Filipowski better be suspended

[dasher]

They would have taken Rutgers anyway, even if they already got a NY presence with Syracuse?

They would have taken Rutgers before they took us.

 

[Cusefan95]

Of course. But you're simply not being honest if you don't believe that their offer wasn't literally a lifeline. And, had they not offered, our football program would've been in dire straights, etc., likely the likes of UConn's. Whereas, the ACC on the other hand, would've been no worse off today.

Interesting claim that the ACC would have been no worse off today - highly speculative on your part, and there’s plenty of reason to think that is absolute nonsense - just like almost everything else you’ve contributed here, since you’re butthurt someone said mean things about Charlotte…

 

[MikeSU02]

IMO, the partnership has proportionately benefited Syracuse more than it has the ACC.

If being North of the Mason Dixon line was a driving force of such need nowadays, it's interesting how neither the B1G nor the SEC are paying any attention to that premise.

What do you mean re the B1G? They are all north of the line and they go from the Atlantic Ocean through the western border of Nebraska.

 

[orangefog]

They would have taken Rutgers before they took us.

I stand corrected.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

The problem is the vast majority of old-guard ACC fans LOVE Greensboro. It's ACC tradition, and it's one they are proud of. I can't fault them for that. It's where the ACC grew up and where many memories are for the original members.

I'm not even talking about UNC and Duke fans. I'm talking about UVA and Georgia Tech fans. For them, it's history.

It's similar to how we all feel about MSG and the BET. It's our history. It's also objectively a much better place to hold a prestige tournament. I'm always talking to ACC fans, and most HATE the idea of NYC being a player. They say there's no chance they would travel there, it's too expensive, too big a city, etc. Southern pastoralism at its finest.

Charlotte is okay with them, but they would rather it be in Greensboro yearly. I've tried to explain that there is nothing like big-time college hoops in the Mecca of college basketball. They disagree; worse, they can't imagine a better scenario than Greensboro for a tournament.

It's tradition and history. Look how they hold onto the remnants of the Lost Cause (some, at least). It is difficult for many Southerners to turn their back on their history. It's why I've always suggested DC as the compromise. Big city, equidistant between most of the teams, etc. They hate it being in Washington slightly less than they did it being in NYC, but not by much.

 

[orangecuse]

CLT was a horrible choice - the issue is the conference has historically had decision making that disproportionately favors the NC schools. It bothered USC, GT, Maryland, FSU…and Syracuse (and probably others, but all of the above are well documented). Moving from Greensboro to CLT did nothing to signal to all members anything had changed, and in fact it reinforced that if you had issues, they weren’t going to be addressed - this was and is an NC-centric conference.

The problem was there really wasn’t another viable alternative. DC would have been a great pick if Maryland was still in the ACC - it’s not as viable with them in the Big Ten. NYC is way too far away from the core of the ACC - I think DC was about as far north as they could legitimately choose. Atlanta was an option, arguably better than CLT - but as a fan of a northern school in the ACC, the headquarters moving to the Deep South is unappealing.

So my opinion is the argument over CLT as the headquarters is one of the most pointless I’ve seen on this board - it was a horrible choice that the conference really didn’t have any choice but to make.

You're pigeon holed into your line of thinking. So, making any attempt to debate this with you is useless. That's fine, "opinions vary."

 

[Orangezoo]

IMO, the partnership has proportionately benefited Syracuse more than it has the ACC.

If being North of the Mason Dixon line was a driving force of such need nowadays, it's interesting how neither the B1G nor the SEC are paying any attention to that premise.

The BIG has no competition for major markets in Chicago, Minneapolis etc. The ACC is competing in SEC markets. Thus the heavily populated Northeast matters a great deal to be able to compete and take advantage of the SEC and BIG lacking as much of a presence there ( Ped St and Buttgers)

 

[MikeSU02]

You're pigeon holed into your line of thinking. So, making any attempt to debate this with you is useless. That's fine, "opinions vary."

Roadhouse is one of my five favorite movies ever, so we can agree on that.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The problem is the vast majority of old-guard ACC fans LOVE Greensboro. It's ACC tradition, and it's one they are proud of. I can't fault them for that. It's where the ACC grew up and where many memories are for the original members.

I'm not even talking about UNC and Duke fans. I'm talking about UVA and Georgia Tech fans. For them, it's history.

It's similar to how we all feel about MSG and the BET. It's our history. It's also objectively a much better place to hold a prestige tournament. I'm always talking to ACC fans, and most HATE the idea of NYC being a player. They say there's no chance they would travel there, it's too expensive, too big a city, etc. Southern pastoralism at its finest.

