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I'd take Lydon over Scottie Pippen, but my judgment is easily questioned.
I think Lydon bests Scottie in a 1 on 1 game today
I'd take Lydon over Scottie Pippen, but my judgment is easily questioned.
If he's not an NBA player then he might as well bolt, get that first round draft pick guaranteed contract, then go to Europe.
because he plays in a college system that is designed to generate blocks.I mean the crazy thing is even if he is shorter than those guys he blocks more shots than all of them.
3 and D guys are perimeter players. Lydon doesn't have the D to be a 3 and D guy.Three and D guys can play for years in the NBA, just ask Wes Johnson.
because he plays in a college system that is designed to generate blocks.
3 and D guys are perimeter players. Lydon doesn't have the D to be a 3 and D guy.
I have a sneaking suspicion that I watch about 10x as much NBA as you guys . . . you would think that having overvalued the last dozen or so Syracuse pro prospects you guys would learn
I watch a ton of NBA as well and I agree with Oraiste. While many of you think he fits the mold of an NBA player because of the way the NBA is trending, I do not see that in TL. He doesn't have the speed or strength to matchup with most NBA 4s. He Has zero off the bounce game and that is needed for 4s now because a lot of teams switch 1-4 and if you cannot attack and then use your strength when you get to the hoop against a smaller guard then you won't be able to stick around. I said it before the season that this teams success would depend on whether he has improved his off the bounce/triple threat game or not. He really has not improved on that at all. His strength is still a problem. He can really shoot it and is 6'9 which is a huge plus so maybe he goes in the first round because of that but I just don't think he will last. He is like Wiltjer who is on the Rockets but Kyle shoots it better than TL.lack of NBA athleticism, especially quickness. His limitations are hidden in the zone scheme.
I would like nothing more than to be wrong, but I don't see an NBA player.
And Anderson is maybe one of the best shooters in the NBA. TL isn't THAT good of a shooterhe's also shorter than all of them and, except for Anderson, they're all centers. And Anderson is much thicker and stronger than Tyler.
TL has the body type of a modern NBA 3 man; he is built more like Chandler Parsons or Gordon Hayward but he does not remotely have the skill set those guys do to play on the perimeter
#HardTruths
I watch a ton of NBA as well and I agree with Oraiste. While many of you think he fits the mold of an NBA player because of the way the NBA is trending, I do not see that in TL. He doesn't have the speed or strength to matchup with most NBA 4s. He Has zero off the bounce game and that is needed for 4s now because a lot of teams switch 1-4 and if you cannot attack and then use your strength when you get to the hoop against a smaller guard then you won't be able to stick around. I said it before the season that this teams success would depend on whether he has improved his off the bounce/triple threat game or not. He really has not improved on that at all. His strength is still a problem. He can really shoot it and is 6'9 which is a huge plus so maybe he goes in the first round because of that but I just don't think he will last. He is like Wiltjer who is on the Rockets but Kyle shoots it better than TL.
He is very very far from a 20 mill player. That's just silly. He is, however, a first round pick and will absolutely be gone. Enjoy him this year everyone.Not sure if you watch the NBA and think he's a tweener from back in the past NBA world. But in todays NBA, he is legitimately exactly what every team is looking for. A stretch 4 that can hit above 35% from 3 and also has a little bit of rim protection ability is about a $20m/year player these days.
I agree that he will get drafted in the first round but I don't think he will stick around and have a long career in the NBA. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see it. What's a player comparison you think he fits?I know it seems like I pick on you a lot because of our disagreement on the Coaching situation, but Wiltjer is a pretty bad comparison. He's 24, spent 5 years in college, and never averaged over 6 rebounds a game in college at 6'10".
Wiltjer was also just a 37% shooter as a sophomore. Lydon has the higher upside.
Anyway this is what Chad Ford said:
23. Tyler Lydon
Previous rank: No. 22
Syracuse
Sophomore
Forward
Lydon got off to a bit of a slow start for the Orange, but he had his most dominant game of the season versus Georgetown on Saturday, scoring 29 points, grabbing 9 boards and shooting a scintillating 12-for-13 from the field.
If he can start contributing with that sort of drive and energy consistently, he'll move up about 10 spots on the Big Board.
I hope soFrank Howard make an appearance in the Mock Draft yet? :noidea:
I agree that he will get drafted in the first round but I don't think he will stick around and have a long career in the NBA. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see it. What's a player comparison you think he fits?
...Not to mention he is almost 6'10 in shoes (not 6'8) and with his baby face, he may not be done growing. He will play in the NBA for sure.No way Lydon is NOTHING like Hayward.
In college Hayward was a SG/SF.
Lydon is a PF. He has a role in the league. He won't play as a rookie but by his second year be fine.
Kelly Olynyk. TL is slightly shorter but more athletic and better defender. Same wingspan.I agree that he will get drafted in the first round but I don't think he will stick around and have a long career in the NBA. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see it. What's a player comparison you think he fits?
Frank Howard make an appearance in the Mock Draft yet? :noidea:
I like the Channing Frye comparison. I see some Frye in his game and a little Nikola Mirotic too.His ceiling is probably Cliff Robinson. Low end is probably Mirza Teletovic. I'd say somewhere between Frye and Patrick Patterson and the thing is he's a better shooter now than they ever were in college. Way ahead of the curve at 20 years old. I know you're not as high on his shooting as some but that's usually the last thing to develop for a guy his size.
If he does, he can get it at any time. Lots of guys finish up during,or after their careers.DraftExpress: Mock Draft
Jonathan Givony has Tyler Lydon as a top 20 pick.
I think he might be gone. I hope he values his degree.
Well, you should love your opinion then.lack of NBA athleticism, especially quickness. His limitations are hidden in the zone scheme.
I would like nothing more than to be wrong, but I don't see an NBA player.
I already stated I think he'll get drafted, even in the first round. That's the nature of the draft - there are only 3 to 5 guys max who are sure things, every other team is just hoping they get lucky. And you have to use the pick. So, yeah, he'll get drafted in the mid to late first round. But he won't get a 2nd contract and probably not have all the options exercised on his first. He's a good shooter, but other than that, his best position is as a center in an idiosyncratic college zone scheme.I watch a lot of NBA myself. Knicks. Cavs. Spurs. Warriors. You name it. I don't consider myself an NBA scout. I do know Lydon is a good player. I do know that Chad Ford said after Lydons performance against Georgetown that if he kept putting up numbers the rest of the year he could work his way into the lottery. I trust Chad Ford and Jonathan Givony more than I trust a random message board guy when it comes to projecting a players pro potential. Go to their sites if you don't believe me. The info is there for everyone to read.
I'll add that I didn't think Mal was an NBA player last year, but I was wrong. I've learned my lesson. Now Lydon could get hurt and not get drafted, but he's basically averaging 20 and 10 for us the last 6 games. I think that's going to continue and I think we need to get over the fact he may be slightly out of shape or not strong enough because an NBA training program is going to fix that, especially when his only job at that point will be basketball.