Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[Whitey23]

The new roof will be considerably higher than the old one but will be hard, so I expect it will be better at reflecting noise, rather than absorbing it. Should make for a louder venue.

Imagine the sound of thousands of keys jiggling together in unison dancing off the new roof.

 

[Toga]

Sala did not want to discuss the naming rights contract. Well that's a start.

 

[GoSU96]

Haven't seen a mention of the locker room situation.

 

[ssmorol]

I'm a little surprised to hear the comment about the roof ring. Not sure that's accurate, but it's not condemning us to tight concourses even if it is true - changing the roof technology will allow SU to do some new things outside the building envelope that the need to keep a tightly-sealed building prevented them from doing before.

I can see them using the current roof ring up and out on one side (like an overhang towards the quad?) sloping down the roof ring on the other side. By going up and out on one side (or maybe both?) would allow expansion of the corridors out to where the new roof ends, perhaps with glass walls as they talked about integration with the quad and being able to see inside.

 

[FrancoPizza]

IThe roof engineering and expanding the width of the concourse will be hard part and where most of the money goes.

The more I think about it, wouldn't the width of the concourses have to be expanded under any change proposal - just to be compliant with modern fire codes and accessibility standards? I've always felt the concourses at halftime to be a fire disaster waiting to happen.

 

[jr4750]

Haven't seen a mention of the locker room situation.

Or capacity seating changes. Unless I missed it.

 

[xc84]

It's what happens when a buyer goes into a project without a solid set of requirements and/or is not equipped to handle change management properly.

A reputable contractor that has done a lot of stadium renovations is not going to get the benefit of the doubt on "oops" in a bid.

But if SU is squishy on the requirements and asks for bunch of changes during the course of the project, they deserve what they get.

This isn't that complicated a project. The roof engineering and expanding the width of the concourse will be hard part and where most of the money goes, but the list of things being changed doesn't appear to be long.

I think SU has had a pretty good track record with projects being on time and on budget ...and with good results. Original dome, Melo Center, and Football IPF come to mind.

 

[Toga]

Or capacity seating changes. Unless I missed it.

One early report indicated increased seating (by which I took to mean capacity). I doubt that's right.

 

[xc84]

The more I think about it, wouldn't the width of the concourses have to be expanded under any change proposal - just to be compliant with modern fire codes and accessibility standards? I've always felt the concourses at halftime to be a fire disaster waiting to happen.

They could have outer corridors and inner corridors which would be able to move more people than the current config. Outer would be outside the current footprint.

 

[OttoMets]

I think SU has had a pretty good track record with projects being on time and on budget ...and with good results. Original dome, Melo Center, and Football IPF come to mind.

It was fun in summer 2012 when Chancy Nancy had the granite stairs in front of the Hall of Languages replaced. It was supposed to be finished before the students returned, but somehow the replacement of about a dozen stairs wasn't done until after the last football game in November. Having all those fans coming up University and dead-ending at that small construction site was such a ridiculous hassle.

On a non-snarky note, regarding the concourses: there's a lot of air-handling equipment (and HVAC/communications stuff) in there right now that won't be there when this job is completed. There's a good deal of space within the existing building footprint, when the concourses are gutted and old technologies are replaced, a lot of space will be freed up.

 

[sutomcat]

Or capacity seating changes. Unless I missed it.

Sala definitely said there were plans to change the seating on the lower level (though it seems just about like everything is still not finalized).

I think going to individual seats on the upper level is a problem because they did not include room for chair backs in the 300 sections like they did on the lower level. If they include chair backs, I think anyone over 5'10 is going to be miserable. If they want to go to individual seats, they might have to forgo seat backs, or replace the existing concrete sections completely.

I think they want to keep the size of the roof as small as possible to hold down expenses, hence the need to retain the original roof ring.

There might be 30 feet from the exterior walls to the roof ring all around the perimeter of the dome. The load bearing columns will continue to be under the roof ring and the new exterior walls will be held up by less hefty columns along the perimeter?

Weird.

 

[ssmorol]

Interesting post on the Populous website regarding ETFE roofs.
http://populous.com/posts/the-fantastic-plastic-roof-cladding-system/

 

[rrlbees]

Sala definitely said there were plans to change the seating on the lower level (though it seems just about like everything is still not finalized).

I think going to individual seats on the upper level is a problem because they did not include room for chair backs in the 300 sections like they did on the lower level. If they include chair backs, I think anyone over 5'10 is going to be miserable. If they want to go to individual seats, they might have to forgo seat backs, or replace the existing concrete sections completely.

I think they want to keep the size of the roof as small as possible to hold down expenses, hence the need to retain the original roof ring.

