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Fan support and making the program more successful

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This can not be stated as fact, but is an educated guess that is most probably correct based on the data from virtually every football program that has strong "fan" support. I believe that strong fan support and a successful , winning football program go hand in hand. This obviously is not breaking news to anyone reading this post, however there seems to be "fans" of the Orange that consider themselves smart or educated consumers, choosing to not participate in the game day experience, and suggesting that the rest of us would be wise to also not support our Orange from the friendly confines of the Carrier Dome. This empathy towards the football team compounds the difficulty in fielding a successful, winning team, or so I would think. This is my solution, not guaranteed to work, but most probably correct based on other programs with strong fan support and their results on the field. I am a fan, I have held season tickets for 25 years or so, I have missed only 2 home games in those 25 years, I have attended numerous away games in those 25 years, I have attended all bowl games, kick-off classic's and Meadowlands games the last 3 years, plus all spring games. Of that second group of games, not home games, I have missed 4 in those 25 years. I suggest that if every "fan" of the Orange participated as I have over the past 25 years, we, as "fans", would have a more successful and winning football team, or so I would think. I, am a fan!
 
This can not be stated as fact, but is an educated guess that is most probably correct based on the data from virtually every football program that has strong "fan" support. I believe that strong fan support and a successful , winning football program go hand in hand. This obviously is not breaking news to anyone reading this post, however there seems to be "fans" of the Orange that consider themselves smart or educated consumers, choosing to not participate in the game day experience, and suggesting that the rest of us would be wise to also not support our Orange from the friendly confines of the Carrier Dome. This empathy towards the football team compounds the difficulty in fielding a successful, winning team, or so I would think. This is my solution, not guaranteed to work, but most probably correct based on other programs with strong fan support and their results on the field. I am a fan, I have held season tickets for 25 years or so, I have missed only 2 home games in those 25 years, I have attended numerous away games in those 25 years, I have attended all bowl games, kick-off classic's and Meadowlands games the last 3 years, plus all spring games. Of that second group of games, not home games, I have missed 4 in those 25 years. I suggest that if every "fan" of the Orange participated as I have over the past 25 years, we, as "fans", would have a more successful and winning football team, or so I would think. I, am a fan!

How the fans are treated starts with how the Athletic Department is run. Things like moving attractive games to New Jersey, a lackluster gameday atmosphere, and what comes across as running an amateurish operation doesn't help. The school does a terrible job generating excitement.

This program has bigger problems than fans showing up.
 
I am a fan, I have held season tickets for 25 years or so, I have missed only 2 home games in those 25 years, I have attended numerous away games in those 25 years, I have attended all bowl games, kick-off classic's and Meadowlands games the last 3 years, plus all spring games. Of that second group of games, not home games, I have missed 4 in those 25 years. I suggest that if every "fan" of the Orange participated as I have over the past 25 years, we, as "fans", would have a more successful and winning football team, or so I would think. I, am a fan!

I agree with your overall point, but you can't tell people how to spend their money and time and expect them to spend it the same way as you. Most people can't afford going to all bowl games, Meadowlands games, and all the kickoff classics. And if they can afford it they might not be able to get the time off from work to make it a vacation or a long weekend. Other people have kids and family responsibilities that prevent them from making those trips let alone multiple trips like that a year. Those aren't crazy "raking leaves" excuses...those are legit reasons.

Winning games cures all, it really does at the end of the day. If the team starts winning the Dome will be filled. That's Step 1. Worry about fans traveling to bowl games and away games after Step 1 is accomplished
 
How the fans are treated starts with how the Athletic Department is run. Things like moving attractive games to New Jersey, a lackluster gameday atmosphere, and what comes across as running an amateurish operation doesn't help. The school does a terrible job generating excitement.

This program has bigger problems than fans showing up.
Respectfully disagree
 
orangechef said:
I am a fan, I have held season tickets for 25 years or so, I have missed only 2 home games in those 25 years, I have attended numerous away games in those 25 years, I have attended all bowl games, kick-off classic's and Meadowlands games the last 3 years, plus all spring games. Of that second group of games, not home games, I have missed 4 in those 25 years. I suggest that if every "fan" of the Orange participated as I have over the past 25 years, we, as "fans", would have a more successful and winning football team, or so I would think. I, am a fan!

