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Everybody still on board with the new transfer rule?

That isn't what is happening. This isn't just kids transferring because they aren't playing enough. This is kids that are stars transferring to bigger and better schools. The Northeastern kid yesterday that transferred to Michigan State, the Northeastern coach brought this kid in when I imagine Michigan State weren't interested. Helped coach him up and now he transfers to Michigan State as he says they called him every day. Let's not think this is all Woody Newtons leaving to get a shot at PT. It isn't. The G-town center was their best player. As I said, it is the right thing to do. But the fun in college basketball is rooting for your kids for years. And rooting against the kids from G-town or UConn for years. That is leaving the sport and it is bad for the fans.
The experience has already changed. Even since the 2010-12 run. Dolezaj is a rare commodity. Four-year players don’t come around. Wish we could have paired him with a better center and allowed him to play his natural position the last two years. Indictment on the staff in a big way. And don’t tell me bad luck with Sidibe.
 
If you have an issue with the benefits colleges athletes get right now and the benefits that they are in line to get in the near future then stop watching. They get those benefits because of the number of people who watch them play.

So if you really think it’s wrong then stop being part of the problem that you think exists.
 
The experience has already changed. Even since the 2010-12 run. Dolezaj is a rare commodity. Four-year players don’t come around. Wish we could have paired him with a better center and allowed him to play his natural position the last two years. Indictment on the staff in a big way. And don’t tell me bad luck with Sidibe.
No team can plan for their starting center being injured and out for they year 4 minutes in to the season. I wish he could have played the 4 as well.
 
That isn't what is happening. This isn't just kids transferring because they aren't playing enough. This is kids that are stars transferring to bigger and better schools. The Northeastern kid yesterday that transferred to Michigan State, the Northeastern coach brought this kid in when I imagine Michigan State weren't interested. Helped coach him up and now he transfers to Michigan State as he says they called him every day. Let's not think this is all Woody Newtons leaving to get a shot at PT. It isn't. The G-town center was their best player. As I said, it is the right thing to do. But the fun in college basketball is rooting for your kids for years. And rooting against the kids from G-town or UConn for years. That is leaving the sport and it is bad for the fans.
It’s a continuation of one and done. It destabilizes programs, College bball is going through some convulsions, that’s for sure!
 
Because this is literally turning into open gym night at the local Elementary school.
It’s not good. The NCAA as usual is asleep at the wheel and refuses to do what’s best for the sport. Paying players and NIL should be a priority. But the NCAA is so freakin desperate to hold on to their amateurism sham that they’re wiling to give up anything, including sensible rules that promote program stability and hold back chaos, prevent schools from wasting resources in recruiting and development, prevent mid majors from being raided by P5 schools, reign in kids from making bad decisions, and keep fans engaged with their teams. This is gonna hurt the fan experience and the game long term. The NBA doesn’t have unlimited free agency. The key thing to know with this rule change is that the NCAA is desperate to hold onto their sham amateurism model so they’re willing to cave and invite chaos in the transfer rules in order to prevent a larger player revolt and intervention from lawmakers. When the right and fair answer is to pass a sensible NIL rule and to give the players some cut from the billion dollar NCAA tourney revenue.
 
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Very curious how it plays out. I think transfer rules need to be revised somewhat. For example, if a coach like Shaka Smart can just get up and leave, kids shouldn’t be trapped at the school or even penalized a year by wanting to transfer.
I agree with that. Kids shouldn’t be forced to sit out a year if their coach leaves or is fired. Exceptions like that would be fair.
 
No team can plan for their starting center being injured and out for they year 4 minutes in to the season. I wish he could have played the 4 as well.
You have to have a backup plan when the center is injury prone. Which he has been since his freshman year. The contingency plan was terrible.
 
You have to have a backup plan when the center is injury prone. Which he has been since his freshman year. The contingency plan was terrible.
They had one but he went to Duke and never played.
 
never a fan. i like watching players develop and grow into their roles at the college level. i'd find it hard to root for a scrabble dice cup lineup of players from who knows where i never heard of.
one other point about the CoVID exemptions. what's this going to do to the record books ? you could have players on the court 6 years. makes previous records almost meaningless .
 
It’s not good. The NCAA as usual is asleep at the wheel and refuses to do what’s best for the sport. Paying players and NIL should be a priority.

I've yet to see a viable solution for how this can be done. If you pay some players in a sport, then you need to pay them all - which basically no school can afford to do.

The money made by a school in sports OFTEN goes directly towards the endowment, scholarships, research etc...
 
No.
Teams bringing in 4 new "star" starters from the portal would have the same challenge as Kentucky or Duke with their new McD's A-A's every year.
Lots of talent doesn't = instant chemistry/success/guaranteed Final Four.
Therefore, for example-
Much prefer Kadary/Edwards in Orange next season and watch their development, vs Portal Plugins.
Exactly. In general, continuity is better for the players and their development and the programs.
 
Of course I did. Because they are all students, not professionals, at their school. the idea that they are so privileged that they have to have a rule that prevents them from playing somewhere else is what is misguided.
Than i think its important to treat any athlete that transfers exactly the same as any other student. Credits academic admission standards need to be adhered to. A student who isnt in good academic standing at their current school will usually have a very difficult time transferring. Many schools will not accept credits from other schools.
So if a player wants to transfer at a minimum the player and the school accepting them need to treat them the same as any other student.
Unfortunately we both know this isn't the case which is why you cant compare a division 1 athlete to a regular student as they do receive special treatment. They are not treated the same as other students. Other students dont get a fraction of the benefits that a D1 athlete receives. Its not as simple as you want it to be.
 
