ESPN alert just said Babers playing 2 QBs

[Cuseregular]

Respectfully I disagree.

guys like you convinced me TD should not be a D1 QB. So if that’s the case, what are we doing here? What’s the point of ‘playing the seniors’ to start the year?

If he sucks that bad, he would not be well liked and respected. The team wouldve found a nice way to feeeze him out.

I don’t know what the hell is going on and I don’t think dino does either.

Cuse has been a National joke for football for 2 long and announcing we have 2 QBs feeds that fire.

I’m embarrassed.

I get that last part like (Picture of the movie “clueless“), like totally. I really do.

Anyone who says TD can’t be a Division I quarterback given the right circumstances is nuts. Certainly has the arm strength, but the key is “given the right circumstances“.

Those circumstances, meaning a solid top 20 offensive line here year in and year out, those circumstances just won’t happen here with any regularity. No read back through my posting history ad I’ve always said the same thing, this guy needs to be able to sit back and dink and dunk, throw the intermediates and throw the flys without the fear of getting crushed most plays. Simply not our reality, again with any regularity. He’s too small to absorb the punishment, too lacking in quickness to get out of trouble consistently, unable to create when things break down.

GS has all those qualities while lacking in The arm department much in the way Eric Dungey did. But good enough in the arm department, and dynamic enough in the other departments mentioned above to be the better of the two is what I think is going to play out.

TD will have his chance, has earned the opportunity to have that chance and if he’s evolved and grown in every respect i’ll be happy to eat crow on this. He’s respected, because he’s taken a punishment like a warrior, has certainly shown ability, his teammates know he hasn’t had enough help and by all accounts is a good dude/well liked.

It’s not a matter of him sucking THAT bad nor a lack of respect to necessitate the need to freeze him out, but everybody wants to win. So you give him a shot, but if it doesn’t happen everybody will be fine with giving the new guy shot to see if he can do it.

If not well then we’re flucked to deal with another long season.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Maybe I’m mistaken, I don’t think I am…but I have often read how Tommy should not be out there, doesn’t have ‘it’, is overmatched, locks in, can’t check down, can’t run, can’t make a precise pass, 7 on 7 king etc.

maybe 1 can be all those and not be a D1 QB, I don’t believe so.

And people most certainly have posted that very point.

im sure many will line up and take ownership of it.

 

[upperdeck]

I think we see the starter get some rope. and it wont be not scoring thats the issue it will be is the offense functioning.. We need to run a little, run some play action and block enough that some throws have time to develop.. if none of that is happening how long does he let it go before making a change? up or down at the half doesnt matter as much as is there any flow. but I think there is a chance we can got 3-4 deep at QB and have some offense this yr if the oline plays better

 

[money3189]

Good points, per usual. I very much look forward to seeing how they both perform in live action -when neither is wearing a no contact jersey. Interestingly, that would be for opposite reasons. Has TD improved his pocket presence, reads, decision making, and play making when the rush is live? Does GS's physicality and willingness to run through people to extend plays make him the better overall playmaker in this offense? As you said, there are many factors to consider. The above would be among the most important to me.

It seems that the "separation" between the QBs DB was talking about earlier, assuming he was referring to Devito/Shrader, is no longer as clear following the scrimmages. Or, he is just blowing smoke. I think the reality is probably somewhere in between.

Agree

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

It’s an important conversation. Im glad we’re having it.

Thanks Stu!

 

[TheCusian]

Maybe I’m mistaken, I don’t think I am…but I have often read how Tommy should not be out there, doesn’t have ‘it’, is overmatched, locks in, can’t check down, can’t run, can’t make a precise pass, 7 on 7 king etc.

maybe 1 can be all those and not be a D1 QB, I don’t believe so.

And people most certainly have posted that very point.

im sure many will line up and take ownership of it.

That was the Rutgers board

 

[KaiserUEO]

That was the Rutgers board

no sir.

it was right here.

 

[omg_cuse_rules]

I feel like the offense will be a mess (at least the first couple games)

 

[Apdaly]

I honestly think this is more praise of shrader than an indictment of devito. I’m guessing devito still is the starter and gets the lions share of the series in the Ohio game. Everything from there on out will be based on production. I think babers knows what he has athletically in shrader and wants to see how it looks against another team. Also keeps tommy looking over his shoulder can’t be complacent. If by the end of the liberty game we don’t have an idea of who is getting the most reps going forward that’s when I will be nervous.
my opinion is Either shrader wins it out right. Or devito proves what he does in camp is what he can do in games. My only caveat is I do still expect shrader to have some packages if devito holds him off. Goal line or short yardage type stuff. Similar to Clayton Welch two years ago.

 

[Finwad32]

I don’t think GS lacks any arm strength… haven’t seen enough to comment on accuracy.

We know TD, hopefully he’s settled.

 

[Crusty]

I have no idea how this will play out but it will surely be interesting!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I have no idea how this will play out but it will surely be interesting!

Yup, and I'll take it.

 

[AngryOtto]

Just really looking forward to the season starting.
Setting low expectations and see how it goes.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

I honestly think this is more praise of shrader than an indictment of devito.

I think "indictment" might be too strong a word but it is telling that the QB who started the past two years didn't go into the summer as "the guy" and apparently has not completely established himself as "the guy" in preseason. Truthfully, I had thought that he would.

