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[CuseOnly]

I just read where you claimed you didnt attack dr tucker and then questioned his qualifications in the next sentence. Lol.

I didn't question his qualifications as a doctor, I questioned his qualifications as it relates to concussions. And I am correct, he is not a neurologist nor an expert on concussions. He shouldn't be disqualifying players for CTE or concussion related issues.

That should be done by an expert in the field.

I don't ask a Neurologist to diagnose something that relates to the heart, that's what a Cardiologist is for.

How hard is it for you to understand that essentially that is what is being done at SU and it shouldn't happen and it is hurting the program and ending kids careers prematurely.

 

[Toga]

I didn't question his qualifications as a doctor, I questioned his qualifications as it relates to concussions. And I am correct, he is not a neurologist nor an expert on concussions. He shouldn't be disqualifying players for CTE or concussion related issues.

That should be done by an expert in the field.

I don't ask a Neurologist to diagnose something that relates to the heart, that's what a Cardiologist is for.

How hard is it for you to understand that essentially that is what is being done at SU and it shouldn't happen and it is hurting the program and ending kids careers prematurely.

This is so logical it hurts.

 

[CuseOnly]

This is so logical it hurts.

The worst part about it is that this is the kind of stuff that coaches talk about when they are here and after they leave.

It also makes SU look like a second rate chump program. The link I provided shows what Alabama's protocol is. Written by a professional and specifically mentions experts in the field and Neurologists, etc.

 

[Jake]

I didn't question his qualifications as a doctor, I questioned his qualifications as it relates to concussions. And I am correct, he is not a neurologist nor an expert on concussions. He shouldn't be disqualifying players for CTE or concussion related issues. That should be done by an expert in the field. I don't ask a Neurologist to diagnose something that relates to the heart, that's what a Cardiologist is for. How hard is it for you to understand that essentially that is what is being done at SU and it shouldn't happen and it is hurting the program and ending kids careers prematurely.

I find it nearly impossible to believe that a university facing a multimillion dollar concussion lawsuit is currently not consulting a specialist when making decisions on who should or shouldn't see the field after suffering a head injury.

I would not take the word of a DQ'd athlete as gospel on the current process.

 

[CuseOnly]

I find it nearly impossible to believe that a university facing a multimillion dollar concussion lawsuit is currently not consulting a specialist when making decisions on who should or shouldn't see the field after suffering a head injury.

I would not take the word of a DQ'd athlete as gospel on the current process.

Maybe but when several say the same thing...and add in that every expert has been willing to talk to reporters on the issue of protocols and best practices, etc. not a peep from Tucker. First question from anyone worth their salt as a reporter would be "Do you consult with experts in the field of neurology, CTE and concussion institutes to diagnose and disqualify kids from playing football?" I would guess that they don't want him answering those types of questions publicly or otherwise.

 

[jgeorge322]

Maybe but when several say the same thing...and add in that every expert has been willing to talk to reporters on the issue of protocols and best practices, etc. not a peep from Tucker. First question from anyone worth their salt as a reporter would be "Do you consult with experts in the field of neurology, CTE and concussion institutes to diagnose and disqualify kids from playing football?" I would guess that they don't want him answering those types of questions publicly or otherwise.

But you seem sooo certain. Your point about making a team physician available for interviews is laughable. The only transparency owed here is to the players and their families.

 

[CuseOnly]

But you seem sooo certain. Your point about making a team physician available for interviews is laughable. The only transparency owed here is to the players and their families.

Why can every expert be quoted and talk about it in articles but our resident expert, the guy DQ'ing players cannot? Nobody is going to ask him for specific player information, just like none of the other experts have been asked for that info.

Discussing a process and his qualifications to execute that process is not against the law. There were 4 EXPERTS on concussions quoted int he Syracuse.com article but whenever Tucker is asked to speak we get this "Syracuse declined to make Tucker available or give permission to speak with the media."

 

[PAcuse]

Why can every expert be quoted and talk about it in articles but our resident expert, the guy DQ'ing players cannot? Nobody is going to ask him for specific player information, just like none of the other experts have been asked for that info.

Discussing a process and his qualifications to execute that process is not against the law. There were 4 EXPERTS on concussions quoted int he Syracuse.com article but whenever Tucker is asked to speak we get this "Syracuse declined to make Tucker available or give permission to speak with the media."

