Fire Autry

[Scooch]

And if we do, three of the worst seasons in the past 50 years will have come in the last five seasons.

Difficult to wrap one's head around, after such a sustain. Of excellence under a Hall of Fame coach, lasting decades.

Precipitous decline.

It took a lonnnnng time for a lot of people to recognize our decline. There were a litany of excuses being made every step of the way going back to 2015. Some reasonable, many not. For 11 years.

Thankfully this is a sport where the right hire can turn things around in 1 season.

We desperately need that hire.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

And if we do, three of the worst seasons in the past 50 years will have come in the last five seasons.

Difficult to wrap one's head around, after such a sustain. Of excellence under a Hall of Fame coach, lasting decades.

Precipitous decline.

It's an entirely different era. JAB thrived on upperclassmen who didn't prove much their first couple years and then they blossomed.

But, in this era, it should actually be easier to flip a losing team. But, it gives even more credence to why they need to hire a proven winner. No time to screw around with someone who's never run a successful program.

 

[bnoro]

Shout out Dave in Watkins Glen

 

[tbonezone]

there is a certain creative freedom that comes with knowing that you can retire at any moment or worse knowing you're getting canned in 2 months. let's hope Red explores that creative space and discovers something new and exciting that's been shackled back by the burden of " i need this job" . cuz that's over. So use this moment Red to coach like there's no tomorrow ! spread the court and as the HOMBRES say...Let It All Hang Out . what you gonna loose ? your job ? it gone.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

It's an entirely different era. JAB thrived on upperclassmen who didn't prove much their first couple years and then they blossomed.

But, in this era, it should actually be easier to flip a losing team. But, it gives even more credence to why they need to hire a proven winner. No time to screw around with someone who's never run a successful program.

It’s a world where you gotta bring it every year. That really distinguishes those who can from those who can’t. Theres no lucking into much stuff any more

 

[44Wallace]

I can’t believe this is even being argued. Here’s why you fire him now… you fire him now because you want to retain your best players by lining up the next coach asap. If they remove Autry now, they can hire the next coach as soon as the season ends, and that next coach can work on task number one- retaining Donnie, Kiyan, Sadiq. Feelers for the next coach can be sent out (without breaking rules and as soon as that is possible).

This person can immediately assess needs and what’s available in the portal to address those needs. By not firing Red now we are watching the probability for a successful 2026-27 season drop by the day. Amazing that people think it’s a good idea to delay firing Red. All SU is doing is increasing the likelihood that next season is going to be another dud. All that being said, you end this awkward mess and pressure cooker we’re in right now with a lame duck coach who’s being humiliated by the fan base that’s chanting “fire Red” in-game, blasting him on social media and fan forums, along with player parents questioning his intelligence, etc.. All of this is insane. In the end I am so sad for all of us who dearly love this program and were spoiled for so many years with the success we’ve grown accustomed to. We don’t deserve this. Enough is enough. Fire him now.

 

[kingtidge]

I can’t believe this is even being argued. Here’s why you fire him now… you fire him now because you want to retain your best players by lining up the next coach asap. If they remove Autry now, you line up the next coach as soon as the season ends, and that next coach can work on task number one- retaining Donnie, Kiyan, Sadiq. Feelers for the next coach can be sent out (without breaking rules and as soon as that is possible).

This person can immediately assess needs and what’s available on the portal to address those needs. By not firing Red now we are watching the probability for a successful 2026-27 season drop by the day. Amazing that people think it’s a good idea to delay firing Red. All SU is doing is increasing the likelihood that next season is going to be another dud. All that being said, you end this awkward mess and pressure cooker we’re in right now with a lame duck coach who’s being humiliated by the fan base that’s chanting “fire Red” in-game, blasting him on social media and fan forums, player parents questioning his intelligence, etc.. All of this is insane. In the end I am so sad for all of us who dearly love this program and were so spoiled for so many years. We don’t deserve this. Enough is enough. Fire him now.

