Dumas says Mali Gone

[orangenirvana]

If Mali only improves slightly or is around the same numbers as last year he goes from 7.6 mil to the league minimum or euro pay.

You're making it sound like there is zero risk in returning and he's automatically punching a lottery ticket if he stays a year and it's simply not true.

I'm not making it sound like anything. No argument here either way - just putting out what a person in his situation has to consider.

 

[dasher]

What evidence do you have to come to that conclusion? I've been nothing but ecstatic about this squads run and was nothing but pumped the entire time and gave praise to our team after our loss.

If you really believe what you just wrote I suggest you just click my user name and go through my posts, but you probably wont do that because you'll realize that you have no clue what you're talking about and you don't want to be wrong even though you 100% are.

I think it was just last night that another poster suggested you go back to the UConn board. Why would they suggest that? I wrote that the final four might improve our recruiting. Another poster disagreed saying that no 5 star was suddenly going to like us because of the final four run. I didn't say anything about 5 stars. You liked the other posters post. You really don't believe that a final four run helps recruiting? Really? And as for your agenda, I didn't say I came to that conclusion. You did. I said it seemed that you weren't that pleased when we were successful. I hope that isn't true. I know it is for some here.

 

[two3zone]

I think it was just last night that another poster suggested you go back to the UConn board. Why would they suggest that? I wrote that the final four might improve our recruiting. Another poster disagreed saying that no 5 star was suddenly going to like us because of the final four run. I didn't say anything about 5 stars. You liked the other posters post. You really don't believe that a final four run helps recruiting? Really? And as for your agenda, I didn't say I came to that conclusion. You did. I said it seemed that you weren't that pleased when we were successful. I hope that isn't true. I know it is for some here.

Nope, wrong guy..... That's 2-3zone

 

[dasher]

Nope, wrong guy... That's 2-3zone

Well, that must bug you. My bad. Sorry. It would be like someone having the name dashar.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If Malachi leaves he better be ready for the D-League.

We're at the point where the majority of rookies spend some time in the D-League. It isn't a big deal. It's a smart way to get guys more minutes.

 

[Jasoncuse]

One thing we need to consider is, what is Malachi's ceiling? Is he close to it right now, or can he get much, much better? A kid like Ennis was already near his ceiling as a freshman, and it made a ton of sense for him to strike while his iron was hot.

IMO, I think Malachi is closer to Ennis than he is McCullough or Grant, for example. Those two were still very raw when they left and could've really improved their stock. Mal can and will get more consistent, can and will improve his shooting %'s, should get stronger and fill out a bit, but he's already a very good player. Without elite athleticism or leaping ability, Malachi is probably closer to his full potential than most freshmen. That leads me to wonder that if he is going be a 1st round pick this year, he'd probably be better off leaving for that. I see the though that he could jump from 27 to 7, for example, in next year's draft. I don't see it. I could see him sneaking into the lottery next year if he really solidifies his game, say 18+ppg, 3-4 apg, 40% from 3, 45%+ from the floor, 80% from the line, and gets a little stronger, but a lot has to go right for him.

Of course, I sure hope he stays, works his tail off to be that 18-20ppg scorer, 1st team All-ACC, possible All-American and 2017 lottery pick. That's all possible, let's hope he feels the same.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Well, that must bug you. My bad. Sorry. It would be like someone having the name dashar.

:furiously registers the handle "dashar":

 

[Townie72]

So does this mean we won't be getting your lineup and minutes per game predictions just yet?

http://syracusefan.com/threads/too-early-2016-17-lineup-thread.103670/#post-1726777

I have better things to waste time on. (And as a retiree I have found ways to guiltlessly waste time on stuff no one else considers important.)

The amazing part of this is the force with which these highly, highly conditional predictions are made and the arguments that ensue.

It's like you and your wife or whatever and you going out and buying a Lotto ticket. And then spending the night arguing about what you might do with the money.

 

[Deano]

This thread is a trainwreck.

Agreed...time to get the lock put on by the Mods.

