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FSU vs The ACC

TheCusian said:
I wonder if the money hose gets turned down at the same time as normally elite programs finish with 3-4 wins and viewership takes a hit if we’ll see cooler heads reign.

“Let’s have 1 tv contract for 64 teams, regionally protected rivalries, and a governing body to ensure fair play”

How good does that sound?
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Make it 76 teams sounds good
 
kcsu said:
Make it 76 teams sounds good
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The Super Powers would not have agreed to that number even 10 years ago. Now, I doubt they'll agree to more than 48 total. 64 would be wonderful.
 
HtownOrange said:
The GORs were at or near the end of the deal.

The Pac 12 agreement was being negotiated and they were offered $30MM/team (roughly). USC and UCLA didn't like the number. They and the B£1G agreed upon having them move into the B1G when the deal was done. USC and UCLA looked into breaking the GOR a year early and decided otherwise.

UT and OU were several years out and made the agreement with the SEC to join once the deal was done. Then UT and OU looked into bolting early and decided against it. UT and OU were able to bolt a year early because of developing circumstances which made it convenient for the Big 12 to let them leave, both agreed to pay 2.1X the annual TV revenue.

NOTE: HRE has an article alleging someone else will pay the money UT and OU owe, but no actual sources from the parties have documented such. It probably won't be available until after everything is said and done.

NOTE: this why I believe Any team wishing to break the GOR has a starting point of 2.1X the annual TV payout. This, FSU should bargain at $1,056,200,000.00. or $130MM withdrawal fee and $926MM TV rights buy back , using FSU's number, which may be low.
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SC and UCLA left before the Pac had any numbers. SC just wanted out and was able to persuade UCLA to make the same move.
 
HtownOrange said:
I agree in part, many of the rich like to flaunt their power ,along with wealth. However, the wise always look to the future in near, midrange, and long terms.

I think this is why most SEC teams are not clamoring to oust Vandy, in spite of Saban's idiocy. To claim dominance a team must beat all comers. The top teams must beat top level and mid level team, we can assume they will beat the low level teams. But the mid level teams are not mid level if there are no low level teams. Thus, a need for Vandy. Also, a need for lesser conferences to supply additional victories to put up the middle level teams.

Without this supply, the SEC truly would beat each other up and likely never have an undefeated champion. As it stands, there are eleven teams who have competed at the championship level over the last few decades. The SEC will need a source for more wins, probably internal and external.

That is why I believe a minimum number of teams is closer to 100 than 64. I think long term, everyone knows they will need one contract to include all bowl series teams, like the professional leagues have. The goal in the near term is to make what you can, get as far ahead and then make the one-contract deal when necessary. Also, at that point, regionalism can prevail and we can get back to local rivalries. Just another take on CFB...
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The BT and SEC will agree that all teams that get playoffs get the same ,money for that. They will never agree that all leagues, whether ACC or Sunbelt, can get the same TV dollars they get.
 
HtownOrange said:
sports.yahoo.com

Sources: NCAA levies significant penalties on Florida State for NIL recruiting violations

The NCAA is expected to levy significant penalties on FSU in the most serious and unprecedented sanctions handed down in the first 2 1/2 years of NIL.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

Is this the real reason FSU wants into the SEC... :cool:

(Just being a wise guy, have fun bashing FSU)
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Switch the playoff snub, they are being shown that being in the ACC cannot protect you. Only with the P2 can you get passes.
 
Halfway through January, with the game dates of the schedule due on the 31st,

accsports.com

Future ACC football schedules revealed - ACCSports.com

The ACC announced it's new scheduling format for conference matchups from 2024 to 2030. See the breakdown of schedules and conference champs.
accsports.com accsports.com

Can we conclude that FSU will not be granted their demand for retroactive notice to leave in June?

Anyway, no significant progress on FSU's part.
 
qdawgg said:
Love this!

www.espn.com

ACC filing accuses FSU of breach of contract

The ACC accused Florida State of breaking promises when the Seminoles legally challenged an agreement that binds the school to the league for the next dozen years.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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I could not be happier with this response, agreed. Effin FSU. The ACC needs to take everything from them.
 
qdawgg said:
Love this!

www.espn.com

ACC filing accuses FSU of breach of contract

The ACC accused Florida State of breaking promises when the Seminoles legally challenged an agreement that binds the school to the league for the next dozen years.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Strongly suggests that a settlement will be the end game; with this kind of rhetoric and denying FSU voting rights hard to see everyone happily (or even unhappily) co-existing going forward.
Key question is whether the settlement will be so painful for FSU that others will be dissuaded from trying to exit.
 
