Fire Autry

[Scooch]

Somewhat agree, and herein lies my conundrum w/ present-day college athletics.
5 maybe 10 years ago, I'd feel differently- but these aren't innocent kids and Red ain't some well-intentioned uncle guiding them through life. He's getting paid to win or at the very least, be competitive and frankly, he currently sucks at his job.
If I'm a student watching guys drive to class in Lamborghinis and having 100s of thousand $$ contracts, I'm not happy either

Yep. Syracuse basketball is professional sports now.

And let's be real, this wasn't 10K people chanting "Red must go!". It was likely 15-20 students who only were heard because the Dome was empty.

 

[Eric15]

I just can't believe we are in Year 12 of this nonsense. It's unfathomable.

 

[tptcuse]

Coaches are human. There’s not a coach in the country who wouldn’t want Melo around the program.

 

[DilemaCuse]

3rd year was deserved due to that recruiting class. Always a great strategy.
Somehow Jordan Smith hasnt eliminated SU yet.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Better have a plan in place for NIL money to replace Melo then because I assume that will be following Kiyan.

Kiyan has his own money from endorsements. He'll want to get paid but he's not going somewhere because of the NIL.

He will want a guaranteed starting position and the place that best gets him to the league. That's not here likely when the housecleaning happens.

Melo is worth 160M and will still donate I'm sure if it's a coach and program he believes in.

 

[RF2044]

I just can't believe we are in Year 12 of this nonsense. It's unfathomable.

In 2012-2013, we went to the final four.

In 2013-2014, we started out 25-0, but finished a disappointing 28-6 [3-6 record down the stretch], losing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Since then, here are the records for each subsequent year:

2015 - 18-13 [ineligible to play in postseason, due to self-imposed sanctions with pending NCAA investigation]
2016 - 23-14 [*** this included an unexpected Final Four run]
2017 - 19-15 [NIT]
2018 - 23-14 [last four in]
2019 - 20-14 [first round loss]
2020 - 18-14 [COVID year, wouldn't have qualified for NCAAT anyway]
2021 - 18-10 [sweet 16]
2022 - 16-17 [first losing season in 40+ years]
2023 - 17-15 [no postseason]
2024 - 20-12 [no postseason]
2025 - 14-19 [worst season in 40+ years]

• Four [4] NCAA seasons in the last 11 years
• 13+ losses in all but one of those 11 years
• Two losing seasons, which hadn't happened in 4+ decades
• Four [4] consecutive years of not making any postseason tournament

And if all of that weren't bad enough, here are the conference records over that same span of time, all in the ACC:

2015 - 9-9
2016 - 9-9
2017 - 10-8
2018 - 8-10
2019 - 10-8
2020 - 10-10
2021 - 9-7
2022 - 9-11
2023 - 10-10
2024 - 11-9
2025 - 7-13

• Four [4] losing records in ACC conference play, out of 11 seasons
• Five [5] double digit loss conference seasons out of 11
• 102 wins against 104 losses -- overall losing record in conference

Really, the decline was not just steady, it was a precipitous dip in overall program performance that began in the 2014-2015 season, and we've been mired in that rut ever since.

The conference schedule failures alone should have been a massive red flag to the fanbase, a subset of whom seemed content to let JB continue for as long as he wanted to DESPITE the decline.

Hiring one of the architects of this decline to replace JB was a massive strategic blunder.

 

[sufan59]

In 2012-2013, we went to the final four.

In 2013-2014, we started out 25-0, but finished a disappointing 28-6 [3-6 record down the stretch], losing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Since then, here are the records for each subsequent year:

2015 18-13 [ineligible to play in postseason, due to self-imposed sanctions with pending NCAA investigation]
2016 23-14 [*** this included an unexpected Final Four run]
2017 19-15 [NIT]
2018 23-14 [last four in]
2019 20-14 [first round loss]
2020 18-14 [COVID year, wouldn't have qualified for NCAAT anyway]
2021 18-10 [sweet 16]
2022 16-17 [first losing season in 40+ years]
2023 17-15 [no postseason]
2024 20-12 [no postseason]
2025 14-19 [worst season in 40+ years]

• Four [4] NCAA seasons in the last 11 years
• 13+ losses in all but one of those 11 years
• Two losing seasons, which hadn't happened in 4+ decades
• Four [4] consecutive years of not making any postseason tournament

And if all of that weren't bad enough, here are the conference records over that same span of time, all in the ACC:

2015 9-9
2016 9-9
2017 10-8
2018 8-10
2019 10-8
2020 10-10
2021 9-7
2022 9-11
2023 10-10
2024 11-9
2025 7-13

• Four [4] losing records in ACC conference play, out of 11 seasons
• Five [5] double digit loss conference seasons out of 11
• 102 wins against 104 losses -- overall losing record in conference

Really, the decline was not just steady, it was a precipitous dip in overall program performance that began in the 2014-2015 season, and we've been mired in that rut ever since.