 

[urban96]

IMO it depends on if he gets invited to the combine, the workouts go well and he gets some kind of guarantee. Its no secret that Mal is a momma's boy. She played college ball and seems like she is smart. I have confidence she will steer him in the right direction.

Also, the chemistry that this current team has may be that little extra incentive he needs to come back.

 

[OttoMets]

Probably 5 years ago I was against college players getting paid but a few quotes throughout the years really changed my mind about it.

One was Napier from Uconn saying that he goes to bed hungry at times, Jalen Rose at practice getting hounded by his coach while he was worried about his mom who just had her power turned off, and then another by Richard Sherman about the grinds of being a college athlete. Wake up, eat, go to class, go to team meetings, try to get a bite to eat, watch videos, practice, eat dinner, do whatever school work before he went to bed then do the same thing the next day.

These guys have such a grind day in and day out and have to follow rules that NO other student at the University has to follow, I don't think it's right.

To be fair, Napier was, if not lying, deliberately misrepresenting his situation.

No basketball player at a top-level school is going hungry unless he chooses to; those kids have constant access to better (free) food than all of their non-athlete peers.

 

[Briancuse]

Yeah, I included that in the rundown of info a player has to weigh. It's a part of the equation. But that's not that simple and it's not all the info a player is weighing. (I'd put it as the most important for sure.)

I just think it's impossible to judge fairly. Anyone arguing like they know what player x should do, without at least knowing them, is guessing.

It's a great message board debate, but in the end it's the kids business.

No question, but its sad to see many of these kids make the wrong decision, and then regret it.

 

[TheCusian]

But from Richardson's perspective, which option is more financially advantageous: four years on a contract from 2016-2020 as the #27 overall pick, or four years on a contract from 2017-2021 as the #7 overall pick?

That's a whole lot of conjecture on both draft spots and Richardson's perspective.

 

[IthacaMatt]

First, he doesn't have to get on the court next year...or the year after. He still gets paid while he improves. Second, everyone is measured in shoes these days and he is NBA SG size. He has the ability to get his shot off and that is big. The combine will tell the story.

Dude, they changed the collective bargaining agreement a few years ago. Guaranteed money for rookies is less than it used to be and the contracts are shorter. You have to get enough court time to earn the second contract. That's where the money is these days. You have to be good enough to get that second contract.

 

[TheCusian]

Who's volunteering their personal history to be questioned and picked apart with minimal details from the time when they were 19?

 

[Knicks411]

Dude, they changed the collective bargaining agreement a few years ago. Guaranteed money for rookies is less than it used to be and the contracts are shorter. You have to get enough court time to earn the second contract. That's where the money is these days. You have to be good enough to get that second contract.

I don't think they changed the rookie scale much at all since they implemented it. (Unless you're talking about when there was no rookie scale, but that was 20 years ago) But the starting salary for the #1 pick, for instance, is 15% higher than it was even in 2012.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't think they changed the rookie scale much at all since they implemented it. (Unless you're talking about when there was no rookie scale, but that was 20 years ago) But the starting salary for the #1 pick, for instance, is 15% higher than it was even in 2012.

This article from ESPN comparing the 2005 and 2011 CBA's says that the rookie wage scale was pretty much frozen at the prior level, and on the second contract, the maximum is 4 years now instead of 5.

"New contracts
• 2005 CBA: Six years with 10.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; five years with 8 percent raises for other players. Maximum salaries are approximately 25, 30 or 35 percent of the salary cap, depending on the player's years of service.

• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.

• Who benefits? These changes provide the league with more cost control. The exception is the higher maximum salary for fifth-year players who meet certain league honors (MVP, an all-NBA team member twice, or an All-Star twice), which lets young superstars (think Derrick Rose) cash in with a bigger contract sooner.

The higher maximum salary for fifth-year players can also benefit teams. In 2006 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all signed shorter extensions (which allowed them to become free agents in three years) rather than signing on for the maximum five years. The three players timed their free agency to follow their seventh season in the league, when they became eligible for the 30 percent maximum. Allowing franchise players such as these to sign for the higher maximum sooner reduces the temptation for these players to sign shorter contracts, delaying their eventual free agency.

