Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[texascpa]

what does anyone know about Turner Construction? That's a bit of news that we haven't heard yet

I know they are a huge, huge construction company. Heck, I see them on major construction projects here in Houston all of the time.

 

[texascpa]

I'm guessing we're getting lots of neon. Hopefully orange and not silver.

 

[texascpa]

Turner is also the company that renovated Clemson's stadium.

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/e...-university-memorial-stadium-suite-renovation

 

[texascpa]

Looking through their website, they've remodeled a ton of college stadiums. No wonder they won the bid.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Can you imagine the view of orange lit glass stadium coming around the bend on 81N just before you get into the city? Someone with photoshop skills should reimage the US Bank Stadium and post it

 

[TexanMark]

doesn't that cover services though? I can see the city wanting some of the revenue generated from events at the dome if the are going to increase exponentially. I think this is why the university stopped doing major concerts there a while ago although I may be misremembering that.

Joanie will be happy to cut a deal if Miner implodes.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Joanie will be happy to cut a deal if Miner implodes.

I know many people don't like Miner but I think she's had a pretty good relationship with the university during her time in office. Speaking of Joanie, I wonder if Cuomo is going to come up with any extra funds for this project

 

[CuseLegacy]

Free Article

October 28, 2015

Major Dome Renovations Underway?
Scott Brown
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A few weeks ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . received information pertaining to the options that Syracuse University was weighing when it came to what the venue for future events would be. The source who indicated that Syracuse was considering a slew of changes, asked that the information be kept until after the board considered the options in November. However, with Syracuse.com reporting on the issue and leaking some of the information, it seems as if now is as good a time as ever to fill our members in on some privy inside information.

According to the source, the university is highly considering keeping the main sports arena on campus and remodeling and renovating the Carrier Dome. From what we gather, the bidding process for the project is underway as we speak and could range in the upper hundred million dollar range with a projection between $400 and $500 million dollars. Syracuse, which has been considering moving the venue to a downtown location, seems to have cooled on that idea and is now looking towards retaining an on campus dome.

From what we have heard, the university is looking to make the Carrier Dome more modern and aesthetically pleasing from the outside, and one of the most modern facilities on the inside. Below is a beginners list of what could possibly be on the table when the board reviews the options in November.

• Three of the sides of the Dome would be expanded:
  
  On the east side, Archbold Gymnasium would become attached to the current structure and renovated to include new basketball courts and other sports features as well as a "museum" to honor the rich tradition and history of Syracuse University Athletics.
  
  To the north, the Dome would eliminate Crouse Dr. and would expand into the Faulk College of Sport and Human Dynamics where new additions are to be made.
  
  To the west, the Dome will push out to Irving Ave where a 6 to 8 story hotel and parking garage would be attached to the dome, much like the Rogers Center in Toronto. It is unknown if the rooms will overlook the field or not.

• The south side of the dome will become larger as well to keep the symmetry, but also to expand the concourse and allow for the renovation of new concession stands (which is a point of emphasis with the expansion of the three other sides as well). This will not affect SUNY ESF in any way.

• The locker rooms are to be expanded, renovated, and updated.

• The roof would look less like a big balloon and more like a solid, metal structure. Again, modeled perhaps after Lucas Oil Stadium, windows around the outside of the roof will allow natural sunlight to enter the stadium. The idea of having the roof retract is still on the table but to a much smaller scale.

• Luxury boxes are to be renovated and more added.

• Seating is to be changed, reconfigured, and more added.

• The stadium would have both a football field and a basketball court permanently built. The basketball court would be "stored away" during football games but moved mechanically to lie over the football field when needed. The entire process would be automated including the moving of the seating for basketball games.

• Whether or not the new Carrier Dome will be equipped with air conditioning is not known at this time.
  
  The process would begin as soon as the basketball season ended and would most likely continue beyond the start of the 2016 football season creating numerous problems. One of the biggest is what Syracuse will do for their home games? Bussing the team to Ralph Wilson stadium in Buffalo seems to make the most sense if the scheduling can match. MetLife Stadium shouldn't be off the table for consideration and it would seem as if the University of Buffalo's Stadium is too small (at 29,000 capacity). There will certainly be many avenues explored to make the situation the best that it can be. Whatever the decision, the athletic department is sure to meet backlash from the fans. In the long run, the changes that are on the table are exactly what the aging concrete structure needs to make Syracuse a more inviting venue for recruits, players, and fans from all over.