What if firing him him now or at end of season isn't the problem?

What if we simply can't hire a new coach at the end of the season?

What if we have to wait for the new chancellor situation to be sorted before the BOD allows any decisions to be made??

Lots of what ifs...

We're where we're at now because of bad decision, after bad decision, after bad decision by the administration. One thing we seem consistent at...

If JW is told to sit on his hands on a new hire and we're unprepared / not ready to make a new hire decision in a timely matter at season's end, would it be a real surprise??

It would be maddening to run back a terrible Red year 3 that ends with an embarrassing whimper... and then watch all the good coaching targets sign elsewhere while we wait on the a new Chancellor transition before we can do anything with the bball program.

Don't sleep on our ability to royally screw this up with our dysfunctional bureaucracy on the hill. There is PLENTY of past history of dysfunction to be concerned about this situation.

Here's hoping we're prepared to act swiftly and efficiently at the end of the season.

 

[JarHeadJim]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

What firing him him now or at end of season isn't the problem?

What if we simply can't hire a new coach at the end of the season?

What if we have to wait for the new chancellor situation to be sorted before the BOD allows any decisions to be made??

Lots of what ifs...

We're where we're at now because of bad decision, after bad decision, after bad decision by the administration. One thing we seem consistent at...

If JW is told to sit on his hands and we're unprepared / not ready to make this decision in a timely matter at season's end, would it be a real surprise??

It would be maddening to run back a terrible year 3 that ends with an embarrassing whimper... and then watch all the good coaching targets sign elsewhere while we wait on the a new Chancellor transition before we can do anything with the bball program.

Don't sleep on our ability to royally screw this up with our dysfunctional bureaucracy on the hill.

Here's hoping we're prepared to act swiftly and efficiently at the end of the season.

What if everyone orders takeout from the same Chinese restaurant and they run out of chopsticks?

Syverud announced that he was "retiring" last August.

Syracuse University Chancellor Kent Syverud will step down next year

The school announced Syverud's decision on Tuesday.

www.syracuse.com

SU already has a replacement candidate lined up.

There's nothing to be sorted.

You really think that Wildhack will be prevented from firing Red until July 1? I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[kingtidge]

What if everyone orders takeout from the same Chinese restaurant and they run out of chopsticks?

Syverud announced that he was "retiring" last August.

Syracuse University Chancellor Kent Syverud will step down next year

The school announced Syverud's decision on Tuesday.

www.syracuse.com

SU already has a replacement candidate lined up.

There's nothing to be sorted.

You really think that Wildhack will be prevented from firing Red until July 1? I've got a bridge to sell you.

Not worried about firing... Worried about hiring.

With no Chancellor in place, who knows what sort of BOD action or non-action/dysfunction we may be in store for?

Tell me your fortune cookie fortune. We should go with that.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not worried about firing... Worried about hiring.

With no Chancellor in place, who knows what sort of BOD action or non-action/dysfunction we may be in store for?

Tell me your fortune cookie fortune. We should go with that.

Order the Won Hung Lo with a side order of Hoo Flung Poo.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

That's "Pro Bowl QB" Shedeur Sanders.

 

[kingtidge]

Order the Won Hung Lo with a side order of Hoo Flung Poo.

Not gonna lie... Was hoping for some sort of chow fun...

Love a good chow fun, me.

 

[kingtidge]

That's "Pro Bowl QB" Shedeur Sanders.

Also Colorado Football Hall of Fame QB, Shadeur Sanders...

It was a nice touch that they inducted him into the HOF his senior year.

 

[JarHeadJim]

 

[ezbeezy214]

What’s the concern with a mid season firing?

There is none

 

[dollarbill44]

Autry was put in an impossible situation by being brought back for his 3rd year. ADJW did him no favors. He was not going to succeed and now the fan base has turned on him.

His success was entirely up to him. This team has the talent to win. But, while the roster improved, the coaching did not. I think most of us wanted him to grow into a good coach, but the growth is not evident. This team makes all the same mistakes of the past two teams.

