the play effective when there was no jump stop to be seen. The dude caught the ball at the free throw line rather nonchalantly and then performed a spin move off a pivot foot. He didn't jump stop when he caught the ball and he didn't jump stop before the spin. This isn't a huge mistake, but it is annoying when she tries to educate the viewer the entire telecast and ends up describing a basic basketball move that was not anywhere in the sequence shown to viewers. It made her appear to be lacking basketball knowledge, regardless of whether or not that is the case.

3) I don't give a single that she is a woman, as far as criticism goes. If she was on the level of Jay Bilas, I would likely give her more praise because it is undoubtedly tougher for women to be taken seriously in the sports industry. My comment about the riding would have been said of any commentator that did what she did last night. I prefaced it with the comment about it coming off as sexist because I knew that ignorant people would probably take it that way. Ultimately, as you can see in the comment, I chose to say what was on my mind anyway. If you were offended, I'm sorry you're so sensitive.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

As a female I must say that the vast majority have come a long way from say five years ago when there was much more blatant sexism here. Also the recent discussion about the NBA player coming out was refreshingly free of homophobia. This is a microcosm of the overall change in society's attitudes I believe. There are still a few more eye candy threads than I would like, but I realize I am literally in the minority here and overall you don't get TOO immature during them. So kudos to most of you guys and keep up the good work!

 

[OttoMets]

There doesn't seem to a broadcaster that anyone likes. I really don't understand what expectations are.

Be honest, be conservative, be informative, be generally positive. Above all else, if in doubt about saying something, don't say it.

Simple, I know, but too many broadcasters try to out-hyperbole one another. Not fun to listen to.

Aim for Bilas. Vin Scully. Musberger, up until recently. Even Ron Darling.

 

[realorange]

Be honest, be conservative, be informative, be generally positive. Above all else, if in doubt about saying something, don't say it.

Simple, I know, but too many broadcasters try to out-hyperbole one another. Not fun to listen to.

Aim for Bilas. Vin Scully. Musberger, up until recently. Even Ron Darling.

I think I remember Musberger having a problem at the Dome back in the 80s and never came back. Never liked him anyway.

 

[OttoMets]

I think I remember Musberger having a problem at the Dome back in the 80s and never came back. Never liked him anyway.

What sort of problem?

He's at the Dome less than anyone I can think of. I believe he did do the 2012 Georgetown game with Knight, though.

 

[Kevind13]

There doesn't seem to a broadcaster that anyone likes. I really don't understand what expectations are.

Just call the game. Why does everybody have to have a gimmick? Never really understood the gimmick. Show up, research everybody's name, and call what happens. Easy peasy.

 

[Crusty]

Be honest, be conservative, be informative, be generally positive. Above all else, if in doubt about saying something, don't say it.

Simple, I know, but too many broadcasters try to out-hyperbole one another. Not fun to listen to.

Aim for Bilas. Vin Scully. Musberger, up until recently. Even Ron Darling.

See, there you go I don't care much for Bilas, who IMO is about as opinionated and pompous as any of them.

I understand that everyone has their preferences (I can't stand Dickie V for example) but it just seems as if when a broadcaster does not genuflect at our particular alter, they are crucified for no other reason. The Pitt game is an example. They do have our number and the record is not in dispute. They have figured out how to play us. To point that out is not a crime it is just an historical fact. If a broadcaster didn't point that out they would be remiss. When they do they are somehow biased. I find that just silly. We are good enough to not be so petty and thin skinned.

 

[realorange]

What sort of problem?

He's at the Dome less than anyone I can think of. I believe he did do the 2012 Georgetown game with Knight, though.

I seem to remember the fans not liking him for some reason. Maybe remarks he made prior to or after the game. Too long ago for my overused brain to know for sure. Maybe some of the other older folks remember.

 

[TerryM]

Ha ha that probably what is firing me up!

What the hell is wrong with Milf pron???

 

[orangefan13]

Just call the game. Why does everybody have to have a gimmick? Never really understood the gimmick. Show up, research everybody's name, and call what happens. Easy peasy.