Willy75 said:
Strongly suggests that a settlement will be the end game; with this kind of rhetoric and denying FSU voting rights hard to see everyone happily (or even unhappily) co-existing going forward.
Key question is whether the settlement will be so painful for FSU that others will be dissuaded from trying to exit.
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Actually I don't see this setting up as a settlement situation. ACC to me resides in the position of strength. I don't think there's any benefit to the ACC to acquiesce to a settlement, at least given the information available at this moment.
 
Willy75 said:
Strongly suggests that a settlement will be the end game; with this kind of rhetoric and denying FSU voting rights hard to see everyone happily (or even unhappily) co-existing going forward.
Key question is whether the settlement will be so painful for FSU that others will be dissuaded from trying to exit.
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Cusefan69 said:
Actually I don't see this setting up as a settlement situation. ACC to me resides in the position of strength. I don't think there's any benefit to the ACC to acquiesce to a settlement, at least given the information available at this moment.
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Whereas I'm convinced a settlement will be the final result, the ACC really needs to play hardball here. No quick settlements. There's no need to. That's why the original preemptive filing and this current filing were the smart plays. Lay the groundwork for settling, but on the league's terms, not FSU's.

FSU.
 
Cusefan69 said:
Actually I don't see this setting up as a settlement situation. ACC to me resides in the position of strength. I don't think there's any benefit to the ACC to acquiesce to a settlement, at least given the information available at this moment.
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FSU has handled this whole situation about as bad as could be. I think it is a 50/50 odds now that the B1G actually accepts them now as their presidents have to vote and there will be some ”no“ votes now. The SEC doesn’t want them. So where do they go now if the B1G votes “no” and after hemmerging cash to the ACC? B12 or Independent? FSU doesn’t have the cash so will they bankrupt the school over this?

The ACC is indeed in a position of strength here.
 
orange79 said:
Whereas I'm convinced a settlement will be the final result, the ACC really needs to play hardball here. No quick settlements. There's no need to. That's why the original preemptive filing and this current filing were the smart plays. Lay the groundwork for settling, but on the league's terms, not FSU's.

FSU.
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If I'm the ACC, and it seems like momentum is swinging FSU's way in favor of breaking the GOR, if I'm the ACC, I go scorched earth an implead ESPN as a third party defendant. ESPN has already screwed the ACC, and actively continues to undermine the league.
 
IthacaMatt said:
If I'm the ACC, and it seems like momentum is swinging FSU's way in favor of breaking the GOR, if I'm the ACC, I go scorched earth an implead ESPN as a third party defendant. ESPN has already screwed the ACC, and actively continues to undermine the league.
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How are they undermining the league, and why? They own half of the ACCN. That makes no financial sense.
 
IthacaMatt said:
If I'm the ACC, and it seems like momentum is swinging FSU's way in favor of breaking the GOR, if I'm the ACC, I go scorched earth an implead ESPN as a third party defendant. ESPN has already screwed the ACC, and actively continues to undermine the league.
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What?
 
orange79 said:
Whereas I'm convinced a settlement will be the final result, the ACC really needs to play hardball here. No quick settlements. There's no need to. That's why the original preemptive filing and this current filing were the smart plays. Lay the groundwork for settling, but on the league's terms, not FSU's.

FSU.
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Why should the ACC settle? They should take this through the entire process. Drag it out for as long as it takes to win. If possible hold back money and take away all rights. Basically take them down. FFSU.
 
kcsu said:
Why should the ACC settle? They should take this through the entire process. Drag it out for as long as it takes to win. If possible hold back money and take away all rights. Basically take them down. FFSU.
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And eventually end up settling. On their terms, not FFSU's.

That's how I see it.
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No settlement. No nothing.

In five years they can work their way back into some of the committees.
At least until then, everyone else in the conference will be rooting against them.

By that time their current football wave will have crashed again.

FSU!
 
IthacaMatt said:
If I'm the ACC, and it seems like momentum is swinging FSU's way in favor of breaking the GOR, if I'm the ACC, I go scorched earth an implead ESPN as a third party defendant. ESPN has already screwed the ACC, and actively continues to undermine the league.
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I think you can implead ESPN without necessarily saying they've done anything wrong. That's because FSU's actions are impacting the media rights contract.
 
kcsu said:
Why should the ACC settle? They should take this through the entire process. Drag it out for as long as it takes to win. If possible hold back money and take away all rights. Basically take them down. FFSU.
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It's irrational for the ACC not to keep an open mind on settlement since the GOR issue is existential for the league. Any deal would have to acknowledge the validity of the GOR and be for a very big $$ number, sufficient to dissuade any further challenges.
Letting FSU buy their way out for say $1B would be a "settlement " since the league documents don't allow for any buyout at all.
 
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