 

[dollarbill44]

Who would coach the team? I think that it COULD also send a message to the next candidate "Hey look, they fired that guy mid season"

Yeah, because he wasn't good. I d9nt want us to hire a coach who is already concerned about getting fired.
Most coaches are getting hired because the guy before him got fired.

 

[LAorange44]

Seriously. If a candidate is worried about the circumstances of the previous guy getting fired their eyes are not on the ball. A winning coach is going in with the mindset that he will be winning not worried about the bare minimum not to get fired.

 

[RedtheGOB]

The Midseason firing option is looked at by most bureaucrats as meaning gross negligence or scandal is occurring. Most bureaucrats are hacks though. One could argue negligence is has and is occurring right now with the coaching, but if the players are taken at their word they still like Autry.

My gut tells me that he will be told he's done after UNC. That's his last chance to pull a rabbit out of his hat and go out on a strong note but not like it will save him anyway. Just would be a nice sendoff, his first year UNC was his biggest and only solid win as well. Whether they announce it or not is another story.

There is a bye week after UNC and only 1 more home game against Pitt that will bring in about 50 people to the dome. That's alot of time for the decisionmakers to plan out his exit.

 

[richard levy]

Patrick McEnroe, talking about Rafael Nadal;
"Because he recognized his flaws, he also had more of a willingness to try different things. He tinkered with his serve all the time. He was always moving an inch here or an inch there. He was open to change."

Are there any signs that Autry has done anything different in his nearly three years?

 

[JeremyCuse]

The Midseason firing option is looked at by most bureaucrats as meaning gross negligence or scandal is occurring. Most bureaucrats are hacks though. One could argue negligence is has and is occurring right now with the coaching, but if the players are taken at their word they still like Autry.

My gut tells me that he will be told he's done after UNC. That's his last chance to pull a rabbit out of his hat and go out on a strong note but not like it will save him anyway. Just would be a nice sendoff, his first year UNC was his biggest and only solid win as well. Whether they announce it or not is another story.

There is a bye week after UNC and only 1 more home game against Pitt that will bring in about 50 people to the dome. That's alot of time for the decisionmakers to plan out his exit.

There's no exit to plan, the die is cast, Red is gone as soon as the season ends. He won't be let go during the season (right or wrong).

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Patrick McEnroe, talking about Rafael Nadal;
"Because he recognized his flaws, he also had more of a willingness to try different things. He tinkered with his serve all the time. He was always moving an inch here or an inch there. He was open to change."

Are there any signs that Autry has done anything different in his nearly three years?

In order to change you have to be able to (1) identify what needs to change, (2) develop the solution, and (3) implement it.

Red isn’t capable of any of those things.

 

[RedtheGOB]

There's no exit to plan, the die is cast, Red is gone as soon as the season ends. He won't be let go during the season (right or wrong).

I agree, it's just the specifics of who finds out when through end of Feb and early March.

 

[44Wallace]

What if firing him him now or at end of season isn't the problem?

What if we simply can't hire a new coach at the end of the season?

What if we have to wait for the new chancellor situation to be sorted before the BOD allows any decisions to be made??

Lots of what ifs...

We're where we're at now because of bad decision, after bad decision, after bad decision by the administration. One thing we seem consistent at...

If JW is told to sit on his hands on a new hire and we're unprepared / not ready to make a new hire decision in a timely matter at season's end, would it be a real surprise??

It would be maddening to run back a terrible Red year 3 that ends with an embarrassing whimper... and then watch all the good coaching targets sign elsewhere while we wait on the a new Chancellor transition before we can do anything with the bball program.

Don't sleep on our ability to royally screw this up with our dysfunctional bureaucracy on the hill. There is PLENTY of past history of dysfunction to be concerned about this situation.

Here's hoping we're prepared to act swiftly and efficiently at the end of the season.

If other unknowns like the chancellor vacancy get in the way, then so be it, but it does not change my overall point, which is to do it as soon as possible.