Why would the University allow someone to talk about something so personal and sensitive to young men? The only outcome would be opening a can of worms they would never want in the first place. I for one am happy the University is looking out for the kids and could care less if Dr. Tucker is made available to talk. Normal, healthy life is much much more important then the game of football.

 

[jgeorge322]

Why would the University allow someone to talk about something so personal and sensitive to young men? The only outcome would be opening a can of worms they would never want in the first place. I for one am happy the University is looking out for the kids and could care less if Dr. Tucker is made available to talk. Normal, healthy life is much much more important then the game of football.

Easy with all that common sense.

 

[oldpinepoint]

I find it nearly impossible to believe that a university facing a multimillion dollar concussion lawsuit is currently not consulting a specialist when making decisions on who should or shouldn't see the field after suffering a head injury.

I would not take the word of a DQ'd athlete as gospel on the current process.

Wasn't the lawsuit brought on recently? My guess is the policy changed after the lawsuit was brought on. Might have been different last year.

 

[Moontan]

Why can every expert be quoted and talk about it in articles but our resident expert, the guy DQ'ing players cannot? Nobody is going to ask him for specific player information, just like none of the other experts have been asked for that info.

I call BS on that. As soon as Bailey, Mink, Carlson get 2 questions into they will start asking about specific players. It will look bad.

With the system likely in a process of review & flux, this just isn't a good time.

It's fine to ask subject matter expert about hypothetical situations, but... when it comes to SU football, one of the people involved with DQ decisions and SMG there are no hypotheticals (which would not map to specific cases) are there?

 

[hungrychuck]

I call BS on that. As soon as Bailey, Mink, Carlson get 2 questions into they will start asking about specific players. It will look bad.

With the system likely in a process of review & flux, this just isn't a good time.

It's fine to ask subject matter expert about hypothetical situations, but... when it comes to SU football, one of the people involved with DQ decisions and SMG there are no hypotheticals (which would not map to specific cases) are there?

This is exactly right. And BTW, it's exactly what they should be doing in that situation.

 

[bcubs9497]

Why can every expert be quoted and talk about it in articles but our resident expert, the guy DQ'ing players cannot? Nobody is going to ask him for specific player information, just like none of the other experts have been asked for that info.

Discussing a process and his qualifications to execute that process is not against the law. There were 4 EXPERTS on concussions quoted int he Syracuse.com article but whenever Tucker is asked to speak we get this "Syracuse declined to make Tucker available or give permission to speak with the media."

Pretty sure that when a player is DQ'ed for medical reasons, the football staff and medical personnel can't say anything concerning those medical reasons because of HIPAA.

 

[CuseOnly]

Pretty sure that when a player is DQ'ed for medical reasons, the football staff and medical personnel can't say anything concerning those medical reasons because of HIPAA.

I totally understand that, not asking for anything player specific.

 

[dollarbill44]

Why would the University allow someone to talk about something so personal and sensitive to young men? The only outcome would be opening a can of worms they would never want in the first place. I for one am happy the University is looking out for the kids and could care less if Dr. Tucker is made available to talk. Normal, healthy life is much much more important then the game of football.

Your last sentence, which I have put in bold, has nothing to do with SU being open about their concussion protocol and what type of doctors are consulted. That is a patient-doctor relationship and confidentiality issue, not a university policy issue. SU can be clear about it's protocols while still maintaining the privacy of individuals. Those aren't mutually exclusive. By being opaque, it leads to speculation that they aren't doing something that is widely accepted practice in the business and is in use by other college athletic departments. Without SU being open, how are you so sure that the University is, in fact, looking out for the kids?

Dr. Tucker might be sending these kids for neurology consults and using that knowledge when deciding, but we don't know that's what is happening. He is mum and SU is mum. So, we are left to speculate.

 

[dollarbill44]

I call BS on that. As soon as Bailey, Mink, Carlson get 2 questions into they will start asking about specific players. It will look bad.

With the system likely in a process of review & flux, this just isn't a good time.

It's fine to ask subject matter expert about hypothetical situations, but... when it comes to SU football, one of the people involved with DQ decisions and SMG there are no hypotheticals (which would not map to specific cases) are there?

