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ESPN alert just said Babers playing 2 QBs

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Agreed and that is all Dino was really saying, I do agree with him but whether it happens or not remains to be seen. Any coach would be preparing for both anyway, it's all just coach speak.

I do expect both to play though but even if they weren't Dino would be saying the same. Shrader hasn't take a game snap in well in 18 months
I'm not too worried about the 18 month gap between game snaps. That's also the case for every QB that redshirted prior to the 4 game rule, and those guys didn't have the benefit of college experience before the gap. If he has the goods, the break won't hurt.
 
Shrader has the ability to improvise and make things happen with his legs. It's hard to showcase those skills in practice.
Tommy needs to show that the skills that have won him the starting job translate to live game action.

Bottom line. The competition is still open
 
Little worried, didn't he say he wanted one guy to run with the job and not play two? Then again this shows he's not married to TD that much
not worried at all. What this means is that in his loyalty to TD and to the team chemistry he KNOWS he need give TD the starting nod. What it also means is Schrader is better but will have to bide his time/show what he has in a two qb system for a while. And if/when TD falters he'll be the number one man. Keeps team chemistry, he doesnt jump over TD until he earns it on the field, thus, earning the respect of his teammates who will be ok with the situation in that scenario instead of being anointed the starter over an experienced well liked well respected kid who has put in his time.

Anyone not concerned with such issues has either never played the game, coached or both, nor likely been successful in a team sport, nor understands the team dynamics of college sports where it is NOT like the NFL. These type issues require nuance and can make or break a team where loyalty both to team and individuals in some cases absolutely matters. Yes loyalty. Tough concept for some to grasp.

So with all that, not worried at this point. That said If by the 5th game we have the same situation without a clear number one, then I'm worried my 8-4 to 6-6 type prediction is in jeopardy and we're on our way to another long season. Here's Hoping for the best.
 
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nothing in his statement means he is sharing the job. it could be so. but teams play 2 qbs all the time and one is still the clear leader. lets see it play out, because we need to have a real direction by the time Liberty rolls into the dome. maybe both are playing great and sharing the job, maybe both are up and down and sharing the job., maybe one is throwing well and the other can run and sharing the job.

or maybe he is trying to push one to play even better and take the job over.
I get it, I do. Personally, I'm not a fan of 2 QBs playing, other than in incredibly limited and specific circumstances (e.g. Taysom Hill getting snaps around the goal line in place of Drew Brees). Someone needs to seize the job early in the season, or I suspect things aren't going to go well.
 
I get it, I do. Personally, I'm not a fan of 2 QBs playing, other than in incredibly limited and specific circumstances (e.g. Taysom Hill getting snaps around the goal line in place of Drew Brees). Someone needs to seize the job early in the season, or I suspect things aren't going to go well.
the big unknown.. I am leaning towards how the oline is doing. the better they are the more TD probably plays.
 
I get it, I do. Personally, I'm not a fan of 2 QBs playing, other than in incredibly limited and specific circumstances (e.g. Taysom Hill getting snaps around the goal line in place of Drew Brees). Someone needs to seize the job early in the season, or I suspect things aren't going to go well.

Full agreement. If you have two QBs, you have no QBs.

We need a QB1 and a QB1 quickly. I get that Dino needs to see what happens when the lights come on, but we need to get to a full time starter asap.
 
I get it, I do. Personally, I'm not a fan of 2 QBs playing, other than in incredibly limited and specific circumstances (e.g. Taysom Hill getting snaps around the goal line in place of Drew Brees). Someone needs to seize the job early in the season, or I suspect things aren't going to go well.
Maybe a Taysom Hill role is exactly what Shrader's snaps will look like?
 
Full agreement. If you have two QBs, you have no QBs.

We need a QB1 and a QB1 quickly. I get that Dino needs to see what happens when the lights come on, but we need to get to a full time starter asap.
The thing about giving 2 QBs meaningful snaps in a game is that I rarely see a coach be able to execute it well. Too often they stick to some rigid pre-game plan, where they replace the "starter" after a certain number of series with the other guy. How often do we see an O that's running pretty well come to a screeching halt when that happens? Or the opposite, the replacement jump starts a languishing O, but then gets benched a couple series later because that was the plan.

I'm not going to overreact, I suspect this is equal parts Dino just saying something in the name of strategy, and him genuinely believing that he needs to see these guys in live game action to properly determine the starter.

This approach, in and of itself, isn't anything to be preemptively angry about. I just have concerns about how Dino will actually execute it against Ohio.
 