In the past Dino has said that he doesn't like the idea of going into the season without having a QB be "the guy". So clearly, Dino has been forced to do something that he has previously not wanted to do. Perhaps the cream will rise to the top in live action and one guy will secure his 60 minutes per game. If not, we will have a good old fashioned QB controversy on our hands.

 

[baggerbob]

I think "indictment" might be too strong a word but it is telling that the QB who started the past two years didn't go into the summer as "the guy" and apparently has not completely established himself as "the guy" in preseason. Truthfully, I had thought that he would.

In the past Dino has said that he doesn't like the idea of going into the season without having a QB be "the guy". So clearly, Dino has been forced to do something that he has previously not wanted to do. Perhaps the cream will rise to the top in live action and one guy will secure his 60 minutes per game. If not, we will have a good old fashioned QB controversy on our hands.

Just want a QB who if a play is called, and he looks at the defense and sees it won't work, will check down into something else.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think "indictment" might be too strong a word but it is telling that the QB who started the past two years didn't go into the summer as "the guy" and apparently has not completely established himself as "the guy" in preseason. Truthfully, I had thought that he would.

In the past Dino has said that he doesn't like the idea of going into the season without having a QB be "the guy". So clearly, Dino has been forced to do something that he has previously not wanted to do. Perhaps the cream will rise to the top in live action and one guy will secure his 60 minutes per game. If not, we will have a good old fashioned QB controversy on our hands.

I think it's possible that Dino has realized he's been rigid on some things and with his back against the wall he can flex a little more.

 

[TheCusian]

I think "indictment" might be too strong a word but it is telling that the QB who started the past two years didn't go into the summer as "the guy" and apparently has not completely established himself as "the guy" in preseason. Truthfully, I had thought that he would.

In the past Dino has said that he doesn't like the idea of going into the season without having a QB be "the guy". So clearly, Dino has been forced to do something that he has previously not wanted to do. Perhaps the cream will rise to the top in live action and one guy will secure his 60 minutes per game. If not, we will have a good old fashioned QB controversy on our hands.

I think the board has it right and is largely in line with what Dino thinks re: his actions to date.

The kid is a super talented passer, but has other issues that seem to make him a sub-par QB to date. I think it's possible to fix those things and am still hoping he will. But we can't have another season where he gets shell shocked and is ineffective, ultimately hurt and we don't have anything behind him. Shrader puts the pressure on for him to improve. Dino and everyone here wants to win first, see DeVito overcome whatever is plaguing him second.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think "indictment" might be too strong a word but it is telling that the QB who started the past two years didn't go into the summer as "the guy" and apparently has not completely established himself as "the guy" in preseason. Truthfully, I had thought that he would.

In the past Dino has said that he doesn't like the idea of going into the season without having a QB be "the guy". So clearly, Dino has been forced to do something that he has previously not wanted to do. Perhaps the cream will rise to the top in live action and one guy will secure his 60 minutes per game. If not, we will have a good old fashioned QB controversy on our hands.

It is not too strong. This is his 5th year. He was a highly rated recruit. He was hand picked for this system. We should be talking about an all ACC year and not who is the starter.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

It is not too strong. This is his 5th year. He was a highly rated recruit. He was hand picked for this system. We should be talking about an all ACC year and not who is the starter.

Oh, I totally agree with every word.

I think a lot of fans fell in love with Tommy's arm because that type of QB is not the type we usually recruit. I have to say, though, that every weekend I watch games and see guys who make the same throws as Tommy. Many are not stars. Some, I have never heard of. However, they have arm strength. They also have other things: good field vision, the ability to buy time when the pocket breaks down, and the willingness to thread the needle in situations where guys aren't wide open.

In his 5th year we should be seeing that as well. As you say, there shouldn't even be a discussion of who the QB is.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

I think the board has it right and is largely in line with what Dino thinks re: his actions to date.

The kid is a super talented passer, but has other issues that seem to make him a sub-par QB to date. I think it's possible to fix those things and am still hoping he will. But we can't have another season where he gets shell shocked and is ineffective, ultimately hurt and we don't have anything behind him. Shrader puts the pressure on for him to improve. Dino and everyone here wants to win first, see DeVito overcome whatever is plaguing him second.

I would like to think that Tommy puts the pressure on himself to improve but I am starting to wonder if, in year 5, it is going to happen. You are dead right though; we can't have another season where, for one reason or another, he is ineffective. It is also nice to know that (pending what we see on the field) we have someone behind him...or that we have Tommy behind Shrader. Either one.

I just want somebody to seize the job and make our opponents pay. If it is either guy, I'm 100% on board with whomever emerges. If we can roll Otto the Orange out there and have him be effective, that works too. Whatever it takes.

 

[CousCuse]

Is the portal closed yet?

 

[rhcuse]

Is the portal closed yet?

No, you still have time to enter.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Just really looking forward to the season starting.
Setting low expectations and see how it goes.

I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

 

[CousCuse]

No, you still have time to enter.

Shrader didn't come here to get jerked around.

 

[orangepassion]

I'm guessing Devito's been playing fine, but Dino has seen it before at practice and wants to see it in the games before committing to him, as he should.