The conference schedule failures alone should have been a massive red flag to the fanbase, a subset of whom seemed content to let JB continue for as long as he wanted to DESPITE the decline.

Hiring one of the architects of this decline to replace JB was a massive strategic blunder.

It's time to correct it

 

[FloridaCuse]

In 2012-2013, we went to the final four.

In 2013-2014, we started out 25-0, but finished a disappointing 28-6 [3-6 record down the stretch], losing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Since then, here are the records for each subsequent year:

2015 - 18-13 [ineligible to play in postseason, due to self-imposed sanctions with pending NCAA investigation]
2016 - 23-14 [*** this included an unexpected Final Four run]
2017 - 19-15 [NIT]
2018 - 23-14 [last four in]
2019 - 20-14 [first round loss]
2020 - 18-14 [COVID year, wouldn't have qualified for NCAAT anyway]
2021 - 18-10 [sweet 16]
2022 - 16-17 [first losing season in 40+ years]
2023 - 17-15 [no postseason]
2024 - 20-12 [no postseason]
2025 - 14-19 [worst season in 40+ years]

• Four [4] NCAA seasons in the last 11 years
• 13+ losses in all but one of those 11 years
• Two losing seasons, which hadn't happened in 4+ decades
• Four [4] consecutive years of not making any postseason tournament

And if all of that weren't bad enough, here are the conference records over that same span of time, all in the ACC:

2015 - 9-9
2016 - 9-9
2017 - 10-8
2018 - 8-10
2019 - 10-8
2020 - 10-10
2021 - 9-7
2022 - 9-11
2023 - 10-10
2024 - 11-9
2025 - 7-13

• Four [4] losing records in ACC conference play, out of 11 seasons
• Five [5] double digit loss conference seasons out of 11
• 102 wins against 104 losses -- overall losing record in conference

Really, the decline was not just steady, it was a precipitous dip in overall program performance that began in the 2014-2015 season, and we've been mired in that rut ever since.

The conference schedule failures alone should have been a massive red flag to the fanbase, a subset of whom seemed content to let JB continue for as long as he wanted to DESPITE the decline.

Hiring one of the architects of this decline to replace JB was a massive strategic blunder.

It's amazing that we've never had a record better than 2 games above .500 in the ACC.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Autry has to know he’s done at this point. I’m really curious what was going through his mind when he slammed the table. Had to be much more than just the turnover. Wondering if he knew he was cooked in that moment.

And the press conference choosing that moment to drop an “under the effin rim” comment is just hilarious. Everyone saw Young tell his team to foul before the last free throw. We rebound, we are going to the line with, at most, 5 seconds left if VT fouls right away. The odds of us making one, intentionally missing the second, and scoring on a rebound are low. Emphasizing that moment in the post game with vulgar language is just sad.

 

[Briancuse]

Yep. Syracuse basketball is professional sports now.

And let's be real, this wasn't 10K people chanting "Red must go!". It was likely 15-20 students who only were heard because the Dome was empty.

I was chanting from my couch.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

In 2012-2013, we went to the final four.

In 2013-2014, we started out 25-0, but finished a disappointing 28-6 [3-6 record down the stretch], losing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Since then, here are the records for each subsequent year:

2015 - 18-13 [ineligible to play in postseason, due to self-imposed sanctions with pending NCAA investigation]
2016 - 23-14 [*** this included an unexpected Final Four run]
2017 - 19-15 [NIT]
2018 - 23-14 [last four in]
2019 - 20-14 [first round loss]
2020 - 18-14 [COVID year, wouldn't have qualified for NCAAT anyway]
2021 - 18-10 [sweet 16]
2022 - 16-17 [first losing season in 40+ years]
2023 - 17-15 [no postseason]
2024 - 20-12 [no postseason]
2025 - 14-19 [worst season in 40+ years]

• Four [4] NCAA seasons in the last 11 years
• 13+ losses in all but one of those 11 years
• Two losing seasons, which hadn't happened in 4+ decades
• Four [4] consecutive years of not making any postseason tournament

And if all of that weren't bad enough, here are the conference records over that same span of time, all in the ACC:

2015 - 9-9
2016 - 9-9
2017 - 10-8
2018 - 8-10
2019 - 10-8
2020 - 10-10
2021 - 9-7
2022 - 9-11
2023 - 10-10
2024 - 11-9
2025 - 7-13

• Four [4] losing records in ACC conference play, out of 11 seasons
• Five [5] double digit loss conference seasons out of 11
• 102 wins against 104 losses -- overall losing record in conference

Really, the decline was not just steady, it was a precipitous dip in overall program performance that began in the 2014-2015 season, and we've been mired in that rut ever since.

