FSU/Tennessee cautionary tale

[PhatOrange]

good article. Tennessee hasn't finished in the top 20 since 2007? Who knew. Wow.

If you want Mike Norvell out, remember: FSU football could become another Tennessee

Though Florida State coach Mike Norvell’s job does not appear to be in immediate danger, the questions about his long-term future will intensify if his Seminoles lose to Louisville to start 0-4 for the first time since 1974. He’ll earn all the scrutiny he receives. But another in-state game this...

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[texascpa]

And yet, each year, the experts state "I expect Tennessee to be really good this year. I see an 8-4, 9-3 season. Great Coach, great recruits" blah, blah, blah

 

[DuxburyO]

1998 Tennessee can kiss my orange a$$.

I hope both these programs reach UConn depths.

 

[orangenauburn]

good article. Tennessee hasn't finished in the top 20 since 2007? Who knew. Wow.

If you want Mike Norvell out, remember: FSU football could become another Tennessee

Though Florida State coach Mike Norvell’s job does not appear to be in immediate danger, the questions about his long-term future will intensify if his Seminoles lose to Louisville to start 0-4 for the first time since 1974. He’ll earn all the scrutiny he receives. But another in-state game this...

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Greg was a disaster, but Doug got us out. His leaving set us back again, and Scott was a mistake that put us back to square one as we entered a new conference.

I think Wildhack gets the gist of the article and is going to stick by Dino through thick and thin, and will let Dino coach another year no matter what

 

[PhatOrange]

Greg was a disaster, but Doug got us out. His leaving set us back again, and Scott was a mistake that put us back to square one as we entered a new conference.

I think Wildhack gets the gist of the article and is going to stick by Dino through thick and thin, and will let Dino coach another year no matter what

The roster is starting to stabilize itself to. We'll see what happens...really hope we can get to a bowl game this year.

 

[SWC75]

How about Syracuse? Did 2018 really happen?

And U of Miami?

And Texas?

Churning the coaching staff can be disastrous if you don't get the right guy.

 

[MikeSU02]

How about Syracuse? Did 2018 really happen?

And U of Miami?

And Texas?

Churning the coaching staff can be disastrous if you don't get the right guy.

Not only can churn be disastrous as you mentioned, but there are situations where it can never even have a shot to succeed. It can start out on the wrong foot so easily bc programs all think they are worthy of getting a Nick Saban/Urban Meyer-level guy.

Then reality hits.

Then they don't give the new person (that was like the program's fifth choice and probably the fans' 100th choice) enough time or support to get back to being able to win at a high level.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

None of the above is a commentary on Dino, btw. I'm just saying, in general.

Getting a program to the level where it's consistently winning at a high level is very hard. It takes a lot of support, especially financially, the right coach and staff, the right AD and still you need to get a bit lucky.

Honestly, I wish I appreciated the P years more than I did. I used to think winning only 6 games was a travesty and if we won less than that the world would just explode.

 

[SWC75]

Not only can churn be disastrous as you mentioned, but there are situations where it can never even have a shot to succeed. It can start out on the wrong foot so easily bc programs all think they are worthy of getting a Nick Saban/Urban Meyer-level guy.

Then reality hits.

Then they don't give the new person (that was like the program's fifth choice and probably the fans' 100th choice) enough time or support to get back to being able to win at a high level.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

None of the above is a commentary on Dino, btw. I'm just saying, in general.

Getting a program to the level where it's consistently winning at a high level is very hard. It takes a lot of support, especially financially, the right coach and staff, the right AD and still you need to get a bit lucky.

Honestly, I wish I appreciated the P years more than I did. I used to think winning only 6 games was a travesty and if we won less than that the world would just explode.

I hope to someday be disappointed with 6 wins again. (And we shoulda won more than that!)

 

[BVille44]

I think Dino could be here long term if he would bring in an OC that’s is not tied to his system like he did with the DC Tony White.

Dino should take a hands off approach with a new OC and become the CEO of the program.

 

[qdawgg]

I think Dino could be here long term if he would bring in an OC that’s is not tied to his system like he did with the DC Tony White.

Dino should take a hands off approach with a new OC and become the CEO of the program.

I think the difference is he didn’t come in with a defensive system, whereas he was hired partially because he’s an offensive guy. Not sure if he would or wouldn’t take a hands off approach or not. He might be now and that’s why the play calling is so poor.

 

[hoopsupstate]

This article is exactly why I don’t want to go through my sixth coaching transition. I hope Dino turns it around this year. We’re finally getting a roster that’s starting to develop some depth. A coaching change wipes that all out.

 

[UnknownOrange]

HCDB '22. Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Eh, can't be afraid to change.

When you're down, chances are you'll stay down.

 

[Briancuse]

And yet, each year, the experts state "I expect Tennessee to be really good this year. I see an 8-4, 9-3 season. Great Coach, great recruits" blah, blah, blah

Tennessee is in impossible situation. Georgia and Florida have it rolling right now. Bama their sec west rival has it on 90s Yankees dynasty mode. Peyton Manning ain't walking through that door unless he wants to.coach them.

 

[Chip]

Eh, can't be afraid to change.

When you're down, chances are you'll stay down.

Yeah, I think everyone is challenging the definition of insanity.

 

[Bayside44]

Yeah, I think everyone is challenging the definition of insanity.

It's easy to fire people. Can probably even make a TV show out of it that people will like.

 

[OrangePA]

I hope to someday be disappointed with 6 wins again. (And we shoulda won more than that!)

Pasqualoni won 107 games in 14 years or an average of 7.6 games per year.

 

[Dcuse]

Eh, can't be afraid to change.

When you're down, chances are you'll stay down.

This is the thinking that keeps the revolving door moving and the program in the same place.

 

[Scooch]

This is the thinking that keeps the revolving door moving and the program in the same place.

Eh, it’s all more complicated than that. Obviously some programs churn through coaches too quickly. And some stick with coaches too long.

In our case, we have a guy who will have six years under his belt when the season ends. I hope we have some success this year, and I’m done calling for coaches heads, but It’s hard for me to see how six seasons isn’t a fair amount of time for a program to see tangibly improved performance.

 

[MadNY3]

I think Dino could be here long term if he would bring in an OC that’s is not tied to his system like he did with the DC Tony White.

Dino should take a hands off approach with a new OC and become the CEO of the program.

This could be JW’s biggest need this off-season: convincing someone not acting like a CEO to do so. That’s a tough, tough call and not necessarily a recipe for success.

 

[djorange1989]

Pasqualoni won 107 games in 14 years or an average of 7.6 games per year.

He was very good, the bad losses the last few years did him in and Gross thought he could make us into USC East

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is the thinking that keeps the revolving door moving and the program in the same place.

Well, no, but ok.

 

[kcsu]

He was very good, the bad losses the last few years did him in and Gross thought he could make us into USC East

Gross wasn't given a choice. The idiot smurf made the call

 

[djorange1989]

Gross wasn't given a choice. The idiot smurf made the call

I don’t know, I saw him on ESPN at halftime of the Champs Bowl, he sure as hell sounded like a guy who wanted to fire P too

 

[Whitey23]

The program is at the bottom of the Power 5
Dino’s offense is a dud
Recruiting is at the bottom of the conference
What are the benefits of keeping him and the status quo?