I have had season basketball tickets with my father, and then my own for 30 years. I have gone to football games as a child and teen with my father at Archbold and the Dome, and continued to do so as a young adult. (Retail made it tough however). Since leaving retail in 2006, I've had my own football season tickets, and have missed three home games. In 44 years of life, I have attended only one road football game at Army, and one KIck-off Classic at the meadowlands. And for basketball, I have missed my share due to work and children (life), and have never been to a BE tournament or any road game for that matter. And money has a hand in that. I'm lucky to have the seasons I have. Spring games and midnight madness, hardwood club dinners, and fan fest... I make those most of time. I never miss a road game on TV, and I'd typically put my passion for SU FB AND BB, up against anyone's. But I, apparently, am not a fan.
 
Bayside44 said:
The team has to produce. That's basically it.

Yep. This program has won more than seven regular season FBS games exactly ONE time in the last SIXTEEN years.

Let that wash over you, everyone.

As Ty Webb once said to Al Czervik: "You... You're not good. You stink."

The fact that we still draw around 40K a game is a freakin miracle given the dreck this fanbase has had to endure.
 
Yep. This program has won more than seven regular season FBS games exactly ONE time in the last SIXTEEN years.

Let that wash over you, everyone.

As Ty Webb once said to Al Czervik: "You... You're not good. You stink."

The fact that we still draw around 40K a game is a freakin miracle given the dreck this fanbase has had to endure.
syracuse population: 144, 669 not that big


40k is never a bad draw, considering how the team has played in years before Marrone... Won't be a drop in attendance this year either with some good home games (LSU and Clem) once this team can start winning the dome will be full again.

Have to WIN though
 
I have had season basketball tickets with my father, and then my own for 30 years. I have gone to football games as a child and teen with my father at Archbold and the Dome, and continued to do so as a young adult. (Retail made it tough however). Since leaving retail in 2006, I've had my own football season tickets, and have missed three home games. In 44 years of life, I have attended only one road football game at Army, and one KIck-off Classic at the meadowlands. And for basketball, I have missed my share due to work and children (life), and have never been to a BE tournament or any road game for that matter. And money has a hand in that. I'm lucky to have the seasons I have. Spring games and midnight madness, hardwood club dinners, and fan fest... I make those most of time. I never miss a road game on TV, and I'd typically put my passion for SU FB AND BB, up against anyone's. But I, apparently, am not a fan.

You, sir, are a fan. Keep it up.
 
Just win - all of the other stuff will fall in line or take of itself.
 
Yep. This program has won more than seven regular season FBS games exactly ONE time in the last SIXTEEN years.

Let that wash over you, everyone.

As Ty Webb once said to Al Czervik: "You... You're not good. You stink."

The fact that we still draw around 40K a game is a freakin miracle given the dreck this fanbase has had to endure.
the even crazier thing is that the offense has sucked for that entire span - the offense has been awful to painful for 1.5 decades

(and what's the great concern for next season - yep, you guessed it)

agree that averaging 40k at this point is basically a miracle
 
This obviously is not breaking news to anyone reading this post, however there seems to be "fans" of the Orange that consider themselves smart or educated consumers, choosing to not participate in the game day experience, and suggesting that the rest of us would be wise to also not support our Orange from the friendly confines of the Carrier Dome.
I'm glad that my post in another thread was completely misunderstood.

I'm not really suggesting that people should stay away from the Dome. However, it is completely reasonable to point out our fans have had very few positive experiences when going to the Dome. That's not recent history either. Even a lot of the games we have won have been a struggle.

This is a huge oversimplification, but consumers buy things for different reasons and sacrifice other opportunities as part of the cost of their purchase. So, for some consumers (fans) the idea of spending time in the Dome with friends and family watching their favorite team play is a satisfactory experience. Those are your diehards, and they're called diehard for a reason. For some consumers (fans) the experience needs to be different from what the diehard will enjoy in order for it to be worth the financial cost and the opportunity cost. If they eat those costs and they're not satisfied with the experience, well... they probably don't feel good about that deal.

When consumers (fans) evaluate the potential experience against the costs, feel it won't be worth it, and then the game results suggest they were right they were a smart consumer. Having smart consumers is a good thing, because their behavior means that you can identify some of the reasons why people aren't choosing your product (the team).

