Freeh Report confirms the worst

[Cheriehoop]

That's something coming from Bobby not exactly a king of moral behavior at Free Shoe University.

Maybe that's a hint of how really bad this scandal is, don't you think? Makes any of Bowden's sins seem pretty trivial in comparison.

 

[rrlbees]

Thr problem is there has never been a coach with more to lose in terms of reputation.

Because a person should put their reputation ahead of 10 year old boys being raped.

How about doing the right thing on day 1 two decades ago? His rep could have been even more. But no, hr had to protect the program so one cover up led to another and another. Paterno put his own rep at risk.

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[JD]

I'm not condoning it, I would have beaten Sandusky to death myself but he spent his whole life building something and he was damned if he was going to see his legacy trashed. It is fairly sick but I can see where he was coming from.

 

[omniorange]

Actually, I'd make the argument that this isn't loss of institutional control at all.

The institution was controlled extremely well.

For all the wrong things.

Understood and an ESPN commenter just made a similar statement.

But in reality, lack of institutional control is meant to convey the fact that athletics take precedent over other facets of the institution to the point where a coach or an AD is in control of situations that a university president should be taking the lead.

This, to me, is a clear and distinct case of "lack of institutional control" since JoePa had far too much sway over how PSU administrators from the president on down to the AD responded.

But time will tell. It seems to me that the NCAA is already setting up the "lie" that this is beyond their jurisdiction and their by-laws.

Does anyone with common sense truly believe these events went unreported for any other reason than to protect PSU football?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Stern]

after this report ANYONE and I mean ANYONE who tries to defend Paterno is just totally lost and clueless. I don't care how much money he gave to PSU, charities, or other good will causes. I don't care how much his former players love him for the man they "thought" he was all of those years.

Paterno was a bad person and I hope he is in HELL. He was the "getaway driver" essentially helping Sandusky get away with it for all these years and doing nothing and when things got hot and people were catching on to Sandusky he then went beyond the call of duty to squash/cover up the information. His family instead of trying to defend him should just shut up and say "we are sorry we didn't know" or just say nothing. They are defending something that is indefensible and they are looking more like a bunch of lunatics by the day.

Is the PSU website still selling pictures of JoePa's statue with all the candles and flowers around it after his death? Still profiting off of "child rape" which JoePa played a part in by helping in the cover up? What a joke!

 

[javadoc]

How about doing the right thing on day 1 two decades ago? His rep could have been even more.

Excellent point, and true.

 

[rrlbees]

But time will tell. It seems to me that the NCAA is already setting up the "lie" that this is beyond their jurisdiction and their by-laws.

Cheers,
Neil

Explain what you mean please. Setting up the 'lie"?

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[tipphill]

I wouldn't expect it to. The report of what I have read so far is pretty much garbage. A rehash of what people already knew if they had been paying attention. The report appears to have ignored others that were culpable and is protecting them, such as the BOT and politicians. It doesn't go far enough. They should follow the money which will take them not only from PedSt to 2nd mile but also the BOT to 2nd mile and maybe even some of the investigators on the Freeh task.

I'll repeat something that a person at PedSt told me years ago. Joe Paterno is Penn St but he is also Happy Valley.

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always follow the money if posible

 

[omniorange]

Explain what you mean please. Setting up the 'lie"?

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We've already had reports by Joe Schad that three lead NCAA investigators have informed him that nothing in this report would result in a violation of the NCAA's "institutional control" by-laws while a fourth said that with a lot of twisting and massaging it might involve an ethics and moral violation of the NCAA code.

The NCAA, imho, has proven itself toothless over the past couple of decades and through these investigators it is obvious to me that they are setting the groundwork for a damnation of sound but little fury, minor penalties (whatever the institution itself recommends), and then proceed as business as usual.

I'm extremely skeptical of the NCAA ever coming down hard on a huge public university like OSU, PSU, Michigan, UT, etc.