There might be 30 feet from the exterior walls to the roof ring all around the perimeter of the dome. The load bearing columns will continue to be under the roof ring and the new exterior walls will be held up by less hefty columns along the perimeter?

Weird.

The big question is, will those air ducts up top of the 3rd level be removed/replaced? They served multiple purposes.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[TexanMark]

The big question is, will those air ducts up top of the 3rd level be removed/replaced? They served multiple purposes.

I remember them opening all of them at once 30 mins after the free beer and beans night.

 

[All4SU]

For those who would like a more comprehensive look at the Vikings stadium.

http://www.vikings.com/stadium/new-stadium/webcam.html

Wait, where is all of the parking encircling the venue? How can Vikings fans possibly tailgate there? Oh the humanity!

 

[DoubleDee]

I think going to individual seats on the upper level is a problem because they did not include room for chair backs in the 300 sections like they did on the lower level. If they include chair backs, I think anyone over 5'10 is going to be miserable. If they want to go to individual seats, they might have to forgo seat backs, or replace the existing concrete sections completely.

I have often wondered about this...

The pitch upstairs is very different than the lower level. And the benches upstairs are mounted level with the concrete and to the face of it, versus downstairs they are mounted atop the concrete. Unfortunately leaving you no place to put your drink or garbage bag with you coats.

300 level for life!!

 

[Toga]

Interesting post on the Populous website regarding ETFE roofs.
http://populous.com/posts/the-fantastic-plastic-roof-cladding-system/

I freaking love ETFE! It's so cool. We could have a grass field if we want.

 

[PhatOrange]

I have often wondered about this...

The pitch upstairs is very different than the lower level. And the benches upstairs are mounted level with the concrete and to the face of it, versus downstairs they are mounted atop the concrete. Unfortunately leaving you no place to put your drink or garbage bag with you coats.

300 level for life!!

They could build right over the top of the concrete on the uppers.

 

[PhatOrange]

Luxury boxes ringing the top of the stadium is what i heard months ago from inside and would still seem to be in play. those aluminum ducts are gonzo. putting a new fixed roof on the top allows for all of this.

just guessing here but I see a whole new structural steel shell being built on the outside around the existing concrete columns. this supports the new roof and widens the whole place.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I freaking love ETFE! It's so cool. We could have a grass field if we want.

I see ETFE and I keep reading it as "effete".

 

[FrancoPizza]

Luxury boxes ringing the top of the stadium is what i heard months ago from inside and would still seem to be in play. those aluminum ducts are gonzo. putting a new structural roof on the top allows for all of this.

just guessing here but I see a whole new structural steel shell being built on the outside around the existing concrete columns. this supports the new roof and widens the whole place.

That somewhat contradicts Pete saying the shell will be supported by existing columns.

 

[KellySyracuse]

One early report indicated increased seating (by which I took to mean capacity). I doubt that's right.

maybe increased seating for basketball

 

[NJCuse97]

I wasn't at the BOT meeting. But my guess is that the 255M is a construction cost estimate. Not sure if A/E is included in that. There will probably be a contract with Turner and Turner will sub out what it can't do itself -- but would expect that Turner has its own design and engineering staff since it's done so many large-scale projects.

Turner is not a design firm and will have little design impact/input. They may have been retained as the CM, but more likely they were retained to provide pricing and feasibility on the initial concepts. It is possible they are on board or will be on board as CM moving forward, and it is possible they are part of an IPD or design assist proposal that would be intended to speed up the process. These are often seen as a means to controlling cost. They are more money typically at first, but better protect against project overages by making the CM a part of the early team, and holding them responsible for their scope earlier. They would probably have phasing, staging, and constructability input. They may also have suggestions and sway on products and design through early buy out of long lead items. Populous is likely the design firm, at least for the roof. The bowl and interior could become a second parallel project for a second firm (this may even be why it was split into two $100million projects instead of one $200million). There were two firms that did BC Centre, one for the field and interior and another for the roof. Saw tooth is typically seen in industrial buildings and is often used in art facilities and museums (see Shafer Art Building) to maximize but control light. The clear "windows" face north to take in even light that is not direct light. The south face is often opaque, to block out the direct light, controlling things like glare, direct blinding sun, and shadows. This also helps control heat gain from sun. The IPF is a variant on a saw tooth.

 

[Yegorange]

I don't remember games being too hot on a regular basis except maybe one early game a year.

Whew. You may say I'm a sweater, but I'm not the only one. No idea about significance or sample size of Axe's poll, but as of now A/C is 3rd with about 14%.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/inde..._see_most.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index