I'm not saying that you ignore your diehards, but I am saying that your product has enough intrinsic value to keep them. We don't have enough people like that to sell out the Dome though. So, you've got to fill those seats, and that means you've got to appeal more broadly to your community of potential buyers. Telling those people that they aren't real fans doesn't help that cause - crowds don't willingly show up someplace where they're going to feel alienated. Telling them they have some sort of obligation to come because they're from the area and it's their duty to cheer for the home team doesn't help; people want to feel like they're making a choice, not like they're being told what they have to do. Winning matters a lot, but it's not like you can just flip a switch and win. Making the experience more fun (soooooooo much involved in that, but I prefer to focus on what the novelty of having a high flying offense would do for our fanbase) helps, and is probably one of the things you can most directly control.

Look everyone, sports are supposed to be fun and inclusive for a community. They're an escape. If they're not fun and inclusive people aren't going to participate. Our football has not been consistently fun for a really long time. We absolutely can turn that around, but it requires some choices. Here's OttoinGrotto's easy three step plan to making football more fun and bringing in more of those discerning consumers:

1. Acknowledge that fans are sophisticated consumers making real choices that should be respected.
2. Assess the unique advantages your program has that you maybe aren't capitalizing on the way you could be.
3. Put a high flying offense in the unique advantage you're pissing away and watch people come in and have fun.

It really isn't that crazy. It isn't even difficult. We just have to change our thinking, and let the changes in our thinking guide our actions.
 
i hate to say it,but i will drop seasons this year. my son and i have had 2 seasons tics for the past sevreal years in the $300 range. before that, i went to usually 3-4 games a year since forever. i have said in the past i would do this and never did. last season finished me in terms of frustration with program, and the perpetual koolaid that occurs from su every year. i will possibly go to one of the mini packages or just select games. have been to both pinstripe bowls, games at the "meadowlands" including nd and psu and kickoff classic. all that is simply to say i have never been a fair weather fan.(1st su game in 1961). i bleed orange, but in my senior years(66) i have decided to make my small "statement"by not renewing. i travel from bethlehem pa to games, and visit family still in syracuse(raised on tipphill). for the past few years i have been saying i would do this and never did. now i have firmly decided this, and believe it or not i feel somewhat liberated, and not held emotionally hostage by the AD. i am not an alum, although daughter got jd/mpa from su,so i've paid a few bucks. i am just a passionate old "townie", you know the type, the ones who primarily fill the majority of seats in the dome!!! i'm not encouraging anyone else to do this at all, just relating my own perspective re su football. ---go orangemen---
 
if ticket prices go up, you can probably count me out as well... we shall see what they come up with.
 
It's your money - and they certainly haven't earned our support with wins on the field or high level competence in the AD - but I'm all in no matter what. To me, that's what "bleeding orange" actually means.

Plus - the staff and players are worthy of our support. They work hard and have earned the mulligan for last season. I think we will see something special in the dome this year.
 
1. Acknowledge that fans are sophisticated consumers making real choices that should be respected.
2. Assess the unique advantages your program has that you maybe aren't capitalizing on the way you could be.
3. Put a high flying offense in the unique advantage you're pissing away and watch people come in and have fun.

It really isn't that crazy. It isn't even difficult. We just have to change our thinking, and let the changes in our thinking guide our actions.

None of those things are "fun" when we are consistently losing. You can try all the comforts, promotions, high-flying offenses and gimmicks you want but losing will keep people away in droves.
 
None of those things are "fun" when we are consistently losing. You can try all the comforts, promotions, high-flying offenses and gimmicks you want but losing will keep people away in droves.
Fair enough. If we're destined to lose, let's at least see what it's like to lose a different way.
 
Fair enough. If we're destined to lose, let's at least see what it's like to lose a different way.
Yeah...I didn't mean don't make changes nor that we are destined to lose. I think there are some good ideas out there that can be tried including major ones like dome enhancements. I would do that in the plan that when we are winning, we also have improved other areas and will get the most bang for the buck from the money spent. The improvements will be the icing on the winning cake.
 
Lets be real here - If the basketball team hit a multi-year sustained stretch of poor play and down seasons, attendance would drop heavily. That is what has happened with football. We find a way to stop nut punching the fans every time we have a chance to "turn the corner" at home and this will happen. Every single year there is a game where we have a chance to snowball attendance, and the team just lays the fattest, stinkiest deuce all over the field. This is problem #1. When the casual fans finally show up after a year or two and get a steaming pile of poo, they run away for another year or two. We need to give them something to talk and chat about and then more people will come. Success begets success, and lately we haven't had much begetting to be had.
 

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