Contract extensions
• 2005 CBA: Players coming off their rookie scale contracts can extend for five additional seasons. All other veterans can extend for five total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contracts.

• 2011 CBA: Players coming off their rookie scale contracts can extend for four additional seasons, although the team can designate one player who is eligible for five seasons at the maximum salary. A team can have only one designated player on its roster at any time. All other veterans can extend for four total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contract. The extension in an extend-and-trade contract is limited to three total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on the current contract.

• Who benefits? The teams benefit here, just as they do with shorter free-agent contracts -- teams' future salary commitments are reduced. In addition, limiting extend-and-trade contracts to three seasons (including the seasons remaining on the player's current contract) helps reduce situations like the one the Nuggets were in last season with Carmelo Anthony."

And here is the current rookie pay scale. On 2 years are guaranteed for 1st round picks, and if you don't make the lottery, you're not really talking about very much money (certainly, it's not "life changing" money in the sense that you can retire on it). Remember that these guys are in the 35% tax bracket, plus pay agents 10-15%, plus you have a relatively expensive lifestyle to maintain.

Here are the numbers. The table didn't hold its formatting, but the first number is the 1st year salary, then 2nd year salary, 3rd year salary at the option of the club, how much of an increase that is, and how much it takes to make a qualifying offer.

2014-2015 NBA Draft Class
Pick 1st Year Salary 2nd Year Salary 3rd Year Option Salary 4th Year Option: Percentage Increased Qualifying Offer: Percentage Increase
1 $4,592,200 $4,798,900 $5,005,500 26.1% 30.0%
2 $4,108,800 $4,293,700 $4,478,600 26.2% 30.5%
3 $3,689,700 $3,855,800 $4,021,800 26.4% 31.2%
4 $3,326,700 $3,476,400 $3,626,100 26.5% 31.9%
5 $3,012,500 $3,148,100 $3,283,600 26.7% 32.6%
6 $2,736,100 $2,859,200 $2,982,400 26.8% 33.4%
7 $2,497,800 $2,610,200 $2,722,600 27.0% 34.1%
8 $2,288,200 $2,391,200 $2,494,200 27.2% 34.8%
9 $2,103,500 $2,198,100 $2,292,800 27.4% 35.5%
10 $1,998,200 $2,088,100 $2,178,000 27.5% 36.2%
11 $1,898,300 $1,983,700 $2,069,200 32.7% 36.9%
12 $1,803,400 $1,884,600 $1,965,700 37.8% 37.6%
13 $1,713,200 $1,790,300 $1,867,400 42.9% 38.3%
14 $1,627,600 $1,700,900 $1,774,100 48.1% 39.1%
15 $1,546,100 $1,615,700 $1,685,200 53.3% 39.8%
16 $1,468,900 $1,535,000 $1,601,100 53.4% 40.5%
17 $1,395,400 $1,458,200 $1,521,000 53.6% 41.2%
18 $1,325,600 $1,385,300 $1,444,900 53.8% 41.9%
19 $1,266,000 $1,322,900 $1,379,900 54.0% 42.6%
20 $1,215,300 $1,270,000 $1,324,700 54.2% 43.3%
21 $1,166,700 $1,219,200 $1,271,700 59.3% 44.1%
22 $1,120,100 $1,170,500 $1,220,900 64.5% 44.8%
23 $1,075,300 $1,123,700 $1,172,100 69.7% 45.5%
24 $1,032,200 $1,078,700 $1,125,100 74.9% 46.2%
25 $991,000 $1,035,600 $1,080,200 80.1% 46.9%
26 $958,100 $1,001,200 $1,044,300 80.3% 47.6%
27 $930,500 $972,300 $1,014,200 80.4% 48.3%
28 $924,800 $966,400 $1,008,000 80.5% 49.0%
29 $918,000 $959,400 $1,000,700 80.5% 50.0%
30 $911,400 $952,400 $993,400 80.5% 50.0%

First round picks can sign for as much as 120% and as little as 80% of the rookie scale.