Charlotte is okay with them, but they would rather it be in Greensboro yearly. I've tried to explain that there is nothing like big-time college hoops in the Mecca of college basketball. They disagree; worse, they can't imagine a better scenario than Greensboro for a tournament.

It's tradition and history. Look how they hold onto the remnants of the Lost Cause (some, at least). It is difficult for many Southerners to turn their back on their history. It's why I've always suggested DC as the compromise. Big city, equidistant between most of the teams, etc. They hate it being in Washington slightly less than they did it being in NYC, but not by much.

Playing in Greensboro was fine when it was a regional conference. Again, imagine the BET played in Scranton. It makes no sense.

Play in DC if you don’t want to play in NY. At least everyone can get there easily. They’re bending to the knee of UNC/DUKE and NC State. That’s who runs things.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Anyone have a non ACC argument style update on this tripping issue?

 

[orangefog]

Anyone have a non ACC argument style update on this tripping issue?

Jon Scheyer was asked for a reaction to the possibility of Filipowski not being available for the Blue Devil's game on Thursday. His response:

 

[althea]

This is funny

Kyle Filipowski - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Orangezoo]

Jon Scheyer was asked for a reaction to the possibility of Filipowski not being available for the Blue Devil's game on Thursday. His response:
View attachment 238674

Scheyer said Filipowski had PTSD from the Wake incident and thought Barnes was rushing the court

 

[althea]

The wiki page has already been changed.
Here was original

https://x.com/nunesmagician/status/1767230519496843642?s=46&t=s63UBb_cWzAfyxcYKFKKzQ

 

[Nicknack]

I just watched the trip several times. Flip should be suspended for simply claiming his foot slipped. That's just an impossibility the way his leg was positioned. Ridiculous.

 

[orangefog]

I just watched the trip several times. Flip should be suspended for simply claiming his foot slipped. That's just an impossibility the way his leg was positioned. Ridiculous.

Yeah, it is obvious that his intention was to at least impede his opponent.

 

[orangecuse]

What do you mean re the B1G? They are all north of the line and they go from the Atlantic Ocean through the western border of Nebraska.

Yes, I realize. The argument I was attempting to make, was that it's not the driving force nowadays. And, that of our overall attraction, etc. and how it has more to do with Flagship state institutions and the like with enormous alumni/fan bases, statewide interest, financial commitment, etc. that more significantly moves the needle.

 

[Cuseball]

I just watched the trip several times. Flip should be suspended for simply claiming his foot slipped. That's just an impossibility the way his leg was positioned. Ridiculous.

While he won’t be suspended he should be ashamed of lying and even more ashamed of his pitiful pretend limping to distract from what he did. It was so bad it was almost comical. Same limp he did after the court storming. Very, very weak

Cuse

 

[Cusefan95]

IMO, the partnership has proportionately benefited Syracuse more than it has the ACC.

If being North of the Mason Dixon line was a driving force of such need nowadays, it's interesting how neither the B1G nor the SEC are paying any attention to that premise.

Syracuse ABSOLUTELY benefitted more than the ACC. But - and this is really, really, really important - a big part of why Syracuse benefitted more than the ACC is that after that expansion, the ACC sat on their hands while the world changed around them. There was lots of speculation about what the next move the ACC was going to make - maybe add Rutgers and UConn and lock up the northeast, or maybe convince Texas and Oklahoma to join since they were exploring options outside the Big 12, or maybe they’d convince ND to join for all sports…nobody expected the ACC was going to pick the least viable, worst possible, incredibly poorly thought out strategy of “do nothing”.

If adding Syracuse was actually part of a coherent strategy by the ACC, then they would have kept moving. Instead it was a reactive move as the Big Ten was looking at expansion, not part of a sound plan. Unshockingly, businesses without good long term strategies don’t often benefit from the few, short-term decisions they do make. And it could be argued that joining this provincial trainwreck of a conference when other options were potentially going to be available might have been the wrong long term decision for Syracuse. It solved the short term issue - but right now I doubt anyone is comfortable with where we stand.

 

[MikeSU02]

While he won’t be suspended he should be ashamed of lying and even more ashamed of his pitiful pretend limping to distract from what he did. It was so bad it was almost comical. Same limp he did after the court storming. Very, very weak

Cuse

Dies during court storming. Rises from the dead to not miss a game. Has an out of body experience where the devil takes control of his body and trips a UNC player.

