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FSU vs The ACC

orangefog said:
Every idiot has an opinion. He doesn't understand the value the northeast brought to the conference via the way tv deals were constructed at the time.
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Ironically, these same idiots believe that South Carolina is an attractive new market for the B1G and will support double representation in the SEC. NY offers a 4-1 advantage as a market over SC. But let's not allows facts to get in the way of fanboy analysis.
 
Syracuse is an accretive addition to any league.
NYS has 20m people vs 5m in SC.
The 4-1 difference in viewers is even greater in NYS. Clemson is a brand that is actually starting to decline. They peaked a few years ago. I do not see them adding enough additional revenue to the SEC to warrant an invite. As to the Big I don't think on their own they move the needle.
I really don't see any reason why Clemson would want to leave the ACC for the SEC or the BIG as in the SEC they won't be able to compete on a regular basis and the Big 10 isn't a good fit.
This one makes zero sense to me.
 
Amazing how easily cast aside Syracuse is, the school that has found a way to give Clemson the most fight year in and year out. Boston College is given grace because he watched them play on TV in 1984. Duke and Syracuse are cast aside as “basketball first” schools, and Syracuse without concern because NY and the Northeast will never be college sports fans. Get rid of Georgia Tech because they have never won over Atlanta even though it’s not their fault. Somehow the private school can’t compete with the state school, like Vanderbilt and Tennessee, Duke and UNC, or perhaps even (in the future) Clemson and The University of South Carolina. So lacking in true perspective.
 
NJCuse97 said:
Amazing how easily cast aside Syracuse is, the school that has found a way to give Clemson the most fight year in and year out. Boston College is given grace because he watched them play on TV in 1984. Duke and Syracuse are cast aside as “basketball first” schools, and Syracuse without concern because NY and the Northeast will never be college sports fans. Get rid of Georgia Tech because they have never won over Atlanta even though it’s not their fault. Somehow the private school can’t compete with the state school, like Vanderbilt and Tennessee, Duke and UNC, or perhaps even (in the future) Clemson and The University of South Carolina. So lacking in true perspective.
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I thought the ACC was a 'basketball first' conference.
 
Throw out every ACC team that hasn’t won a football championship in the last 10 years.
 
SUNY Medical Center was originally part of SU, from 1871 until 1950, when the state bought it. It would take a lot to bring it back in, which seems unlikely, but it was part of SU long ago
 
kcsu said:
Syracuse is an accretive addition to any league.
NYS has 20m people vs 5m in SC.
The 4-1 difference in viewers is even greater in NYS. Clemson is a brand that is actually starting to decline. They peaked a few years ago. I do not see them adding enough additional revenue to the SEC to warrant an invite. As to the Big I don't think on their own they move the needle.
I really don't see any reason why Clemson would want to leave the ACC for the SEC or the BIG as in the SEC they won't be able to compete on a regular basis and the Big 10 isn't a good fit.
This one makes zero sense to me.
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It would be interesting to know just how many of those 20M in NYS actually give a rats arse about Syracuse? Is it 5M or even close to that figure for that matter? It's considerably doubtful. Syracuse University, with its relatively small private status, has the bulk/masses of its state residents, etc. attending SUNY schools or others. Additionally, because of same (small private) and not being a Flagship type as is Clemson or USC, etc., there isn't a state wide identity, loyality, etc. with SU as the aforementioned. Or, other states with similar type Flagship institutions that pique the interest of so many more of its citizens from a much more broadly/statewide standpoint, not to mention possessing the best interests, etc. of its state elected officials, etc.

Syracuse is unique in that the university bears the name of the city it resides in. And, because of same, its local/nearby residents, etc. that don't otherwise have any personal ties, connections, etc. to the school, clearly helps its generalized following considering it being the only game in town player of such. That being said, it still pales in comparison to the fevering statewide following/interest that the state/Flagship schools innately have.
 
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orangecuse said:
It would be interesting to know just how many of those 20M in NYS actually give a rats arse about Syracuse? Is it 5M or even close to that figure for that matter? It's considerably doubtful. Syracuse University, with its relatively small private status, has the bulk/masses of its state residents, etc. attending SUNY schools or others. Additionally, because of same (small private) and not being a Flagship type as is Clemson or USC, etc., there isn't a state wide identity, loyality, etc. with SU as the aforementioned. Or, other states with similar type Flagship institutions that pique the interest of so many more of its citizens from a much more broadly/statewide standpoint, not to mention possessing the best interests, etc. of its state elected officials, etc.