I'll never see it in my lifetime.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[rrlbees]

We've already had reports by Joe Schad that three lead NCAA investigators have informed him that nothing in this report would result in a violation of the NCAA's "institutional control" by-laws while a fourth said that with a lot of twisting and massaging it might involve an ethics and moral violation of the NCAA code.

The NCAA, imho, has proven itself toothless over the past couple of decades and through these investigators it is obvious to me that they are setting the groundwork for a damnation of sound but little fury, minor penalties (whatever the institution itself recommends), and then proceed as business as usual.

I'm extremely skeptical of the NCAA ever coming down hard on a huge public university like OSU, PSU, Michigan, UT, etc.

I'll never see it in my lifetime.

Cheers,
Neil

Gotcha. Though that is counter to what their letter in November said and their statement today said. Which could be all bluster.

 

[javadoc]

We've already had reports by Joe Schad that three lead NCAA investigators have informed him that nothing in this report would result in a violation of the NCAA's "institutional control" by-laws while a fourth said that with a lot of twisting and massaging it might involve an ethics and moral violation of the NCAA code.

This is weaselhood at its finest. Doesn't take any twisting and massaging at all. The Bylaw spelling out an affirmative duty to act morally, given the special nature of the relationship between athletics staff and impressionable youths, might as well read as an incorporation of the criminal law in this case.

 

[kingtidge]

Ugh.

Read it again.

Many felt at tha time that the case should be pursued. But the Seasock report which many found perplexing prevented the prosecution.

Thats not my conclusion - that what the report says.

As I stated, I have read it.

• One person in the report stated Seasock's report "hampered" a prosecution. It was a rep. from the local victims support service. Not anyone from the DA's office and not a legal opinion.
• The DA at the time had mysteriously disappeared in 1998 and was later presumed dead
• The assigned prosecutor at the time from the DA's office refused to comment on the seasock report or any other matters surrounding Sandusky to Freeh

You say the report prevented the prosecution.

Chamber's is already on record stating she felt her report was sufficient.

So, from a legal perspective, the Seasock prevented the prosecution of the case how exactly?

And why wouldn't anyone from the DA's office explain why?

Freeh wasn't able to determine that since no one from the DA's office would comment to him.

How is it that you know?

 

[WickedOrange]

Addressing the access to training and workout facilities, Paterno wrote, "Is this for personal use or 2nd Mile kids. No to 2nd Mile kids. Liability problem."

FU JoePa

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-blame-freeh-report-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-tarnished-legacy.html

 

[44PRIDE]

The NCAA has lost all credibility. They are an empty suit.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Just saying Bobby should not be throwing stones because his closet is fully of skeletons. Hell no one knows what they would do in a similar situation. You would like to think that you would report it but who knows what would happen when your life's work was threatened. I'm not trying to justify it but just playing Devil's advocate.

Compared to the skeletons in PSU guys' closets, Bowden has unconvincing Halloween decorations.


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[longtimefan]

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! was on Van Pelt's show today, and he made a devastating point which I hadn't heard before (or maybe he just approached the situation from a different perspective).

He said that he is sick of hearing people say that Paterno did great things for all the men who played for him. That those athletes were adult, strong, and intelligent, and really didn't need his help ("They would have done fine if they had played for Bo Schembechler.") It was the 10-year-old troubled kids who ended up at the 2nd Mile who needed help. And Joe was nowhere to be found.

 

[rrlbees]

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! was on Van Pelt's show today, and he made a devastating point which I hadn't heard before (or maybe he just approached the situation from a different perspective).

He said that he is sick of hearing people say that Paterno did great things for all the men who played for him. That those athletes were adult, strong, and intelligent, and really didn't need his help ("They would have done fine if they had played for Bo Schembechler.") It was the 10-year-old troubled kids who ended up at the 2nd Mile who needed help. And Joe was nowhere to be found.

Just posted his excellent article which makes that point only in more depth.

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[Scooch]

The NCAA shouldn't have to come down on PSU, they should have the good sense and morals to do it themselves. Shut down the football program for a year or 3, arrange it so all the players can transfer immediately without sitting out, refund all the donations that have POURED in the past 8 moths, etc.