It's a shame he's been through so much these past few weeks.

 

[orangecuse]

The BIG has no competition for major markets in Chicago, Minneapolis etc. The ACC is competing in SEC markets. Thus the heavily populated Northeast matters a great deal to be able to compete and take advantage of the SEC and BIG lacking as much of a presence there ( Ped St and Buttgers)

We all realize that football drives the bus. And, unfortunately, the NE is made up of primarily non flagship football schools, privates, etc. along with a geographic area that is predominately pro sports orientated.

Syracuse football draws a limited amount in its upstate regions, as well as downstate because of its non flagship existence and private nature. I recall, back in the day, when I was at college in Buffalo, many folks around town were not Syracuse fans at all, matter of fact, rooting against them. It's as if the state is partitioned relative to its true following. Mostly, Syracuse to Rochester, Syracuse to Utica, Syracuse Binghamton and the North Country, not significant populous areas.

 

[baggerbob]

The provincialism of the ACC is contributing to why its so unstable - The Big Ten/SEC would be going after targets regardless, but the reality of the ACC is all but four schools mostly hate the conference and would rather be away from the Carolina mafia if there was any other option. Its part of why I so badly want UNC to go to the Big Ten - I don't think they are prepared for the reaction they will get the first time they tell Ohio St and Michigan "well, here's what we're thinking..."

I somewhat admire Flip's commitment to being a heel - its like he's been taking lessons from Ted Dibiase. He's working up to just kicking the basketball away from opposing players and laughing at them I guess...

Part of the reason the ACC gets no respect is the conference HQ in The state with what is considered as 4 basketball schools.
None of those schools have a history of being football schools at any time.
Most of the other ACC schools at least have done something on a national level many times before.

 

[orangecuse]

Part of the reason the ACC gets no respect is the conference HQ in The state with what is considered as 4 basketball schools.
None of those schools have a history of being football schools at any time.
Most of the other ACC schools at least have done something on a national level many times before.

Perhaps, the reason the ACC is HQ in Charlotte is because many of its member schools are in relative close proximity to it. And, Charlotte being a world class city with the 6 busiest airport in the country. Additionally, several of its schools having a relatively short driving distance to it. UNC, NCST, Duke & Clemson are about two hours, give or take. Wake is about and hour and a half, hour and 45 minutes. VPI is about 2.5 or so, UVA about 4.5 hours.

One can argue that many of the ACC schools don't "have a history of being football schools" and that when one thinks of the ACC, it thinks hoops first. Clemson and FSU are the only schools that carry any weight on the football front nowadays, with VPI, and Miami having a football reputation, albeit, it's been a while for them being of any true/consistent significance.

Syracuse, for years, from a national standpoint, is looked primarily as a hoops school. Same with Wake and BC. Pitt, could be argued perhaps 50/50 type. Louisville, hoops for sure.

Therefore, the ACC likely, as long as it stays together in its current state (until the GOR exhausts) will remain perceived as accustomed, a hoops first conference, where the majority of its members also play respectable football, other than the very few that actually can compete on the national stage for championships.

 

[Bayside44]

First, I love CLT. I had a client there that I traveled to CLT for and appreciate CLT for it's substantial contribution to the country. I also have friends there that have lived in NoDa and now live in Plaza Midwood. I love the National Whitewater Center. Truthfully, I think the NASCAR HoF could have been better. I also have a best friend that was an assistant coach at Davidson on one of the athletic teams. Can't tell you how much it was great to visit Davidson. Granted, that's not CLT, but it's within reason an area-adjacent.

But this is a straight up arms race we're facing. So while I personally love CLT, it's not a serious choice and it allowed this conference to be southern-centric, NC-centric and not have anyone push us to be bigger and better and forward thinking.

Can't wait for the ACCT to be in G'boro [EDIT: My mistake] North Carolina for FIVE YEARS IN A ROW, which will coincide with the payments to break the GOR being more viable for certain teams. So please enjoy this North Carolina conference as it digs it's own grave continously while the world burns around it.

Syracuse supported the Charlotte move. Where else would it be.

It's also there for those five years to settle contract stuff and the rotation will then get back to it.

 

[MikeSU02]

Syracuse supported the Charlotte move. Where else would it be.

It's also there for those five years to settle contract stuff and the rotation will then get back to it.

After those five years, there may not be any conference to worry about.

There is a whole country outside of North Carolina.

We're bringing a knife to a gun fight.