Its become a science. Announcing, and the showing of replays now builds momentum to the team the media wants to. Announcing and replays have became momentum building favoritism, and its not right.

That being said, excitment and honoring a team for building momentum has its place in announcing, but the media should have no place in building momentum.

Often times we have a team make a run against us and the media still talks them up like they want the run to continue, instead of just honoring a good stretch for our opponent. We rarely get that treatment.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Its become a science. Announcing, and the showing of replays now builds momentum to the team the media wants to. Announcing and replays have became momentum building favoritism, and its not right.

That being said, excitment and honoring a team for building momentum has its place in announcing, but the media should have no place in building momentum.

Often times we have a team make a run against us and the media still talks them up like they want the run to continue, instead of just honoring a good stretch for our opponent. We rarely get that treatment.

I really doubt they have a discussion at the production meeting that includes something like, " Now let's make sure we try to build momentum for Team X by showing replays"?

And how could they do that even if they wanted to?
The broadcast can't shape the game.

The fact is we're #2 in the country.
We're 18-0. Everyone is an underdog against us.
When the underdog makes a run and gives us a game should they not replay it?
Should they not get excited about having a good game on their hands?

I'm a Syracuse fan. But I don't want to hear only good things about us...I don't want homers. I want prepared, knowledgeable broadcasters giving me the clearest PBP and best insight they can.

That's what makes guys like Dan Shulman, Sean McDonough and Jay Bilas so good.

 

[orangefan13]

I really doubt they have a discussion at the production meeting that includes something like, " Now let's make sure we try to build momentum for Team X by showing replays"?

And how could they do that even if they wanted to?
The broadcast can't shape the game.

The fact is we're #2 in the country.
We're 18-0. Everyone is an underdog against us.
When the underdog makes a run and gives us a game should they not replay it?
Should they not get excited about having a good game on their hands?

I'm a Syracuse fan. But I don't want to hear only good things about us...I don't want homers. I want prepared, knowledgeable broadcasters giving me the clearest PBP and best insight they can.

That's what makes guys like Dan Shulman, Sean McDonough and Jay Bilas so good.

Some games announcers talk 75 about one team vs 25% about the other. And they get excited talking about the team they highlight 75% of the time. Then they only give some statistical breakdown analysis for the team they talk 25% about, even when they run a sweet play. And they do it to us sometimes even at home and favorited. If your a casual viewer what kind of message is that sending.

The replays are just more icing on the cake.
For example.. I remember one play last game where we held them for 30 seconds and forced a turnover, 35 seconds later they are breaking down a play from 2 minutes ago, and showing how pitt scored out of the high post. They can use replays to their choice to highlight whichever team they feel(key word) like talking about.

Fact is its never going to be perfect, but I feel pressure during some of our games from the refs, tv, pregame alone even at home. Opponents come into the carrier dome when we are favorite with a big smile sometimes and our guys look semi-worried before tip. When opponents go into cameron or into the zoo, I doubt that ever happens.

 

[TrickySU]

The replays are just more icing on the cake.
For example.. I remember one play last game where we held them for 30 seconds and forced a turnover, 35 seconds later they are breaking down a play from 2 minutes ago, and showing how pitt scored out of the high post. They can use replays to their choice to highlight whichever team they feel(key word) like talking about.

In production meetings before broadcasters, the producers and talent discuss the points they want to highlight throughout the game. I can almost guarantee that one of those points for our game against Pittsburgh (And for any other teams against us for that matter) is how they will attack the zone. This was probably even more of a point for the Pitt game because they have been able to attack the zone better than most other teams. Therefore, when there's a play where Pitt gets the ball to the high post like you need to do against the zone, they're going to show that and talk about it.

What I will say is that there have been times in the past when replays of good defensive stops have been shown, and the broadcasters will discuss how active and long the zone is. The fact is, people already know the zone is good. Not many teams can figure out our zone though, so when a team makes a nice play against the zone, they're going to show the replay and discuss why it worked and how teams need to continue to attack the zone.