Looks like some of this is coming to fruition.

 

[TheCusian]

chris carlson ‏@ccarlsononSU 11h11 hours ago Sala referenced U.S. Bank Stadium (Vikings) twice while referencing roof. So that's your best place to look for idea of what is coming.

Def not a dome

 

[jr4750]

Turner is also the company that renovated Clemson's stadium.

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/e...-university-memorial-stadium-suite-renovation

My kingdom for those orange chairs. Around 45k of them would be a fantastic sight to be hold.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Anyone have an idea as to when the university brass is going to hold a press event with design and details? Or is this going to come out in dribs and drabs, with occasional commentary from Pete Sala?

I love what the university proposes, I think, but I'm not particularly crazy about the way the announcement has been handled.

 

[Toga]

Def not a dome

Would be real interesting to see the language in Carrier naming agreement. For instance, does it say Carrier Dome or does it refer to it more generically as "the facility". Not an attorney but, perhaps to state the obvious, if it's the former it would seem to give us an additional leg to stand on.

 

[reedny]

Would be real interesting to see the language in Carrier naming agreement. For instance, does it say Carrier Dome or does it refer to it more generically as "the facility". Not an attorney but, perhaps to state the obvious, if it's the former it would seem to give us an additional leg to stand on.

Until we get a decent offer, it's the ______ Dome.

 

[javadoc]

Would be real interesting to see the language in Carrier naming agreement. For instance, does it say Carrier Dome or does it refer to it more generically as "the facility". Not an attorney but, perhaps to state the obvious, if it's the former it would seem to give us an additional leg to stand on.

It's a naming gift, not a rights agreement. Is there any precedence anywhere for revoking a naming gift?

 

[TheCusian]

Would be real interesting to see the language in Carrier naming agreement. For instance, does it say Carrier Dome or does it refer to it more generically as "the facility". Not an attorney but, perhaps to state the obvious, if it's the former it would seem to give us an additional leg to stand on.

Makes you wonder. When I think "dome" I think rounder roof, "pillow like" - not giant triangular sloped roof. Wegman's Stadium? Some Big Bank Stadium?

 

[reedny]

Free Article

October 28, 2015

Major Dome Renovations Underway?
Scott Brown
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



A few weeks ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . received information pertaining to the options that Syracuse University was weighing when it came to what the venue for future events would be. The source who indicated that Syracuse was considering a slew of changes, asked that the information be kept until after the board considered the options in November. However, with Syracuse.com reporting on the issue and leaking some of the information, it seems as if now is as good a time as ever to fill our members in on some privy inside information.

According to the source, the university is highly considering keeping the main sports arena on campus and remodeling and renovating the Carrier Dome. From what we gather, the bidding process for the project is underway as we speak and could range in the upper hundred million dollar range with a projection between $400 and $500 million dollars. Syracuse, which has been considering moving the venue to a downtown location, seems to have cooled on that idea and is now looking towards retaining an on campus dome.

From what we have heard, the university is looking to make the Carrier Dome more modern and aesthetically pleasing from the outside, and one of the most modern facilities on the inside. Below is a beginners list of what could possibly be on the table when the board reviews the options in November.

• Three of the sides of the Dome would be expanded:
  
  On the east side, Archbold Gymnasium would become attached to the current structure and renovated to include new basketball courts and other sports features as well as a "museum" to honor the rich tradition and history of Syracuse University Athletics.
  
  To the north, the Dome would eliminate Crouse Dr. and would expand into the Faulk College of Sport and Human Dynamics where new additions are to be made.
  
  To the west, the Dome will push out to Irving Ave where a 6 to 8 story hotel and parking garage would be attached to the dome, much like the Rogers Center in Toronto. It is unknown if the rooms will overlook the field or not.

• The south side of the dome will become larger as well to keep the symmetry, but also to expand the concourse and allow for the renovation of new concession stands (which is a point of emphasis with the expansion of the three other sides as well). This will not affect SUNY ESF in any way.

• The locker rooms are to be expanded, renovated, and updated.

• The roof would look less like a big balloon and more like a solid, metal structure. Again, modeled perhaps after Lucas Oil Stadium, windows around the outside of the roof will allow natural sunlight to enter the stadium. The idea of having the roof retract is still on the table but to a much smaller scale.