Than i think its important to treat any athlete that transfers exactly the same as any other student. Credits academic admission standards need to be adhered to. A student who isnt in good academic standing at their current school will usually have a very difficult time transferring. Many schools will not accept credits from other schools.
So if a player wants to transfer at a minimum the player and the school accepting them need to treat them the same as any other student.
Unfortunately we both know this isn't the case which is why you cant compare a division 1 athlete to a regular student as they do receive special treatment. They are not treated the same as other students. Other students dont get a fraction of the benefits that a D1 athlete receives. Its not as simple as you want it to be.
I agree. Treat them the same.
 
Terrible for many reasons. It’s bad for the game.
How about for the kids that play the game? See, I said that I agree. It really, at least for me, ruins the fan experience. A lot of the fun is disliking the other team. And of course, liking your guys. Now, they could all be switching jerseys after the year. But for the kids, freedom of movement is good. Some kids will learn a tough lesson of course. About green grass. And, about not having a place as good as the one you were in. But that will be their choice. Not some older man who if he feels like it, can up and leave that kid high and dry for a few bucks more.
 
for me, the fan experience is that these kids are almost like a part of your family for 4 years. And the kids on the other teams are kids you don't like from across the street. Now, that is more or less gone.
You make a lot of good points in your various posts. I find this one interesting about liking or disliking kids on teams. While that obviously is true, the bigger picture here much more often is not disliking the player because of the person he is, but because of the team he plays for that we dislike. We may not like a player because they play for a despised team (of course there are exceptions). But, if a “disliked” player transfers to SU, then we may all of a sudden like the same player because now he is part of the team we like and root for, or perhaps we are more tolerant of character flaws, if they exist, because he is now part of our team. It’s like this in anything. We agree, like, and connect with things or people all the time simply because they fit our own viewpoints of the world, and vice versa. In sure you’d agree.
 
You make a lot of good points in your various posts. I find this one interesting about liking or disliking kids on teams. While that obviously is true, the bigger picture here much more often is not disliking the player because of the person he is, but because of the team he plays for that we dislike. We may not like a player because they play for a despised team (of course there are exceptions). But, if a “disliked” player transfers to SU, then we may all of a sudden like the same player because now he is part of the team we like and root for, or perhaps we are more tolerant of character flaws, if they exist, because he is now part of our team. It’s like this in anything. We agree, like, and connect with things or people all the time simply because they fit our own viewpoints of the world, and vice versa. In sure you’d agree.
Of course. That was my point. LOL and I hate losing that. I mean the second devo transferred to Uconn, both boards would have changed their opinion about him.
 
That isn't what is happening. This isn't just kids transferring because they aren't playing enough. This is kids that are stars transferring to bigger and better schools. The Northeastern kid yesterday that transferred to Michigan State, the Northeastern coach brought this kid in when I imagine Michigan State weren't interested. Helped coach him up and now he transfers to Michigan State as he says they called him every day. Let's not think this is all Woody Newtons leaving to get a shot at PT. It isn't. The G-town center was their best player. As I said, it is the right thing to do. But the fun in college basketball is rooting for your kids for years. And rooting against the kids from G-town or UConn for years. That is leaving the sport and it is bad for the fans.
I would say that most transfers are going from a better team to a worse team.
 
I would say that most transfers are going from a better team to a worse team.
You mean the guys that didn't play, sure. And i don't think anyone has a problem with kids that don't play, transferring and playing right away. The problem is when schools like Kentucky recruit kids from small schools that turn out to be very good and convince them to transfer. Not legal but it's more legal than paying high school kids.
 
I find this one interesting about liking or disliking kids on teams. While that obviously is true, the bigger picture here much more often is not disliking the player because of the person he is, but because of the team he plays for that we dislike. We may not like a player because they play for a despised team (of course there are exceptions). But, if a “disliked” player transfers to SU, then we may all of a sudden like the same player because now he is part of the team we like and root for...because he is now part of our team.
My Exhibit A, from many years ago: Earl The Pearl Monroe from Bullets to the Knicks.
From Arch Enemy to Clyde's running mate, and a 72-73 NBA Championship!
 
My Exhibit A, from many years ago: Earl The Pearl Monroe from Bullets to the Knicks.
From Arch Enemy to Clyde's running mate, and a 72-73 NBA Championship!
If anyone listened to johnny Most the old Celtic pbp guy. he hated Paul Silas. Until he became a Celtic.
 
Because this is literally turning into open gym night at the local Elementary school.
For this year, yes.

The kids deserve as much latitude as possible given the pandemic issues.

After this year, would love to see the NCAA go back to real one-year sit outs except for grad transfers.

This off-season is going too be nuts.
 
Because this is literally turning into open gym night at the local Elementary school.
I’m always on board with individual freedom. Do you realize that only 4 groups of athletes (FB, MBB, WBB, and M hockey) have the transfer penalty? Proof positive it has nothing to do with academics and serving the student. It’s about money, and also (mostly) about controlling financially disadvantaged kids. (Hockey just has its own weird set of rules, like being a pro in the juniors, then being able to go to play in college.).
 

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