And yes, if you're curious, if the scope of the Fine situation were as broad, and SU handled it in similar ways, I'd say the exact same thing about our hoops program. These are academic institutions.

What a sick, sick culture college athletics has become.

 

[Chip]

I have absolutely no idea what "jurisdition" the NCAA has, but if they're going to punt on this one then can they please just fold up shop on regulating absolutely anything from now on?

I mean how on Earth can anyone take such diddly-squat issues as coaches texting recruits during the wrong week, or boosters getting a player a car, seriously when one of the premiere collegiate athletic departments in the country is allowed to cover up a pedophile for a decade?

My favorite quote in this entire thread is (to paraphrase) that experts do not think the Lack of Institutional Control provision applies here.

Really? Is that because it's so insane that it blew that rule right away and they have to come up with a new name for this one?

 

[007]

My favorite quote in this entire thread is (to paraphrase) that experts do not think the Lack of Institutional Control provision applies here.

Really? Is that because it's so insane that it blew that rule right away and they have to come up with a new name for this one?

The greater good of the football program controlled the institution all the way up to the president. There should be a picture of the Nittany Lion next to the lack of institutional control clause in the NCAA handbook.

 

[OrangePA]

As I stated, I have read it.

• One person in the report stated Seasock's report "hampered" a prosecution. It was a rep. from the local victims support service. Not anyone from the DA's office and not a legal opinion.
• The DA at the time had mysteriously disappeared in 1998 and was later presumed dead
• The assigned prosecutor at the time from the DA's office refused to comment on the seasock report or any other matters surrounding Sandusky to Freeh

You say the report prevented the prosecution.

Chamber's is already on record stating she felt her report was sufficient.

So, from a legal perspective, the Seasock prevented the prosecution of the case how exactly?

And why wouldn't anyone from the DA's office explain why?

Freeh wasn't able to determine that since no one from the DA's office would comment to him.

How is it that you know?

Ugh - this brutal.

What exactly is your point.

Are you trying to prove that Seasock was right - that his conclusion was the right one?

The police wanted to prosecute as did others including Chambers. The Seasock report clearly was a problem for a prosecution. The lead investigator for the County - the expert refutes the nption that Sandusky committed a crime. I was a DA - I can assure you that the observation on the report that Seasock report doomed a prosecution.

And if wasnt what the heck is your point?

I really have no idea what you're arguing about.

 

[rrlbees]

Ugh - this brutal.

What exactly is your point.

Are you trying to prove that Seasock was right - that his conclusion was the right one?

The police wanted to prosecute as did others including Chambers. The Seasock report clearly was a problem for a prosecution. The lead investigator for the County - the expert refutes the nption that Sandusky committed a crime. I was a DA - I can assure you that the observation on the report that Seasock report doomed a prosecution.

And if wasnt what the heck is your point?

I really have no idea what you're arguing about.

Come on man. I understand the point you are trying to make but you're missing the real point. There were 2 psyche reports. Chalmers and Seasock. Their conclusions were opposite. So why didn't the FA use the Chalmer one? Perhaps they went with the Seasock one because it fit with what they wanted, which was a coverup. People were on take. Get it? There's no other explanation as to why they ignored the other report in a case as vile as this.

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[tipphill]

Ugh - this brutal.

What exactly is your point.

Are you trying to prove that Seasock was right - that his conclusion was the right one?

The police wanted to prosecute as did others including Chambers. The Seasock report clearly was a problem for a prosecution. The lead investigator for the County - the expert refutes the nption that Sandusky committed a crime. I was a DA - I can assure you that the observation on the report that Seasock report doomed a prosecution.

And if wasnt what the heck is your point?

I really have no idea what you're arguing about.

the lead investigator for the county---exactly

 

[KaiserUEO]

can somebody get jay paterno to shut up??

good lord listening to him defend everything its annoying as all hell.

 

[OburgOrange]

That's because they all knew well before the 1998 incident.

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I always thought it odd that Sandusky retired when he did, At the time, he was "Head Coach In Waiting", ...and then - he up and retired! Thought it was very strange