The conference schedule failures alone should have been a massive red flag to the fanbase, a subset of whom seemed content to let JB continue for as long as he wanted to DESPITE the decline.

Hiring one of the architects of this decline to replace JB was a massive strategic blunder.

JAB was getting a free pass up until the 2022 due to his "success" getting to the NCAAT and advancing to two Final Fours and a Sweet Sixteen within a nine year period. No matter how much the decline was, he was still making the school money. No one in power was going to make that change.

There was ugliness, but he still had enough supporters. A lot different than what is transpiring now.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Autry has to know he’s done at this point. I’m really curious what was going through his mind when he slammed the table. Had to be much more than just the turnover. Wondering if he knew he was cooked in that moment.

And the press conference choosing that moment to drop an “under the effin rim” comment is just hilarious. Everyone saw Young tell his team to foul before the last free throw. We rebound, we are going to the line with, at most, 5 seconds left if VT fouls right away. The odds of us making one, intentionally missing the second, and scoring on a rebound are low. Emphasizing that moment in the post game was vulgar language is just sad.

His radio show should be interesting tonight.

 

[RedtheGOB]

In 2012-2013, we went to the final four.

In 2013-2014, we started out 25-0, but finished a disappointing 28-6 [3-6 record down the stretch], losing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Since then, here are the records for each subsequent year:

2015 - 18-13 [ineligible to play in postseason, due to self-imposed sanctions with pending NCAA investigation]
2016 - 23-14 [*** this included an unexpected Final Four run]
2017 - 19-15 [NIT]
2018 - 23-14 [last four in]
2019 - 20-14 [first round loss]
2020 - 18-14 [COVID year, wouldn't have qualified for NCAAT anyway]
2021 - 18-10 [sweet 16]
2022 - 16-17 [first losing season in 40+ years]
2023 - 17-15 [no postseason]
2024 - 20-12 [no postseason]
2025 - 14-19 [worst season in 40+ years]

• Four [4] NCAA seasons in the last 11 years
• 13+ losses in all but one of those 11 years
• Two losing seasons, which hadn't happened in 4+ decades
• Four [4] consecutive years of not making any postseason tournament

And if all of that weren't bad enough, here are the conference records over that same span of time, all in the ACC:

2015 - 9-9
2016 - 9-9
2017 - 10-8
2018 - 8-10
2019 - 10-8
2020 - 10-10
2021 - 9-7
2022 - 9-11
2023 - 10-10
2024 - 11-9
2025 - 7-13

• Four [4] losing records in ACC conference play, out of 11 seasons
• Five [5] double digit loss conference seasons out of 11
• 102 wins against 104 losses -- overall losing record in conference

Really, the decline was not just steady, it was a precipitous dip in overall program performance that began in the 2014-2015 season, and we've been mired in that rut ever since.

The conference schedule failures alone should have been a massive red flag to the fanbase, a subset of whom seemed content to let JB continue for as long as he wanted to DESPITE the decline.

Hiring one of the architects of this decline to replace JB was a massive strategic blunder.

Nice post, sums it up well. Those 2 Final 4's bought alot of goodwill in a few years. Alot of whatifs that those runs could just keep being repeated with the Zone and hot shooting or whatever.

Regardless of what happened with everything else, the many years after. We all remember the old man and really everyone involved in the program saying all that matters is March Madness. Even went as far as saying expand the tourney way back.

 

[Sbucketball]

I just can't believe we are in Year 12 of this nonsense. It's unfathomable.

Too many SU fans are complacent. Every contribution and every ticket is an endorsement of how SU leadership runs the program. Serious programs would never tolerate this mess, in large part because their fans wouldn't permit it.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Too many SU fans are complacent. Every contribution and every ticket is an endorsement of how SU leadership runs the program. Serious programs would never tolerate this mess, in large part because their fans wouldn't permit it.

JAB's overall winning % was 71.7%. Fans weren't used to losing. FUN FACT: He didn't sniff 70%+ in his last nine seasons, including six seasons where he didn't sniff 60%+.

But, the NCAAT glossed over his downhill slide. But, I wouldn't say that many Cuse fans are complacent. I would say they were complacent until recently.

You can see the lower attendance, the tone of the message boards, the tone of the sports radio programs.

I'm a Syracuse fan. I'm still going to buy season tickets next season. Although if Red is still here, I would have to think very hard about it. But, for this example, he won't be here.

 

[Orangezoo]

JAB's overall winning % was 71.7%. Fans weren't used to losing. FUN FACT: He didn't sniff 70%+ in his last nine seasons, including six seasons where he didn't sniff 60%+.

But, the NCAAT glossed over his downhill slide. But, I wouldn't say that many Cuse fans are complacent. I would say they were complacent until recently.

You can see the lower attendance, the tone of the message boards, the tone of the sports radio programs.