I wonder if Dino told Shrader he would play. In the modern era with people changing schools so rapidly, you don't want to get a label as not being truthful so he gives him some legit snaps. Or the transfer may be looking excellent and is pushing Tommy who I think Dino really wants to win the job outright but knows his back is up against it.

either way put me in the group that says Co-QB's means no QB's.
 
This reminds me so much of August 2018...

Remember the smoke signals from camp that year were that TD was going to unseat ED by some point in the year. At the time, there was some real drama on here regarding that.

In hindsight, it was laughable. We saw what happened in the WMU game when ED was replaced with TD.
 
This reminds me so much of August 2018...

Remember the smoke signals from camp that year were that TD was going to unseat ED by some point in the year. At the time, there was some real drama on here regarding that.

In hindsight, it was laughable. We saw what happened in the WMU game when ED was replaced with TD.
But that wasn’t the end of the story. ED was QB1, then got an owie vs FSU and Tommy did enough for us to win. Then when ED was having a bad day vs UNC, Tommy won us the game and created a bye week of anxiety that seemed to light up EDs competitive nature and the rest is history. We don’t win 10 without them both.

Usually, 2 QBs is bad. But if the camp competition hasn’t figured stuff out, the season can still work.
 
I wonder if Dino told Shrader he would play. In the modern era with people changing schools so rapidly, you don't want to get a label as not being truthful so he gives him some legit snaps. Or the transfer may be looking excellent and is pushing Tommy who I think Dino really wants to win the job outright but knows his back is up against it.

either way put me in the group that says Co-QB's means no QB's.
No Shrader has earned a shot with his play.
 
You are most likely going to need them both throughout the year. Skill sets very different but even if one is out playing the other you will most likely see them both getting meaningful snaps versus ACC opponents at some point. I think they will both be good but neither great nor pull away from the other
 
Both guys are competing hard except some people are under the assumption that TD isnt battling back. They think he's the same player he was last year. Totally exclude the possibility of any development or growth. Some assume Shrader's legs automatically makes him better at this point. There's so many things you have to consider when making these decisions. The new guy is always the savior. I look forward to the ongoing competition.
 
my money is on shrader taking majority of snaps during the season.
Agree, I have two seasons of TD starting and for the most part not being able to move the ball consistently. ( yep , it wasn’t all his fault , especially with the Covid depleted line.). Based on actual game observation, and that’s all I have to go on. I have one unproven vs one that’s struggled. Would be happy to eat crow.
 
Heres my issue. You close down pretty much all access to practice. Don’t give us any details because you don’t want things leaking out into the media. AND THEN YOU GO AND GIVE AWAY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY 2 QB’s!!!!!

This was the voice in my head as I read this post.

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Here's what I think:
Tommy starts because he has seniority and a slight edge heading out of camp. But Shrader, even though a little behind, is on the trajectory to catch up in a few weeks.

This is actually a good situation to have. We have 2 capable starters that have separated themselves from the pack.

Usually when you use 2 QB's it's because neither one has distinguished themselves as starting material. That doesn't seem to be the case here
 
Both guys are competing hard except some people are under the assumption that TD isnt battling back. They think he's the same player he was last year. Totally exclude the possibility of any development or growth. Some assume Shrader's legs automatically makes him better at this point. There's so many things you have to consider when making these decisions. The new guy is always the savior. I look forward to the ongoing competition.
Good points, per usual. I very much look forward to seeing how they both perform in live action -when neither is wearing a no contact jersey. Interestingly, that would be for opposite reasons. Has TD improved his pocket presence, reads, decision making, and play making when the rush is live? Does GS's physicality and willingness to run through people to extend plays make him the better overall playmaker in this offense? As you said, there are many factors to consider. The above would be among the most important to me.

It seems that the "separation" between the QBs DB was talking about earlier, assuming he was referring to Devito/Shrader, is no longer as clear following the scrimmages. Or, he is just blowing smoke. I think the reality is probably somewhere in between.
 
Good points, per usual. I very much look forward to seeing how they both perform in live action -when neither is wearing a no contact jersey. Interestingly, that would be for opposite reasons. Has TD improved his pocket presence, reads, decision making, and play making when the rush is live? Does GS's physicality and willingness to run through people to extend plays make him the better overall playmaker in this offense? As you said, there are many factors to consider. The above would be among the most important to me.

It seems that the "separation" between the QBs DB was talking about earlier, assuming he was referring to Devito/Shrader, is no longer as clear following the scrimmages. Or, he is just blowing smoke. I think the reality is probably somewhere in between.
I think the separation Dino was referring to was Devito and Shrader separating themselves from the rest of the QB room
 

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