2015-2016 NBA Draft Class
Pick 1st Year Salary 2nd Year Salary 3rd Year Option Salary 4th Year Option: Percentage Increased Qualifying Offer: Percentage Increase
1 $4,753,000 $4,966,800 $5,180,700 26.1% 30.0%
2 $4,252,600 $4,444,000 $4,635,300 26.2% 30.5%
3 $3,818,900 $3,990,700 $4,162,600 26.4% 31.2%
4 $3,443,100 $3,598,100 $3,753,000 26.5% 31.9%
5 $3,117,900 $3,258,200 $3,398,600 26.7% 32.6%
6 $2,831,900 $2,959,300 $3,086,800 26.8% 33.4%
7 $2,585,200 $2,701,500 $2,817,900 27.0% 34.1%
8 $2,368,300 $2,474,900 $2,581,500 27.2% 34.8%
9 $2,177,100 $2,275,000 $2,373,000 27.4% 35.5%
10 $2,068,100 $2,161,200 $2,254,200 27.5% 36.2%
11 $1,964,800 $2,053,200 $2,141,600 32.7% 36.9%
12 $1,866,500 $1,950,500 $2,034,500 37.8% 37.6%
13 $1,773,200 $1,853,000 $1,932,800 42.9% 38.3%
14 $1,684,600 $1,760,400 $1,836,200 48.1% 39.1%
15 $1,600,200 $1,672,200 $1,744,200 53.3% 39.8%
16 $1,520,300 $1,588,700 $1,657,100 53.4% 40.5%
17 $1,444,200 $1,509,200 $1,574,200 53.6% 41.2%
18 $1,372,000 $1,433,800 $1,495,500 53.8% 41.9%
19 $1,310,300 $1,369,200 $1,428,200 54.0% 42.6%
20 $1,257,800 $1,314,400 $1,371,000 54.2% 43.3%
21 $1,207,500 $1,261,800 $1,316,200 59.3% 44.1%
22 $1,159,300 $1,211,400 $1,263,600 64.5% 44.8%
23 $1,112,900 $1,163,000 $1,213,100 69.7% 45.5%
24 $1,068,400 $1,116,400 $1,164,500 74.9% 46.2%
25 $1,025,700 $1,071,800 $1,118,000 80.1% 46.9%
26 $991,600 $1,036,300 $1,080,900 80.3% 47.6%
27 $963,000 $1,006,400 $1,049,700 80.4% 48.3%
28 $957,200 $1,000,200 $1,043,300 80.5% 49.0%
29 $950,200 $992,900 $1,035,700 80.5% 50.0%
30 $943,300 $985,700 $1,028,200 80.5% 50.0%
2016-2017 NBA Draft Class
Pick 1st Year Salary 2nd Year Salary 3rd Year Option Salary 4th Year Option: Percentage Increased Qualifying Offer: Percentage Increase
1 $4,919,300 $5,140,700 $5,362,100 26.1% 30.0%
2 $4,401,400 $4,599,500 $4,797,600 26.2% 30.5%
3 $3,952,500 $4,130,400 $4,308,300 26.4% 31.2%
4 $3,563,600 $3,724,000 $3,884,400 26.5% 31.9%
5 $3,227,100 $3,372,300 $3,517,500 26.7% 32.6%
6 $2,931,000 $3,062,900 $3,194,800 26.8% 33.4%
7 $2,675,700 $2,796,100 $2,916,500 27.0% 34.1%
8 $2,451,200 $2,561,500 $2,671,800 27.2% 34.8%
9 $2,253,300 $2,354,700 $2,456,100 27.4% 35.5%
10 $2,140,500 $2,236,800 $2,333,100 27.5% 36.2%
11 $2,033,500 $2,125,000 $2,216,500 32.7% 36.9%
12 $1,931,900 $2,018,800 $2,105,700 37.8% 37.6%
13 $1,835,200 $1,917,800 $2,000,400 42.9% 38.3%
14 $1,743,500 $1,822,000 $1,900,500 48.1% 39.1%
15 $1,656,200 $1,730,700 $1,805,300 53.3% 39.8%
16 $1,573,500 $1,644,300 $1,715,100 53.4% 40.5%
17 $1,494,800 $1,562,000 $1,629,300 53.6% 41.2%
18 $1,420,100 $1,484,000 $1,547,900 53.8% 41.9%
19 $1,356,100 $1,417,200 $1,478,200 54.0% 42.6%
20 $1,301,900 $1,360,400 $1,419,000 54.2% 43.3%
21 $1,249,800 $1,306,000 $1,362,200 59.3% 44.1%
22 $1,199,900 $1,253,800 $1,307,800 64.5% 44.8%
23 $1,151,900 $1,203,700 $1,255,600 69.7% 45.5%
24 $1,105,800 $1,155,500 $1,205,300 74.9% 46.2%
25 $1,061,600 $1,109,300 $1,157,100 80.1% 46.9%
26 $1,026,300 $1,072,500 $1,118,700 80.3% 47.6%
27 $996,700 $1,041,600 $1,086,400 80.4% 48.3%
28 $990,700 $1,035,200 $1,079,800 80.5% 49.0%
29 $983,400 $1,027,700 $1,071,900 80.5% 50.0%
30 $976,300 $1,020,200 $1,064,200 80.5% 50.0%