I'm a Syracuse fan. I'm still going to buy season tickets next season. Although if Red is still here, I would have to think very hard about it. But, for this example, he won't be here.

It still hurts to have to hear the announcers, that knew who we were, happily talking about SU being on the bubble as a matter of fact in college hoops. It was accurate but also such an insult at the same time.

 

[Eric15]

This team has real talent. This isn't like last year where we had a bizarre combination of 4'10" players, headcases, big men with a 6" vertical leap, etc.

We have everything we need to succeed. We have shooters, ball handlers, low post players, high flying dunkers, genuine depth, etc. The coaching staff is simply failing at turning those pieces into success.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

We have everything we need to succeed. We have shooters, ball handlers, low post players, high flying dunkers, genuine depth, etc. The coaching staff is simply failing at turning those pieces into success.

And the ACC has, what, four good teams? Autry has been bleeding equity left and right with this group.

Separate but related, Tennessee beating Houston has proven to be a fluke so we don't really have even that to lean on the way we thought we would six weeks ago.

 

[AZOrange]

This team has real talent. This isn't like last year where we had a bizarre combination of 4'10" players, headcases, big men with a 6" vertical leap, etc.

We have everything we need to succeed. We have shooters, ball handlers, low post players, high flying dunkers, genuine depth, etc. The coaching staff is simply failing at turning those pieces into success.

They literally have no scheme. Have you noticed how much trouble out bigs have throwing a 3 foot back pass to our guards up top? Literally half get picked off

 

[RF2044]

This team has real talent. This isn't like last year where we had a bizarre combination of 4'10" players, headcases, big men with a 6" vertical leap, etc.

We have everything we need to succeed. We have shooters, ball handlers, low post players, high flying dunkers, genuine depth, etc. The coaching staff is simply failing at turning those pieces into success.

...which is why I stated earlier in this thread that the product we're seeing on the court = less than the sum of the individual parts.

Poor coaching is to blame.

If you took the VT coach and put him on our sidelines, we'd be a solid NCAA team. And if you took Red and put him on the VT sidelines, they wouldn't be.

Which, fundamentally, is the root of our problem. Any coach with any semblance of chops could coax more productivity out of this group. We have talent, size, athleticism, and depth. It is being underutilized.

 

[Newhouser]

...which is why I stated earlier in this thread that the product we're seeing on the court = less than the sum of the individual parts.

Poor coaching is to blame.

If you took the VT coach and put him on our sidelines, we'd be a solid NCAA team. And if you took Red and put him on the VT sidelines, they wouldn't be.

Which, fundamentally, is the root of our problem. Any coach with any semblance of chops could coax more productivity out of this group. We have talent, size, athleticism, and depth. It is being underutilized.

I too like the Va Tech coach mainly because his teams play hard. The way they played and he coached the last few minutes was Red-esque.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I too like the Va Tech coach mainly because his teams play hard. The way they played and he coached the last few minutes was Red-esque.

And there is something to be said about a coach who starts out in a nice sports coat and tie. Eventually loses the sports coat and when things get a little hectic, he loosens up the tie like it's 10 pm on a Friday and he started drinking at lunchtime.

Reminded me a little like Rollie but unfortunately without all the shtick. Rollie was a great coach. In retrospect, it was great for CBB that guys like he and Jimmy V were able to get national championships.

 

[RedtheGOB]

...which is why I stated earlier in this thread that the product we're seeing on the court = less than the sum of the individual parts.

Poor coaching is to blame.

If you took the VT coach and put him on our sidelines, we'd be a solid NCAA team. And if you took Red and put him on the VT sidelines, they wouldn't be.

Which, fundamentally, is the root of our problem. Any coach with any semblance of chops could coax more productivity out of this group. We have talent, size, athleticism, and depth. It is being underutilized.

This is true. The reality is that there is not some extreme difference though in the coaching.

Autry has lost 5 games by one possession this year so far. The VT coach or really many other coaches just find a way to squeeze a basket or 2 out of their guys. To do that you don’t need to be some hall of fame coach. just minor tweaks to the strategy and playcalling can get you there.

Hence why so much hate and frustration for Autry here. He’s not getting better and his players aren’t playing better for him.

 

[tbonezone]

So, the student section was chanting "Fire Autry" and complaining about coaching,

were they actually chanting it or just texting it to their friends ? cuz the whole chanting thing seems to be a bit ambitious for this generation. requires actual interaction with living beings in close proximity .

 

[Cusefan0307]

Too many SU fans are complacent. Every contribution and every ticket is an endorsement of how SU leadership runs the program. Serious programs would never tolerate this mess, in large part because their fans wouldn't permit it.

Judging by the attendance in recent years including last night the fans aren’t tolerating it nor are they complacent. If anyone’s complacent you can argue it’s some of the local media and current admin.