Syracuse is unique in that the university bears the name of the city it resides in. And, because of same, its local/nearby residents, etc. that don't otherwise have any personal ties, connections, etc. to the school, clearly helps its generalized following considering it being the only game in town player of such. That being said, it still pales in comparison to the fevering statewide following/interest that the state/Flagship schools innately have.
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Yes but that doesn’t matter when it comes to carrying it/broadcasting it

Because Syracuse is in NYS, ACCN gets “in state” pricing to the cable companies.

Which means the ACCN is accessed by all of those 20million people because of…….. Syracuse

The ACCN was able to penetrate the largest media market out there, NYC, due to Syracuse.

Fans from other teams may not find us “valuable” but they’re forgetting why we are beyond attractive to most if not all Power conferences

As long as we have a solid brand, we will be at the big boy table…
 
The third hearing in the FSU lawsuit against the ACC will be held tomorrow in Leon County. It starts at 9 AM. Could be some substantive news on the case soon.

www.tallahassee.com

Judge sets June date for third FSU vs ACC hearing in Leon County

Leon Circuit Judge John C Cooper has set a June 18 date for the third hearing in FSU's lawsuit against the ACC in Leon County.
www.tallahassee.com
 
JRHEETER said:
Yes but that doesn’t matter when it comes to carrying it/broadcasting it

Because Syracuse is in NYS, ACCN gets “in state” pricing to the cable companies.

Which means the ACCN is accessed by all of those 20million people because of…….. Syracuse

The ACCN was able to penetrate the largest media market out there, NYC, due to Syracuse.

Fans from other teams may not find us “valuable” but they’re forgetting why we are beyond attractive to most if not all Power conferences

As long as we have a solid brand, we will be at the big boy table…
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Of those 20 million, plenty of Duke, Stanford, UNC, UVA fans that get the ACCN because of Cuse too. As you said, they don't have to like us, to get value from us.
 
sutomcat said:
The third hearing in the FSU lawsuit against the ACC will be held tomorrow in Leon County. It starts at 9 AM. Could be some substantive news on the case soon.

www.tallahassee.com

Judge sets June date for third FSU vs ACC hearing in Leon County

Leon Circuit Judge John C Cooper has set a June 18 date for the third hearing in FSU's lawsuit against the ACC in Leon County.
www.tallahassee.com
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Will a live broadcast of the proceeding be available on Jefferson Pilot?
 
orangecuse said:
It would be interesting to know just how many of those 20M in NYS actually give a rats arse about Syracuse? Is it 5M or even close to that figure for that matter? It's considerably doubtful. Syracuse University, with its relatively small private status, has the bulk/masses of its state residents, etc. attending SUNY schools or others. Additionally, because of same (small private) and not being a Flagship type as is Clemson or USC, etc., there isn't a state wide identity, loyality, etc. with SU as the aforementioned. Or, other states with similar type Flagship institutions that pique the interest of so many more of its citizens from a much more broadly/statewide standpoint, not to mention possessing the best interests, etc. of its state elected officials, etc.

Syracuse is unique in that the university bears the name of the city it resides in. And, because of same, its local/nearby residents, etc. that don't otherwise have any personal ties, connections, etc. to the school, clearly helps its generalized following considering it being the only game in town player of such. That being said, it still pales in comparison to the fevering statewide following/interest that the state/Flagship schools innately have.
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But Clemson is the "small private". University of South Carolina is the flagship state school. Clemson is Syracuse with more recent football success, (28,500 enrollment for Clemson and 22,500 for Syracuse). No reason to think we can't be them. Clemson "stole" Federal funding and Morrill Land-Grant status from University of South Carolina due to it's stated focus on agricultural science (20 years after the establishment of SU). In that same vain, Cornell is the state land grant institution in NY. Syracuse did not apply although SUNY ESF would qualify as a basis. Seems that and the med school, who's building was cornerstone dedicated for SU by President FDR in 1936 also SUNY have hurt our status and access to state and federal funding.