 

[Knicks411]

The actual salaries are going up, like I said, it's 15% higher than it was in 2012.

http://www.cbafaq.com/scale2011.htm
A big thing is they won't be increasing by as much as the cap itself in the next few years, so they will be even more valuable than normal

Also consider this a shoutout for the salary cap FAQ site. So good.

 

[orangenirvana]

That's a whole lot of conjecture on both draft spots and Richardson's perspective.

Yeah, no kidding. Welcome to syracusefan.com. That's what we do here.

 

[Ringostar57]

No one is going to draft him. Please explain where all this draft talk is coming from. NBA scouts and front offices aren't even mentioning him. Infact for example, Gbinije will be lucky to go at the bottom of the second round if at all. Richardson is on no one's list or radar. There is nothing beyond the second round. This is all silly. Even if they went 4 rounds......not in the top 150. Lydon is ...I think CBS had him 116. But no Richardson, nothing nada zip.

 

[two3zone]

No one is going to draft him. Please explain where all this draft talk is coming from. NBA scouts and front offices aren't even mentioning him. Infact Gbinije will be lucky to go at the bottom of the second round if at all. Richardson is on no one's list or radar. This is all silly.

Your post is silly. He's obviously being noticed. He's been scouted all year playing for a program with high visibility and made it to the final four. He is surely noticed.

 

[EnnisEnvy]

I just don't see Mal being in the top 50 players when you take into consideration the 7-8 international players who are going to get drafted.

 

[HOFCeluck]

No one is going to draft him. Please explain where all this draft talk is coming from. NBA scouts and front offices aren't even mentioning him. Infact for example, Gbinije will be lucky to go at the bottom of the second round if at all. Richardson is on no one's list or radar. There is nothing beyond the second round. This is all silly. Even if they went 4 rounds...not in the top 150. Lydon is ...I think CBS had him 116. But no Richardson, nothing nada zip.

Even if this was true, he's going to be noticed when he works out.

 

[pearl31]

Even if this was true, he's going to be noticed when he works out.

yep and that's what I'm really curious about and what will ultimately dictate whether he stays or goes - how he measures/performs vs the other shooting-guard prospects in a combine setting

 

[Ringostar57]

I never said he wasn't noticed. I said he wasn't mentioned. Could be what Pearl 31 just said. We will know after he works out. Until then who knows? He shouldln't go near an agent until he has gotten feedback from whomever he worked out for. Then it's up to him.