• Luxury boxes are to be renovated and more added.

• Seating is to be changed, reconfigured, and more added.

• The stadium would have both a football field and a basketball court permanently built. The basketball court would be "stored away" during football games but moved mechanically to lie over the football field when needed. The entire process would be automated including the moving of the seating for basketball games.

• Whether or not the new Carrier Dome will be equipped with air conditioning is not known at this time.
  
  The process would begin as soon as the basketball season ended and would most likely continue beyond the start of the 2016 football season creating numerous problems. One of the biggest is what Syracuse will do for their home games? Bussing the team to Ralph Wilson stadium in Buffalo seems to make the most sense if the scheduling can match. MetLife Stadium shouldn't be off the table for consideration and it would seem as if the University of Buffalo's Stadium is too small (at 29,000 capacity). There will certainly be many avenues explored to make the situation the best that it can be. Whatever the decision, the athletic department is sure to meet backlash from the fans. In the long run, the changes that are on the table are exactly what the aging concrete structure needs to make Syracuse a more inviting venue for recruits, players, and fans from all over.

Looks like some of this is coming to fruition.

Wild guess: the costs on the improvements announced yesterday are going to go up like the -35.

 

[TheCusian]

Until we get a decent offer, it's the ______ Dome.

Or ________ Stadium.

Holding "Ernie Davis Legends Field" and "Jim Boeheim Court"

 

[Toga]

Wild guess: the costs on the improvements announced yesterday are going to go up like the -35.

So when an organization like SU announces estimated project costs - are those the straight construction costs or do the projections include things like contingencies, A&E fees, legal fees, interim interest, other?

 

[TheCusian]

It's a naming gift, not a rights agreement. Is there any precedence anywhere for revoking a naming gift?

If you gave a gift to have a park named after you and the park became a plaza...

 

[upperdeck]

So when an organization like SU announces estimated project costs - are those the straight construction costs or do the projections include things like contingencies, A&E fees, legal fees, interim interest, other?

our project budgest include all those costs up front just to initiate funding

 

[CarolinaCuse]

The scope of the renovation (potentially connecting the Dome to Arch and Faulk) reminds me a bit of Notre Dame's Campus Crossroads Project. There is an obvious benefit to making the Dome a more year-round hub. Plus, there would be some financial impacts related to capital improvement costs.

 

[retro44]

I know I worked on Turner projects in the past,but can't seem to place where other than knowing I walked into a gate with their name on a banner.To me the one who writes your paycheck is easier to remember than a manager. I am guessing it was a powerhouse or refinery....

http://www.turner-industries.com/what-we-do/

FWIW.....Companies make their real money on extras and rework with renos....The price goes way up and they can hold Syracuse hostage and settle the charges after the infighting.

 

[Toga]

I know I worked on Turner projects in the past,but can't seem to place where other than knowing I walked into a gate with their name on a banner.To me the one who writes your paycheck is easier to remember than a manager. I am guessing it was a powerhouse or refinery...

http://www.turner-industries.com/what-we-do/

FWIW...Companies make their real money on extras and rework with renos...The price goes way up and they can hold Syracuse hostage and settle the charges after the infighting.

When I worked on several large health care projects with Turner - they were known as a design-build firm. Would design-build (not sure if applicable here) serve to mitigate that problem?

 

[CuseLegacy]

I know I worked on Turner projects in the past,but can't seem to place where other than knowing I walked into a gate with their name on a banner.To me the one who writes your paycheck is easier to remember than a manager. I am guessing it was a powerhouse or refinery...

http://www.turner-industries.com/what-we-do/

FWIW...Companies make their real money on extras and rework with renos...The price goes way up and they can hold Syracuse hostage and settle the charges after the infighting.

That is a different company.

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/

 

[reedny]

So when an organization like SU announces estimated project costs - are those the straight construction costs or do the projections include things like contingencies, A&E fees, legal fees, interim interest, other?

I wasn't at the BOT meeting. But my guess is that the 255M is a construction cost estimate. Not sure if A/E is included in that. There will probably be a contract with Turner and Turner will sub out what it can't do itself -- but would expect that Turner has its own design and engineering staff since it's done so many large-scale projects.