Remarks at the Dedication of the Medical College, Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

You're right that we don't have the feverish following for our athletic programs and I think that additional state and federal funding would help make the school more accessible (and thereby more of a draw for NY enrollment and fandom) but we're not as different from Clemson as it may seem other than their recent success and ensuing fandom. I think we need to "re-acquire" those two schools to bring us into the academic big boy league. Heck, Archbold Stadium was once the largest concrete structure in the country.

Upon its completion in 1907, Archbold Stadium was touted as the "Greatest Athletic Arena in America". The stadium displaced Harvard Stadium as the largest concrete stadium in the nation.
That doesn't happen without fans.
 
NJCuse97 said:
But Clemson is the "small private". University of South Carolina is the flagship state school. Clemson is Syracuse with more recent football success, (28,500 enrollment for Clemson and 22,500 for Syracuse). No reason to think we can't be them. Clemson "stole" Federal funding and Morrill Land-Grant status from University of South Carolina due to it's stated focus on agricultural science (20 years after the establishment of SU). In that same vain, Cornell is the state land grant institution in NY. Syracuse did not apply although SUNY ESF would qualify as a basis. Seems that and the med school, who's building was cornerstone dedicated for SU by President FDR in 1936 also SUNY have hurt our status and access to state and federal funding.

Remarks at the Dedication of the Medical College, Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

You're right that we don't have the feverish following for our athletic programs and I think that additional state and federal funding would help make the school more accessible (and thereby more of a draw for NY enrollment and fandom) but we're not as different from Clemson as it may seem other than their recent success and ensuing fandom. I think we need to "re-acquire" those two schools to bring us into the academic big boy league. Heck, Archbold Stadium was once the largest concrete structure in the country.

Upon its completion in 1907, Archbold Stadium was touted as the "Greatest Athletic Arena in America". The stadium displaced Harvard Stadium as the largest concrete stadium in the nation.
That doesn't happen without fans.
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Tropicana Field says hold my beers.
 
orangecuse said:
It would be interesting to know just how many of those 20M in NYS actually give a rats arse about Syracuse? Is it 5M or even close to that figure for that matter? It's considerably doubtful. Syracuse University, with its relatively small private status, has the bulk/masses of its state residents, etc. attending SUNY schools or others. Additionally, because of same (small private) and not being a Flagship type as is Clemson or USC, etc., there isn't a state wide identity, loyality, etc. with SU as the aforementioned. Or, other states with similar type Flagship institutions that pique the interest of so many more of its citizens from a much more broadly/statewide standpoint, not to mention possessing the best interests, etc. of its state elected officials, etc.

Syracuse is unique in that the university bears the name of the city it resides in. And, because of same, its local/nearby residents, etc. that don't otherwise have any personal ties, connections, etc. to the school, clearly helps its generalized following considering it being the only game in town player of such. That being said, it still pales in comparison to the fevering statewide following/interest that the state/Flagship schools innately have.
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Not facing reality is what always means you will always fail to deal with reality in the best way. Dave Gavitt understood that you could form a basketball league of schools all located in northeastern states and cities and have it be Big Time in every sense: filled gyms, large TV audiences, lots of ranked teams, respect from national sports journalists of college athletics. But that was impossible for football and baseball.

For whatever sets of reasons, starting no later than the dawn off the 1960s, support for CFB by peoples living in the northeast began to wane. And the tide has never turned. For example, one of those guys who covers BC sports a lot wrote an article years ago about the divergences of Boston area media coverage of BD football in 1984, when Flutie won the Heisman, and 20007 when Matt Ryan was a Heisman candidate and BC played in the ACC Championship Game. In the early '80s, BC football was often on the front sports page of the Boston Globe and on Boston TV sports news even in mid-week. In 2007, BC got a slight fraction of the sports coverage it had gotten in 1984.

NYC media cares no more for Syracuse, but you do have Syracuse media interested in you.

That problem is quite harmful to any league with schools in the northeast when one of them is NOT PSU.
 