It's pretty easy to discuss protocols and then say, "I can't discuss individual cases with you due to HIPAA" if they ask those questions. It also doesn't have to be an open Q&A. The protocol can be released in a clearly worded statement. It shouldn't be a secret, really.

I can imagine this being used in negative recruiting against us.

 

[007]

It's pretty easy to discuss protocols and then say, "I can't discuss individual cases with you due to HIPAA" if they ask those questions. It also doesn't have to be an open Q&A. The protocol can be released in a clearly worded statement. It shouldn't be a secret, really.

I can imagine this being used in negative recruiting against us.

It's not a "secret;" it's published and readily available.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/concussionpolicySyracuse2015.pdf

 

[blizz]

The worst part about it is that this is the kind of stuff that coaches talk about when they are here and after they leave.

It also makes SU look like a second rate chump program. The link I provided shows what Alabama's protocol is. Written by a professional and specifically mentions experts in the field and Neurologists, etc.

How dare you! And then to mention Alabama...as if we should do anything but sneer, a Southern school...

 

[PAcuse]

Your last sentence, which I have put in bold, has nothing to do with SU being open about their concussion protocol and what type of doctors are consulted. That is a patient-doctor relationship and confidentiality issue, not a university policy issue. SU can be clear about it's protocols while still maintaining the privacy of individuals. Those aren't mutually exclusive. By being opaque, it leads to speculation that they aren't doing something that is widely accepted practice in the business and is in use by other college athletic departments. Without SU being open, how are you so sure that the University is, in fact, looking out for the kids?

Dr. Tucker might be sending these kids for neurology consults and using that knowledge when deciding, but we don't know that's what is happening. He is mum and SU is mum. So, we are left to speculate.

That last line was put it as a statement form me and has noting to do with SU. A bunch of grow men/women hand wringing non stop about how many concussions a young man has is pathetic and SU has to be opaque with these sorts of things or it invites lawsuits.
I have no issue with people discuss what the policy is or how it might be improved, but first and foremost it should always be the young mans long term health first, who cares what info SU gives us we really are not important to the situation.
(just so we are clear none of this is a personal attack on you, just my thoughts)

 

[bcubs9497]

Concerning Dr Tucker. Sure, he's an OB/GYN. I can tell you, with certainty, that he's not the one who diagnosed/treated/whatever Steven. I'm willing to bet that concussions and other stuff is handled by doctors with the know-how to do so.

 

[jgeorge322]

Concerning Dr Tucker. Sure, he's an OB/GYN. I can tell you, with certainty, that he's not the one who diagnosed/treated/whatever Steven. I'm willing to bet that concussions and other stuff is handled by doctors with the know-how to do so.

stop it with that common sense.

 

[rocklloyd]

Concerning Dr Tucker. Sure, he's an OB/GYN. I can tell you, with certainty, that he's not the one who diagnosed/treated/whatever Steven. I'm willing to bet that concussions and other stuff is handled by doctors with the know-how to do so.

some sanity brought to discussion.

 

[FAL]

some sanity brought to discussion.

Sanity? If I want sanity, I'll go to the Syracuse.com comment sections.:bat:

 

[cuseincincy]

Something else I hadn't thought of but that would make Dino a complete liar which I don't believe he is.

That may be the most naive statement ever posted on this board. Dino is a football coach. Football coaches do not tell the truth...hardly ever. If a football coach does not think the fans or media have a need to know something they will tell them anything just to get them to move on. Not telling the truth about their team and players is so ingrained in them they don't even think of it as lying.

 

[Crusty]

I agree that I'd be elated if he produced those numbers against a top team but even our starting QB couldn't do that.

Mahoney has come into games and been unable to hit the side of a bus. He had a few of those yesterday, typically throwing too high, but he also had some great long throws and an overall good game in which he appeared to grow more confident. He looked good and I don't see the point of taking that away from him.

And while Pitt is a low rated disaster on pass defense they were good enough to beat the number two team in the country on the road. So, they're bad but somewhere in there are some players and schemes that can deliver results when needed.

Certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but perspective is useful so as to avoid unrealistic expectations. Fans keep boosting him up and then tearing him down because they don't take the time to understand what is really going on. Personality, I think it says more about the system than anything else.

I think if ED had played we might actually have won that game.