FSU vs The ACC

[HtownOrange]

Great analysis! At what point does he tell FSU, "I'm cutting you loose; I have ambulances to chase"?

I am guessing right about the time the FSU BOT has to approve the sixth or seventh bill for outside counsel and they realize the litigation is going nowhere fast.

 

[shantydaze]

There has been some discussion here about why ESPN has not filed a motion to intervene in the FSU case(s). If I had a client with an interest in a matter, there is no way I would advocate wasting money trying to intervene in a case in which a motion to dismiss has been filed as it makes more sense to allow the original parties/court determine whether and where the litigation is going to move forward before becoming involved. (also, it is unlikely the court would consider the motion to intervene until after deciding the motion to dismiss). Sometimes in litigation, patience is actually a virtue.

 

[kirbivore]

There has been some discussion here about why ESPN has not filed a motion to intervene in the FSU case(s). If I had a client with an interest in a matter, there is no way I would advocate wasting money trying to intervene in a case in which a motion a motion to dismiss has been filed as it makes more sense to allow the original parties/court determine whether and where the litigation is going to move forward before becoming involved. (also, it is unlikely the court would consider the motion to intervene until after deciding the motion to dismiss). Sometime in litigation, patience is actually a virtue.

Not a real high level of patience is needed on ESPN's part since their opponent has the same level of delayed gratification as a 3 yr old throwing a fit in the candy aisle.

 

[HtownOrange]

I don't have time for a full search, though I checked the 2nd Circuit Court records to see whether FSU has amended their complain as to personal jurisdiction over the ACC. I saw nothing conclusive. The court can be slow filing records, though.

I did think this would trigger news agencies but a quick Google search came up empty.

If any internet sleuths wish to find something, please provide links.

 

[orange79]

I don't have time for a full search, though I checked the 2nd Circuit Court records to see whether FSU has amended their complain as to personal jurisdiction over the ACC. I saw nothing conclusive. The court can be slow filing records, though.

I did think this would trigger news agencies but a quick Google search came up empty.

If any internet sleuths wish to find something, please provide links.

The only recent news I could find was this - essentially crying publicly "ThE AcC Is mAkInG Us sOoOo pOoR"

FSU Seminoles Eye $327M From Revenue Bonds Amid ACC Fight

FSU athletics is eyeing $327 million in new bonds, backed by Seminoles revenue, as administrators speak openly about falling behind financially.

www.sportico.com

 

[orangefog]

The only recent news I could find was this - essentially crying publicly "ThE AcC Is mAkInG Us sOoOo pOoR"

FSU Seminoles Eye $327M From Revenue Bonds Amid ACC Fight

FSU athletics is eyeing $327 million in new bonds, backed by Seminoles revenue, as administrators speak openly about falling behind financially.

www.sportico.com

 

[oldpinepoint]

I don't have time for a full search, though I checked the 2nd Circuit Court records to see whether FSU has amended their complain as to personal jurisdiction over the ACC. I saw nothing conclusive. The court can be slow filing records, though.

I did think this would trigger news agencies but a quick Google search came up empty.

If any internet sleuths wish to find something, please provide links.

I usually go to the ACC Reddit, they haven’t heard anything yet either

 

[orange79]

Clemson Brief asks for Dismissal of ACC Case

CLEMSON — Clemson University filed a brief in support of a motion to dismiss in Mecklenburg County, N.C., on Monday requesting the court to support the motion of dismissal of the Atlantic Coast Con…

theclemsoninsider.com

 

[elimunelson]

Clemson Brief asks for Dismissal of ACC Case

CLEMSON — Clemson University filed a brief in support of a motion to dismiss in Mecklenburg County, N.C., on Monday requesting the court to support the motion of dismissal of the Atlantic Coast Con…

theclemsoninsider.com

part of me hopes that the court grants this so we can move to the exit and inevitable final boss of this reallignment. That's not in the best interest of the ACC but perhaps it is the best interest of college football completely falling apart before it is put back together again.

The lawyer in me, retired for 10 years, says not a chance in hell they grant this and shouldn't. But this is the south...

 

[HRE Otto IV]

part of me hopes that the court grants this so we can move to the exit and inevitable final boss of this reallignment. That's not in the best interest of the ACC but perhaps it is the best interest of college football completely falling apart before it is put back together again.