NJCuse97 said:
But Clemson is the "small private". University of South Carolina is the flagship state school. Clemson is Syracuse with more recent football success, (28,500 enrollment for Clemson and 22,500 for Syracuse). No reason to think we can't be them. Clemson "stole" Federal funding and Morrill Land-Grant status from University of South Carolina due to it's stated focus on agricultural science (20 years after the establishment of SU). In that same vain, Cornell is the state land grant institution in NY. Syracuse did not apply although SUNY ESF would qualify as a basis. Seems that and the med school, who's building was cornerstone dedicated for SU by President FDR in 1936 also SUNY have hurt our status and access to state and federal funding.

Remarks at the Dedication of the Medical College, Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

You're right that we don't have the feverish following for our athletic programs and I think that additional state and federal funding would help make the school more accessible (and thereby more of a draw for NY enrollment and fandom) but we're not as different from Clemson as it may seem other than their recent success and ensuing fandom. I think we need to "re-acquire" those two schools to bring us into the academic big boy league. Heck, Archbold Stadium was once the largest concrete structure in the country.

Upon its completion in 1907, Archbold Stadium was touted as the "Greatest Athletic Arena in America". The stadium displaced Harvard Stadium as the largest concrete stadium in the nation.
That doesn't happen without fans.
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Clemson is small and always has been more academically selective than SoCar, but it is the state Land Grant school - so one of two state research universities.
 
orangecuse said:
It would be interesting to know just how many of those 20M in NYS actually give a rats arse about Syracuse? Is it 5M or even close to that figure for that matter? It's considerably doubtful. Syracuse University, with its relatively small private status, has the bulk/masses of its state residents, etc. attending SUNY schools or others. Additionally, because of same (small private) and not being a Flagship type as is Clemson or USC, etc., there isn't a state wide identity, loyality, etc. with SU as the aforementioned. Or, other states with similar type Flagship institutions that pique the interest of so many more of its citizens from a much more broadly/statewide standpoint, not to mention possessing the best interests, etc. of its state elected officials, etc.

Syracuse is unique in that the university bears the name of the city it resides in. And, because of same, its local/nearby residents, etc. that don't otherwise have any personal ties, connections, etc. to the school, clearly helps its generalized following considering it being the only game in town player of such. That being said, it still pales in comparison to the fevering statewide following/interest that the state/Flagship schools innately have.
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its still about boxes like like Rutgers
 
WoadBlue said:
Not facing reality is what always means you will always fail to deal with reality in the best way. Dave Gavitt understood that you could form a basketball league of schools all located in northeastern states and cities and have it be Big Time in every sense: filled gyms, large TV audiences, lots of ranked teams, respect from national sports journalists of college athletics. But that was impossible for football and baseball.

For whatever sets of reasons, starting no later than the dawn off the 1960s, support for CFB by peoples living in the northeast began to wane. And the tide has never turned. For example, one of those guys who covers BC sports a lot wrote an article years ago about the divergences of Boston area media coverage of BD football in 1984, when Flutie won the Heisman, and 20007 when Matt Ryan was a Heisman candidate and BC played in the ACC Championship Game. In the early '80s, BC football was often on the front sports page of the Boston Globe and on Boston TV sports news even in mid-week. In 2007, BC got a slight fraction of the sports coverage it had gotten in 1984.

NYC media cares no more for Syracuse, but you do have Syracuse media interested in you.

That problem is quite harmful to any league with schools in the northeast when one of them is NOT PSU.
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Syracuse doesn’t need NYC media to care for it

They just need them to care for the ACC or whatever conference they’re in, in the future

When it comes down to it, streaming or not, cable companies/live streaming companies are charged less for that ACCN due to Syracuse being in NYS

Don’t think there is another school out there, besides Buffalo or Army, in NYS that could get the lower rates for NYS in a conference

That’s why Syracuse will likely always be in a power conference, whether they specifically draw a lot of eyeballs
 
JRHEETER said:
Syracuse doesn’t need NYC media to care for it

They just need them to care for the ACC or whatever conference they’re in, in the future

When it comes down to it, streaming or not, cable companies/live streaming companies are charged less for that ACCN due to Syracuse being in NYS

Don’t think there is another school out there, besides Buffalo or Army, in NYS that could get the lower rates for NYS in a conference

That’s why Syracuse will likely always be in a power conference, whether they specifically draw a lot of eyeballs
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Do media companies sell states or DMAs?
 
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