The lawyer in me, retired for 10 years, says not a chance in hell they grant this and shouldn't. But this is the south...

Unfortunately it will never really end. There will always be reason to add, subtract, or restructure conferences. The money will always be shifting what is important for a conference's makeup.

 

[elimunelson]

Unfortunately it will never really end. There will always be reason to add, subtract, or restructure conferences. The money will always be shifting what is important for a conference's makeup.

Agreed but I want it to be less about conferences and more about the schools and earning power. The BIG and SEC are made up of really crappy schools as well on a valuation basis. Syracuse is better than a fair amt of schools in both conferences if we're doing the pick sides of college football valuation. I want it to get to that point at this time. If we're fighting against every single school vs schools hanging on to a life raft in the BIG (hello Rutgers) we have a shot at being viable. I've changed my tune on this because the raw capitalism that has seeped into college sports overtly now demands that opinion IMO

 

[kcsu]

The greed and BS that Clemson and FSU are putting out makes me sick.

 

[baggerbob]

The greed and BS that Clemson and FSU are putting out makes me sick.

They'll both be crying when we win the ACC championship this year, and the automatic birth in the CFP.

 

[sufandu]

They'll both be crying when we win the ACC championship this year, and the automatic birth in the CFP.

And then we'll have reason to ask out of the GOR deal, right? I mean, it'll mean we're bigger than the league.

 

[Madbiker]

So much trouble from a school that's had one good season in 10 years.
This is all unnecessary. Eventually there will be one top tier conference with 48 teams and it will negotiate a CBA with the players. And the rest of the P5 teams left out will form a lower level league. I'm tired of it.

 

[Dinkyspond]

If Boston College gets AAU accreditation, Eagles will be favorite to join the Big Ten

Boston College is a favorite to land in the Big Ten if they were to get AAU accreditation -- should the ACC fold in the wake of FSU and Clemson's seemingly immi

flywareagle.com

don't know if this belongs in this thread. It does mention us going to the Big Ten too

 

[orlandoorange]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article288483185.html

 

[SUMBA]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article288483185.html

Well, that's not good.

 

[Newhouser]

Well, that's not good.

UNC is the least trustful member of the conference, and the biggest fraud. Painting the house once a year doesn't fix the foundation problems. School is so phony.

 

[sutomcat]

Well, that's not good.

Agree. My feeling is that anyone who hires a man named Bubba for anything other than making BBQ or possibly playing DL is going to regret that hire.

 

[cusefan88]

The sooner we can separate football from everything else the better.

 

[721Comstock]

The sooner we can separate football from everything else the better.

Agreed 1,444%.

Let the P-whatever football teams have their own mega national conference, with regional-ish subdivisions that actually make some sense.

And then all of the other sports can go back to regional conferences where the majority of their opponents are geographically “close” to each other.

 

[orlandoorange]

Agree. My feeling is that anyone who hires a man named Bubba for anything other than making BBQ or possibly playing DL is going to regret that hire.

Agreed. But there's about 7states that are driving all of this nonsense, and Bubba is accepted in 4 or 5 of them.

 

[DoctorBombay]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article288483185.html

The ACC is dead. All that's left is the postmortem.
I lost faith once the word "mediation" came into play in the court decisions. If they can't come to an agreement with the runaways, a court appointed "independent" mediator will be given the task to reach an arbitrary resolution.
That's it in a nutshell. It may take a minute to sort through it all, but the deed is done.

 

[HtownOrange]

The ACC is dead. All that's left is the postmortem.
I lost faith once the word "mediation" came into play in the court decisions. If they can't come to an agreement with the runaways, a court appointed "independent" mediator will be given the task to reach an arbitrary resolution.
That's it in a nutshell. It may take a minute to sort through it all, but the deed is done.

Mediation only means they have to try to talk. FSU has no resources to talk about settlement. Until FSU has a pile of cash, their talk means nothing.

Even a court cannot force the ACC to accept an horrible settlement because FSU cannot manage money.

Further, FSU will not likely make up the difference in a new conference. It is better for FSU to shut their AD's mouth and sit tight until the ACC GOR expires. Besides, by then the "haves" in the SEC will be clamoring for more bottom feeders or splitting up in one manner or another as there are more haves than have-nots.

The FSU AD is very short sighted and he expects the ACC to cave. There is no need for the ACC to cave.